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Damian Green and John McDonnell are now sat side by side on the studio sofa.

The former is asked if he could be in line to be chancellor after the election. "Philip Hammond is doing a great job," he replies.

Mr Green then attacks Mr McDonnell over his promise not to borrow but to issue bonds.

"They are how governments borrow," says the work and pensions secretary.

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Onto Labour's broad tax, spend and borrowing plans. Andrew Marr says they all depend on a certain rate of economic growth - so what is that?

In reply, John McDonnell holds up Labour's analysis of its policy pledges and contrasts it with that of the Conservatives.

"I don't think there's a pound sign anywhere in their manifesto," he says.

Can you give us a figure? "It is cost neutral," says Mr McDonnell. "I've put forward a programme that is cost neutral."

Andrew Marr isn't satisfied with that, but the shadow chancellor says the independent Office for Budget Responsibility backs him up, that for every pound invested by the state, a pound is generated in GDP.

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Labour has earmarked £11bn to scrap tuition fees, something many people feel benefits middle-class families more.

Mr McDonnell say tuition fees hits "aspiring working classes" too so it's right to do away with them.

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Is Labour going to unfreeze benefits?

John McDonnell says "in effect" that will happen as a result of the various changes his party will bring in.

He doesn't just say "yes" to the question - something Andrew Marr notes several times.

In reply, the shadow chancellor says "people know how strongly I feel about this" and his first Budget would "address this issue".

"I want to do it as part of an overall reform package, not just pick off bits."

Now John McDonnell is in the hot seat. He says Labour would "get back to the Dilnot proposals" - the product of an independent review of care funding under David Cameron - which included a cap on the total amount any person could be required to pay.

Mr McDonnell says the idea behind Dilnot was to "pool the risk" of an individual's care across society as a whole and Labour subscribes to that.

"The concept of we're all in this together".

Mr McDonnell thinks "we've all been let down" by the Tory plans.

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People hate this policy, is there any chance you're going to look at it again, Andrew Marr asks.

"No... we have set out this policy, we're not going to look at it again, Damian Greens says.

"There will be a Green Paper covering social care and health coming out in the summer."

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Damian Green says £100,000 is "a reasonable inheritance" - that's the maximum amount of a person's assets that can be left untouched when someone is asked to pay for care.

He says "intergenerational fairness" is one of the biggest issues facing this country and the only other way to pay for the care system is via working taxpayers.

Mr Green vehemently disagrees with the idea that the social care plans amount to a massive stealth inheritance tax.

What can be done to get young people to engage in politics and what difference could their votes make in Wales?

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Now on those controversial social care plans. It'll be "a better system", Damian Green insists, than the previous one under David Cameron - even though the total amount a person could be required to pay will go up.

Andrew Marr comes up with a hypothetical example of a woman with dementia whom he says will be pay £70,000 more.

Damian Green says he assumes that figure is based on "some heroic assumptions". He insists the individual won't pay anything - "the estate will" - and she won't face the "terrible decision" of selling the family home to pay for her care.

"It's a much fairer system," he argues.

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"We as a country will decide what that is in a proper consultation," says the work and pensions secretary when pushed again on who will lose the fuel payments.

Damian Green cites people like Mick Jagger who'll no longer get a winter fuel payment - but what about ordinary people, he's asked.

He says the Tories will consult on the level of income at which to set the cap.

But people need to know before they vote, Andrew Marr says.

"They should know that if they are in genuine need of the winter fuel payment, they will still get it," Damian Green replies.

"That's the way a grown-up government will operate."

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Where does the extra £8bn promised for the NHS come from?

A lot of it is re-targeted money, says Damian Green. He gives the example of plans to cut winter fuel payments which will be "re-targeted" at those parts of the NHS and social care that really need it.

"It's not uncosted. We haven't said we are going to spend x million... we're saying the money we're going to save would be better spent on the social care system."

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Now it's Work and Pensions Secretary Damian Green who is up.

He is showed a Conservative attack document criticising Labour's policies - something he says "exposes the Labour manifesto as a charade".

Asked why the Tory manifesto doesn't have every costing worked out, Mr Green says his party doesn't make unfunded promises.

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"Thank you Natalie," Paul Nuttall ends with a chuckle. That's a nod to him getting Leanne Wood's name wrong in last week's ITV debate.

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Paul Nuttall says UKIP doesn't want to "pull up the drawbridge" and his immigration plan would be phased in over five years to reduce its impact.

On warnings that the policy would harm the economy, Mr Nuttall says the measure of a country comes down to more than just economics - "social cohesion" is important too.

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"We're knocking on doors, we're out campaigning, the response is great," says UKIP's Paul Nuttall.

He discusses his plan for a "one in, one out" immigration plan - "balanced migration", as he calls it.

He says it would go alongside a points-based system to allow "people with the skills we need to come here".

"We cannot carry on down the road we're on," he adds.