Labour campaign chief on winter fuel allowancepublished at 12:27 British Summer Time 19 May 2017
Labour's campaign chief Andrew Gwynne is on the Daily Politics and is quizzed about the party's opposition to means-testing the winter fuel allowance
He argues that the "progressive" way of dealing with the winter fuel allowance is for everyone to get it, but the rich to pay more through their tax.
He raises something that Mr McDonnell has mentioned - that many pensioners do not claim pension credit. Mr McDonnell says the 19-page form that has to be filled in puts people off.