Summary

  • Scottish Labour leader Anas Sarwar and Scottish Conservative leader Douglas Ross were quizzed by Martin Geissler on BBC Scotland's The Sunday Show

  • Sarwar said it was "nonsense" to talk about Labour securing a "super majority" in the general election

  • He added that having a "grown up conversation" about immigration and the "broken asylum system" was needed. Sarwar acknowledged that legal migration was too high

  • Ross said that aspects of the Conservative campaign - including the alleged betting scandal - have been "very difficult" but voters on the doorsteps were telling him that they were "so annoyed" with the SNP in government in Scotland

  • He added that tackling immigration was important and the Rwanda scheme to deport asylum seekers was just beginning and was acting as a deterrent

  • During the past four weeks Scotland's political leaders have taken part in individual interviews and live audience debates

  • This is the penultimate weekend in which parties will be on the campaign trail

  • Voters go to the polls on Thursday, 4 July

  1. World less secure than a decade ago, Sarwar sayspublished at 10:52 British Summer Time 23 June

    PutinImage source, Getty Images
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    Putin's invasion of Ukraine has made the world a less secure place, according to Anas Sarwar

    National security is the first priority of any government, Sarwar says.

    He points to Putin's invasion of Ukraine as an example of how the world is less secure than it was a decade ago.

    Sarwar points to this as a justification for increasing defence spending.

    His party wants to spend an extra £20bn a year by the end of the next parliament.

  2. Sarwar asked about two-child cappublished at 10:50 British Summer Time 23 June

    Asked about his party's plan not to ditch the two-child cap, which limits the amount of benefits that can be claimed for third and subsequent children in a family, Sarwar says his party has only made promises it will be able to deliver.

    He says his party has only made spending commitments if they know where the money will come from to deliver them.

    He adds that this is not the height of Labour's ambition, but hopes they will be able to scrap the cap when public finances allow.

  3. Sarwar quizzed about plans to tax private schoolspublished at 10:47 British Summer Time 23 June

    Sarwar is asked about how many children may move from private schools into state schools if his party's plans to add tax to private schools fees - and use the funds to recruit teachers for state schools - go ahead.

    He says this will provide an immediate cash injection into state schools, which is very much needed.

    "I genuinely believe that it will balance itself out," Sarwar adds.

  4. Sarwar: 40% of hip and knee replacements carried out privately in Scotlandpublished at 10:44 British Summer Time 23 June

    The Scottish Labour leader is asked about the challenges faced by the NHS.

    A total of 40% of hip and knee replacements in Scotland are carried out privately because people cannot wait for the NHS, Sarwar says.

    We have to buy up space in the private sector if we can, Sarwar says, but we also have to encourage NHS consultants to do more work for the NHS.

  5. Sarwar says net migration is too highpublished at 10:43 British Summer Time 23 June

    Martin Geissler turns to immigration and asks how Sarwar feels about Keir Starmer saying too many people are coming into the country.

    The Scottish Labour says net migration across the UK is too high.

    He argues that there's a "fundamental breakdown between our skills system and our migration system".

    Sarwar stresses the importance of people coming to Scotland to work in the social care system.

    Martin Geissler plays a clip of Starmer saying the country is "recruiting too many people from overseas into, for example, the health service."

    The Scottish Labour leader insists there is a skills shortage and migrants are needed, but says the answer is upskilling the workforce here in Scotland

  6. Where will GB Energy have its HQ?published at 10:35 British Summer Time 23 June

    Sarwar emphasises the importance of planning and changing the system.

    Martin Geissler asks what the figure is for improving the national grid.

    The Scottish Labour leader says there is no shortage of private investors who will help to improve the grid.

    He says having government skin in the game, will attract even more private investment.

    We have to upgrade the grid in six years by the same amount we've upgraded it over the last 50 years, Sarwar says.

    This will cost tens of billions of pounds.

    GB Energy will have its HQ in Scotland although Sarwar has not revealed its location.

  7. Sarwar on GB Energypublished at 10:31 British Summer Time 23 June

    Anas Sarwar

    Anas Sarwar turns to his party's proposal for GB Energy.

    The Scottish Labour leader his party will make the investments in onshore and offshore wind, in the turbines that generate energy that will produce a profit.

    The fruits of that profit will stay here in Scotland and the UK, which will help down people's bills, he says.

    Sarwar says people understand GB Energy will be backed up by the Treasury.

  8. The interview with Sarwar beginspublished at 10:26 British Summer Time 23 June

    Martin Geissler gets the interview with Anas Sarwar under way by asking what the point of voting Labour is in this election.

    The Scottish Labour leader replies every vote for his party is a vote to get rid of the Tories.

    Sarwar points out that in 11 days time the Tories can be gone.

  9. Who is Anas Sarwar?published at 10:25 British Summer Time 23 June

    Scottish Labour leader Anas SarwarImage source, Getty Images
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    Scottish Labour leader Anas Sarwar

    As Anas Sarwar's interview begins, here's a bit of background on the man with the top job in Scottish Labour.

    He became a member of the Scottish Labour party at the age of 16, but politics was already in his blood.

    His dad, Mohammad Sarwar, was the UK's first Muslim MP and held the Glasgow Central seat for Labour between 1997 and 2010 - until his son Anas succeeded him.

    Graduating from Glasgow University, Mr Sarwar worked as a dentist in Paisley for five years prior to becoming a MP.

    He was the Glasgow Central MP from 2010 to 2015.

    After the Glasgow Central seat was won by the SNP's Alison Thewliss in the 2015 general election, Mr Sarwar turned his attention to Holyrood and was elected a list MSP for Glasgow in 2016.

    In 2017, he ran against Richard Leonard for the leadership and lost.

    He ran again, and won, in 2021.

  10. Key points: John Swinney's interview with Laura Kuenssbergpublished at 10:21 British Summer Time 23 June

    John Swinney

    Appearing on Sunday with Laura Kuenssberg, the SNP leader and Scotland's First Minister John Swinney said:

    • He has been assured by staff that no parliamentary stamps have been used on the election campaign, in response to allegations his party used stamps paid for with public money for campaign purposes.
    • He acknowledges the party has faced "a tough time" and his job is to "rebuild trust" between the SNP and people of Scotland.
    • On independence, Swinney says the "deeply democratic question" is "in the hands of the Scottish people" which the UK government should allow to be put into effect.
    • He added: "We cannot allow the Westminster political parties to deny the people of Scotland their democratic rights and their democratic opportunity to decide their own constitutional future."

    You can read more from the interview here.

  11. What's in the parties' manifestos?published at 10:17 British Summer Time 23 June

    Scottish Labour launched its manifesto for the general election last week, saying it provided an opportunity to deliver change “for this generation and the next”.

    Leader Anas Sarwar said the party would prioritise economic stability and growing the economy.

    The manifesto promises to cut NHS waiting times and fund 160,000 additional appointments every year in Scotland.

    The party says its proposals will mean a pay rise for more than 200,000 people in Scotland.

    The manifesto also includes plans for the energy sector, help for first-time house buyers and steps to raise educational standards.

    The Scottish Conservatives will launch their manifesto tomorrow.

    We will cover the launch with a live page here on the BBC Scotland website.

    In the meantime, you can compare what different parties' policies are using our comparison tool linked below.

  12. And we are live...published at 10:16 British Summer Time 23 June

    A little bit later than usual, this week’s The Sunday Show is now on air.

    Remember, you can hit play at the top of this page to watch - it’s also live on BBC One Scotland and Radio Scotland.

    And we’ll bring you live text updates, reaction and analysis right here.

  13. Sunday Show will begin at 10:15 todaypublished at 10:00 British Summer Time 23 June

    This morning's The Sunday Show will begin at the later time of 10:15.

    That's because the Laura Kuenssberg programme has been extended by 15 minutes.

    She's beginning an interview of SNP leader and Scotland's First Minister John Swinney.

    You can follow the interview here.

  14. What do the latest polls tell us?published at 09:58 British Summer Time 23 June

    The polls are a survey of people's intended vote when the 4 July election rolls around.

    So, when we say Labour is ahead of the Conservatives by 21 points, we mean 21% more people say they intend to vote Labour over those who say they will vote Conservative.

    Because polls don't survey everyone in the country, it would be wrong to say they indicate exactly how an election will play out.

    But, it can be useful to give a sense of how public opinion is trending.

    You can check the tracker here.

  15. When is the election?published at 09:53 British Summer Time 23 June

    The next general election will take place on Thursday 4 July.

    The UK is divided into 650 areas, called constituencies, and each of these elects one MP to represent local residents at Westminster.

    Scotland will elect 57 MPs.

    This time, you will have to present a valid form of photo ID at the polling station before casting your vote.

    You can follow all the latest election news on the BBC Scotland website.

  16. What are the other parties doing today?published at 09:42 British Summer Time 23 June

    We'll hear on the programme this morning from the Scottish Conservatives and Scottish Labour.

    The SNP leader John Swinney earlier appeared on the Laura Kuenssberg programme. You can catch up on what he said here.

    The Scottish Lib Dems say their leader Alex Cole-Hamilton will be out on the campaign trail this afternoon, with the message that his party can win in "huge swathes" of Scotland.

  17. Good morningpublished at 09:42 British Summer Time 23 June

    Good morning and welcome to our live coverage of The Sunday Show.

    This week we have Scottish Conservative leader Douglas Ross and Scottish Labour leader Anas Sarwar facing questions from Martin Geissler.

    You can watch or listen by pressing the play icons at the top of this page.

    The programme is on BBC One Scotland from 10:00 until 11:00, then continues on Radio Scotland until 12:00.