Summary

  • Keir Starmer and Rishi Sunak have again clashed over cuts to winter fuel payments at Prime Minister's Questions

  • Sunak says Starmer is "taking money away" from 10 million pensioners, starting with those on incomes of £13,000

  • In response, Starmer accuses Sunak and the previous government of leaving a "£22bn black hole" in public finances

  • The government is cutting the payment - worth at least £200 - for around 10 million pensioners, although people on certain benefits will still get it

  • MPs approved the plan last night, with one Labour MP, Jon Trickett, not supporting the government - another 52 MPs had no vote recorded

  • Was that a Labour rebellion or a case of "nothing to see here"? Read our political editor Chris Mason's take here

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Sunak presses Starmer on winter fuel payment cuts

  1. PM repeats £22bn 'black hole' criticism of Toriespublished at 12:10 British Summer Time 11 September

    Starmer

    Starmer replies by highlighting what he describes as a £22bn economic black hole left by the previous government.

    "Of course when it comes to mitigations and impacts we put them in place," he says of the winter fuel payment cuts.

    He says tough decisions being made means an increase in pensions will "outstrip any loss of payment."

    He asks Sunak to apologise for the "black hole".

  2. Sunak returns to winter fuel row for second weekpublished at 12:08 British Summer Time 11 September

    Chris Mason
    Political editor

    Straight away, we are back into the big domestic argument of the week — the Winter Fuel Payment.

    Last week Rishi Sunak ran with it as a topic. And he’s doing it again.

    Media caption,

    Sunak presses Starmer on winter fuel payment cuts

  3. Sunak presses PM on winter fuel payment cutspublished at 12:07 British Summer Time 11 September

    Tory leader Rishi Sunak begins by echoing the prime minister's best wishes for the Princess of Wales after an update on her recovery from cancer.

    That done, he then kicks off PMQs by attacking Starmer on the winter fuel payment cut, and asks whether the PM will publish an impact assessment of that policy.

  4. PMQs beginspublished at 12:01 British Summer Time 11 September

    Prime Minister Keir Starmer is on his feet and this week's Prime Minister's Questions is under way.

    We're expecting to hear questions on the prisoners' early release scheme and the withdrawal of the winter fuel payment.

    Stay with us and we'll keep you updated. You can follow the session live by pressing Watch live at the top of the page.

  5. Starmer could also face pressure on early-release prisonerspublished at 11:57 British Summer Time 11 September

    Former prisoners pictured walking carrying their belongingsImage source, EPA-EFE/REX/Shutterstock

    It was a busy day yesterday. As well as the winter fuel payment vote, hundreds of inmates left prisons in England and Wales as part of the government's early release scheme aimed at freeing up capacity.

    How many prisoners were released?

    Around 1,700.

    What kind of offenders?

    Offenders in jails in England and Wales serving sentences of fewer than five years were released on licence into the community after having served 40% of their sentences, instead of 50%.

    The government said offenders jailed for violent offences with sentences of at least four years, sex offenders and domestic abusers were not eligible for early release.

    Keir Starmer may well come under pressure for the policy when PMQs starts in two minutes' time.

  6. Watch: Budget will require 'difficult decisions' - Chancellorpublished at 11:49 British Summer Time 11 September

    As we mentioned earlier, Chancellor Rachel Reeves has defended her government's position on cutting the winter fuel payment, and warns of more "difficult decisions" to come.

    Watch the video above to hear what she told our economics editor Faisal Islam this morning.

  7. Winter fuel payment can be a matter of life and death - Trickettpublished at 11:25 British Summer Time 11 September

    Jon Trickett in Thornes Park Athletics Stadium
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    Jon Trickett voted for the winter fuel payment back in 1997

    As we mentioned earlier, Jon Trickett is the only Labour MP who voted against the government yesterday.

    The MP for Normanton and Hemsworth served as a shadow cabinet member during Jeremy Corbyn's leadership, and has been a Member of Parliament since 1996 (he was elected in a by-election).

    In a post on X, formerly Twitter, he says removing the winter fuel payment will push many more into poverty. He also accuses energy companies of continuing "obscene profiteering".

    "We know that the consequences of pensioner poverty are devastating. It can even be a matter of life and death."

    The government, he says, should try to raise revenues from the wealthiest - rather than "working class pensioners".

    "I will sleep well tonight knowing that I voted to defend my constituents," he concludes.

  8. BBC Verify

    Will pensions increase make up for loss of winter fuel payments?published at 11:04 British Summer Time 11 September

    Keir StarmerImage source, Jeff Overs/ BBC

    By Gerry Georgieva and Anthony Reuben

    BBC Verify has been looking at some of the claims made about the cut to winter fuel payments.

    Quote Message

    What I can guarantee for the state pension is that the increase under this government will outstrip any reduction in the winter fuel payment."

    Sir Keir Starmer said this on the BBC’s Sunday with Laura Kuenssberg programme.

    On Tuesday, the Office for National Statistics published the latest average earnings figures, external, which showed annual growth of 4%.

    That is the figure that will be used to set the increase in the state pension, which means the full state pension will go up by £460 a year.

    As the winter fuel payment is either £200 or £300, the prime minister is right that the increase in the state pension will generally be more than that.

    But there are a couple of problems with his claim - the first of which is that the state pension will not rise until April and the £460 will be spread over the following year.

    Winter fuel payments, on the other hand, are usually made in November or December.

    The other problem is that the increase in the state pension is meant to help pensioners with the rising cost of living as a whole - not just coping with the loss of winter fuel payments.

  9. Analysis

    A Labour rebellion - or 'nothing to see here'?published at 10:32 British Summer Time 11 September

    Chris Mason
    Political editor

    Westminster is a perpetually noisy place and so it should be - a crucible of argument and disagreement.

    But it is my job to interpret those decibels - not all noise is equal - so what should we read into the fact that around 50 Labour MPs found better things to do with their time than turn up in the voting lobbies and back their party on the winter fuel payment vote?

    Labour folk afterwards were very quick to point out that 50-ish absentees on their side was broadly typical in votes since the election. In other words, went the claim, nothing to see here.

    They let it be known that just 12 of the 50-something had had what was described as an "unauthorised absence".

    As we just reported, there can be many reasons why people don't vote - being on government or parliamentary business elsewhere, attending a hospital appointment or whatever.

    The vast majority of those who didn’t vote, Labour claimed, had, as they saw it, a legitimate reason not to, rather than defying the government.

    But my colleague Harry Farley has been doing some cross-checking.

    He has found around 20 Labour MPs who had previously publicly opposed the policy and who did not vote for it.

    Rather more than 12.

  10. How did your MP vote yesterday?published at 10:24 British Summer Time 11 September

    Yesterday, MPs approved the plan to cut winter fuel payments by 348 to 228 votes. You can see how your MP voted here.

    In total, 52 MPs had no vote recorded, including some ministers. While some will have abstained as a political gesture, some may have been absent for other reasons.

    Labour MP Bell Ribeiro-Addy, for example, said she missed the vote for family reasons, although she added: "If I were able to attend in person, I would vote against these cuts."

    Only one Labour MP voted against the government - Jon Trickett. We'll have more on him later. And it's worth adding that five independent MPs who were recently suspended from the Labour Party also voted against the government - John McDonnell, Apsana Begum, Richard Burgon, Ian Byrne and Zarah Sultana.

  11. Budget means 'difficult decisions' says Reeves, as she defends winter fuel cutpublished at 10:20 British Summer Time 11 September

    Rachel Reeves

    Before today's session in the Commons, Chancellor Rachel Reeves spoke to our economics editor Faisal Islam.

    She accepts next month's Budget will require "difficult decisions on tax, on spending, and on welfare". But the rewards, she says, will be "economic growth, good jobs paying decent wages in all parts of our country".

    When pressed about the cuts in winter fuel payments, Reeves says it wasn't a decision the government wanted to make "but in the circumstances that we faced, they were the right decisions to get our public finances back on a firmer footing".

    She also pointed to the annual increase in the state pension - we'll have more on that, and if it makes up for the winter fuel payment cuts, later.

  12. Another tricky day for Keir Starmerpublished at 10:13 British Summer Time 11 September

    Ali Abbas Ahmadi
    Live reporter

    Hello and welcome to our live coverage of Prime Minister's Questions, which starts at 12:00 BST.

    It comes after the government won a vote in Parliament yesterday to scrap the winter fuel payment for millions of pensioners (more on that to come).

    This is only Starmer's third PMQs since he became prime minister in July - although he has faced his opposite number, Rishi Sunak, several times when their roles were reversed.

    Stay with us for all the breaking news, analysis, and clips - and remember you can watch PMQs live from 12:00 at the top of the page.