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Live Reporting

Edited by Nichola Rutherford

All times stated are UK

  1. Our coverage for today is ending

    Thank you for joining us for our coverage today, we will resume on Monday afternoon where the focus turns to planning for a pandemic in Wales.

  2. Covid-19 Inquiry - the headlines

    The text coverage of the inquiry has now concluded. If you're just joining us, here's a quick recap of today at the UK Covid-19 Inquiry:

    • Former First Minister Nicola Sturgeon told the inquiry that Scotland's planning for a pandemic was hampered by preparation for a no-deal Brexit
    • Sturgeon said the Scottish government had "no choice" but to put efforts into the possibility of a no-deal on Brexit and away from other planning
    • The former first minister said every form of Brexit was a "false economy", but was chided by Hugo Keith KC saying she was in a witness box and not a soap box
    • Sturgeon began her evidence by admitting that while officials did their best to do the right thing, mistakes were made
    • She agreed that a UK Influenza Pandemic Preparedness Strategy – produced in 2011 following the swine flu outbreak two years before – was inadequate to deal with Covid-19
    • But she suggested that a lack of contact tracing and testing capability was more important to Scotland's response to the Covid crisis
    • Scotland's former Deputy First Minister John Swinney then said possible threats - whether that be on winter weather or pandemic flu - kept him awake at night
    • Catherine Frances, the director general for local government, resilience and communities in the UK government's Department for Levelling Up, Housing and Communities, started giving her evidence after Swinney
    • Sir Jeremy Farrar, a member of the Sage group of scientists who advised the government on Covid-19, had been the first person to appear in the witness box on Thursday morning

    Thank you for joining us. You can continue to watch the inquiry by clicking on the play icon.

  3. UK government official Catherine Frances will now give evidence

    Catherine Frances

    That also concludes the text coverage we are providing for today.

    You can continue to watch the inquiry with us, just click on the play icon at the top of our page.

    Catherine Frances, the director general for local government, resilience and communities in the UK government's department for Levelling Up, Housing and Communities, will now give evidence.

  4. Did Public Health Scotland have enough of a budget?

    We turn now to questions from Claire Mitchell KC from Scottish Covid Bereaved, who now asks for comments on the evidence given by Dr Jim McMenamin from Public Health Scotland to the inquiry.

    Mitchell asks if Swinney accepts McMenamin's evidence that Public Health Scotland did not have the budget or staffing levels to provide health protection for Scotland, pre-pandemic.

    The deputy first minister insists there was a strength in the information available for decision making, but he does accept there were financial pressures.

    Austerity has caused very challenging fiscal conditions, he says,

    However the health budget grew to a greater extent than any other part of budget, he adds.

    That concludes the evidence from John Swinney.

  5. Covid inquiry: The UK pandemic in numbers

    Covid deaths

    As the Covid-19 virus spread, government agencies increasingly published figures on case numbers, hospitalisations and deaths.

    To follow alongside the inquiry, the BBC's data team has broken down some of these statistics into key areas from the beginning of the pandemic up to 5 May 2023, when the World Health Organisation declared an end to the virus as a "global health emergency".

    Read more here.

  6. Swinney troubled by claims disabled people not considered in emergency planning

    John Swinney says one of the big problems of government is that it operates within individual compartments.

    The SNP MSP says the Scotltish Leaders Forum was created to try to formulate a common direction of travel.

    He explains there were routine conversations with the third sector and it had an ability to influence service delivery at a local level.

    Kate Blackwell KC, counsel to the inquiry, says Inclusion Scotland have said disabilities were not factored in to emergency planning.

    The former deputy first minister replies he was troubled by the contents of the Inclusion Scotland submission.

    He reiterates the government put in efforts to try and ensure the third sector had a voice.

    "That can and should be rectified by the Scottish government."

  7. Relationship between Scottish and UK governments 'generally pretty poor'

    Boris Johnson shaking hands with Nicola Sturgeon
    Image caption: Former Prime Minister, Boris Johnson, meets former First Minister, Nicola Sturgeon at Bute House in 2019

    Kate Blackwell KC, counsel to the inquiry, begins the afternoon evidence session by asking John Swinney about intergovernmental relations.

    The former deputy first minister says there was a pretty good amount of co-operation between the Scottish and UK governments in an emergency.

    However "generally relationships were pretty poor" partly due to the prospect of a no-deal Brexit, he explains.

  8. John Swinney resumes evidence session

    Former deputy first minister John Swinney will now continue giving evidence to the Covid-19 Inquiry.

    Later in the afternoon the inquiry will hear from Catherine Frances, the director general for local government, resilience and communities in the UK government's department for Levelling Up, Housing and Communities.

  9. Covid-19 Inquiry - the headlines

    If you're just joining us, here's a quick recap of this morning at the UK Covid-19 Inquiry:

    • Former First Minister Nicola Sturgeon told the inquiry that Scotland's planning for a pandemic was hampered by preparation for a no-deal Brexit
    • Sturgeon said the Scottish government had "no choice" but to put efforts into the possibility of a no-deal on Brexit and away from other planning
    • The former first minister said every form of Brexit was a "false economy", but was chided by Hugo Keith KC saying she was in a witness box and not a soap box
    • The former first minister began her evidence by admitting that while officials did their best to do the right thing, mistakes were made
    • Scotland's former Deputy First Minister John Swinney then said possible threats - whether that be on winter weather or pandemic flu - kept him awake night
    • Swinney will continue to give evidence from 13:45.
    • Earlier Sir Jeremy Farrar, a member of the Sage group of scientists who advised the government on Covid-19, gave evidence
    • Finally this afternoon Catherine Frances, the director general for local government, resilience and communities in the UK government's Department for Levelling Up, Housing and Communities, will give evidence

    Join us again at 13:45 for further updates and analysis of John Swinney's evidence.

  10. Break for lunch

    There will now be a break for lunch.

    The inquiry will get under way again at 13:45.

  11. How did Covid affect Scotland?

    Masked person walking past covid posters in Glasgow
    Image caption: Over 50% of Scots had Covid-19 between September 2020 and February 2022.

    While we continue to keep across John Swinney's evidence to the UK Covid Inquiry, let's remind ourselves of the impact the pandemic had on Scotland.

    According to the Office for National Statistics, an estimated 2.7million people in Scotland had Covid-19 between 22 September 2020 and 11 February 2022.

    This represents 51.5% of the population.

    Since the first reported death on 13 March 2020, more than 12,500 people in Scotland died with coronavirus.

    Here are the stories of some of those who have lost their lives.

  12. Swinney 'not aware' of plans to update strategy

    The conversation moves on to the UK influenza Pandemic Preparedness Strategy and if it should have been updated since 2011.

    Swinney says he was not specifically aware of plans to update the plan.

  13. Should pandemic planning have been UK-wide?

    Swinney is asked about “pragmatic co-operation” between the Scottish and UK governments in terms of preparation.

    “Examples of that would be collaboration around some of the expert advice that was available”, he says, before saying organisations from Scotland would interact with groups like Sage.

    John Swinney

    He goes on to say there would co-operation around some aspects of procurement of items like PPE and goes on to say there was no value in Scotland taking a “different process”.

    He is then asked if pandemic planning should have been UK-wide.

    “I would say that, yes” Swinney responds.

  14. 'These issues have kept me awake at night'

    Back to the testimony from the former deputy first minister and Swinney tells the inquiry structures were developed which involved the creation of a Scottish Resilience Partnership with a range of organisations participating.

    There were a number of resilience issues that had arisen since 2010.

    "These issues have kept me awake at night," admits the former deputy first minister.

  15. Sturgeon's response to questions from Scottish Covid Bereaved

    Before her evidence concluded, Sturgeon took a few questions from Aamer Anwar, acting on behalf of Scottish Covid Bereaved group.

    He presents some findings from the joint expert report prepared for the inquiry and asks if she accepts the analysis also applies to the Scottish government’s planning – she says “broadly” she would.

    Anwar goes on to ask what extent the Scottish government carry out an equalities and human rights assessment of its plan.

    Sturgeon says the government does carry out different impact assessment both in the preparedness and the response phase.

    He then asks to what extent the plans would work with protected characteristics such as age and race, Sturgeon says this was part of the assessment which was carried out routinely.

    And that concludes Sturgeon’s evidence.

  16. 'Resilience has got to be everybody's business' - Swinney

    John Swinney giving evidence at the inquiry

    John Swinney expresses his sympathy to everyone affected by Covid and adds a thank you to all who worked to combat the virus.

    The former deputy first minister explains it was his role to ensure Scotland had in place effective resilience measures.

    "Resilience has got to be everybody's business," he explains.

    "Life was always pretty hectic, to be honest," says Swinney with a wry smile.

  17. Analysis

    Sturgeon says every aspect of Brexit was a false economy

    Andrew Kerr

    Scottish political correspondent

    Brexit reared its head again at the Covid Inquiry – as it did on Tuesday and Wednesday.

    Yesterday, the former Scottish health secretary Jeane Freeman said that resources were diverted away from pandemic planning to prepare for a possible no-deal exit from the EU.

    Today, the former first minister repeated that.

    There was huge concern about a chaotic departure from the EU – hitting food and medicine supplies.

    Counsel to the Inquiry questioned if this was a false economy?

    Ms Sturgeon said every aspect of Brexit was a false economy – but was chided by Hugo Keith KC, saying she was in a witness box and not a soap box.

    Nevertheless, it’s been an important feature in pandemic preparation – although the former UK Health Secretary Matt Hancock said planning for a no-deal Brexit meant the UK had a plentiful supply of intensive care medicine.

  18. It's now the turn of John Swinney to give evidence

    John Swinney
    Image caption: John Swinney arrives at Dorland House in London for the UK Covid-19 inquiry

    That concludes the evidence session with Nicola Sturgeon.

    It's now the turn of her former deputy first minister John Swinney and he is sworn in.

  19. Recommendations from pandemic advisory group

    Sturgeon is asked about the Standing Committee on Pandemic Preparedness - an advisory group to the Scottish government - and if it’s already issued a report with recommendations.

    She responds by talking about the three interim recommendations: proposing a centre for pandemic preparedness, another related to data and analytics infrastructure and a third on how to build scientific advisory networks throughout the UK and beyond.

  20. Questions from the Scottish Covid Bereaved group

    Lead Counsel Hugo Keith KC has now finished questioning Nicola Sturgeon.

    Final questions are from Aamer Anwar who is representing a core participant of the inquiry: Scottish Covid Bereaved.