Summary

  • BBC Radio London's Eddie Nestor spoke to 13 young people about their experiences with knife crime

  1. There's no fear of the consequences for carrying knifepublished at 11:21 Greenwich Mean Time 23 November 2023

    Omar in east London tells BBC Radio London the discussion from young people was "horrible" to listen to.

    "There's a lots of fights that have been happening on Snapchat, Instagram... what's happening for you to leave the house with a knife," he asks Eddie.

    He questions whether young people don't have enough fear of the consequences for carrying a knife, adding that a lack of family structure "is a problem nowadays".

  2. Watch: What to do if someone is stabbedpublished at 11:07 Greenwich Mean Time 23 November 2023

    About 13,503 knife crime incidents were recorded in the capital between July 2022 and June 2023, a 21% increase on the previous 12-month period.

    To try to curb the life-changing, or even life-ending injuries, that are commonplace with stab victims, a group of young healthcare volunteers are training young people with first aid skills.

    We asked Katie Murray from Street Doctors to put together a guide so that anyone coming across a stab victim could potentially save their life.

  3. 'Centre the experience of young people'published at 11:06 Greenwich Mean Time 23 November 2023

    Earlier today, Lib Peck, director of London's Violence Reduction Unit (VRU), told BBC Radio London: "We can't really enforce our way out of this and that we really needed to be looking at prevention.

    "If we're serious about looking how to prevent violence, which I think is absolutely entirely possible, we've got to centre it around the experience of young people."

  4. Knife wands offered to all London secondary schoolspublished at 11:01 Greenwich Mean Time 23 November 2023

    In October, Sadiq Khan said schools in London could ask the Met Police for knife wands to screen for weapons on school premises.

    The metal-detecting wands were first offered to schools in 2017 as part of a Knife Crime Strategy launched by the mayor.

    The announcement followed the fatal stabbings of Elianne Andam, 15, in Croydon and Taye Faik, 16 in Enfield.

  5. Watch: 'We're treating children in blood-soaked uniform'published at 11:01 Greenwich Mean Time 23 November 2023

    Students are being shown dramatised scenes of a stabbing in a project about the long-term impacts of knife crime.

    The SHARP Project is encouraging 11 to 14 year olds to reflect on how their lives could be permanently changed if they are the victim or attacker.

  6. Your calls about youth knife crimepublished at 11:01 Greenwich Mean Time 23 November 2023

    The debate has now finished.

    We'll now hear from callers to Eddie's show about youth knife crime.

    Call 0800 731 2000

    Email – eddie@bbc.co.uk

  7. 'We need more inspirational leaders in the community'published at 11:00 Greenwich Mean Time 23 November 2023

    Marcus

    Marcus says he wants to see more inspirational leaders in the community.

    "I've seen children that want to be a roadman and I go and I tell them my life story and how I do films," he says.

    "The journey of a child is about inspiring, and if you're not in an environment where you can be inspired, you're going to always be in the same system."

    He adds that showing a safer, better way of living, could inspire people.

  8. 'People have been talking about this for years now'published at 10:59 Greenwich Mean Time 23 November 2023

    Kara

    Kara tells the group she does not think there will ever be a solution to knife crime.

    "School, government, youth clubs, mentors - this has already been going on. People have been talking about this for years now and nothing's happened.

    "I think you need to lose something that's meaningful to be able to then finally realise 'what am I doing?'" she says.

  9. 'Increase jail time for carrying a knife'published at 10:58 Greenwich Mean Time 23 November 2023

    Charlotte thinks there needs to be longer prison sentences for people caught carrying a knife.

    She tells Eddie the punishment is currently "100%" too light.

    "The difference between carrying it and using it is a good 20 years," she says. "To some people, four years is nothing."

    Tilisha supports her suggestion, adding that people could come out of prison early for good behaviour, and may reoffend when they leave.

  10. 'Give them somewhere they can go after school'published at 10:56 Greenwich Mean Time 23 November 2023

    Joseph says there are a lack of places where young people can go after school.

    He thinks there should therefore be more establishments which teenagers can go to.

    Earlier this week, BBC London heard from Dr Maryam Alfa-Wali, a consultant trauma surgeon in London, who said they regularly see young people come in with stab wounds after school has finished for the day.

  11. 'We should connect better with police officers'published at 10:56 Greenwich Mean Time 23 November 2023

    From left: Niquel, Jamaine, Keira
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    From left: Niquel, Jamaine, Keira

    Niquel explains how he works with the organisation Elevated Minds, which connects young black people with police officers in London.

    "There's a large contingent of people in today's generation that feel like the police are useless," the 17-year-old says.

    "I can see why because there have been stories about police officers failing to do what many people believe is their job, but organisations like the one I'm part of give children the chance to actually speak to police officers."

  12. 'Young people need opportunities'published at 10:55 Greenwich Mean Time 23 November 2023

    Joseph tells the debate he wants young people to be given the chance to "see a way out".

    "Give me opportunities. Tell me what's up there," he says.

    "There's some young people out here that haven't got dads around, they've got to now find the right people."

  13. 'A boy was stabbed in my school'published at 10:53 Greenwich Mean Time 23 November 2023

    Cordell

    Cordell says his school became more strict after a pupil was stabbed on the premises.

    "We was in the ICT room with my friend and he had a knife in his pencil case and I remember he must have poked my friend and it went through his chest," he tells Eddie.

    "From that, the school got stricter because there was a stabbing in the school."

    He says as a result the school introduced new measures such as introducing metal detectors, while pupils "would get searched on entry".

    "It just got worse and worse," he says.

  14. 'People turn knives into a joke'published at 10:52 Greenwich Mean Time 23 November 2023

    Kara says in her school canteen, some pupils take the paper knives from the cutlery station.

    "They'll go around and play jokey games with all their friends with it," she tells Eddie.

  15. 'We need schools for children who are misunderstood'published at 10:48 Greenwich Mean Time 23 November 2023

    Heaven tells the debate pupils who are excluded and placed together are "stuck at the bottom" while others go on to succeed.

    The 17-year-old believes those who are excluded need places "where they can go and have actually better opportunities".

    "Build schools for children who are misunderstood, because at the end of the day that's what they are," he says.

  16. 'Young people need more mentors'published at 10:46 Greenwich Mean Time 23 November 2023

    Nicole says that young people need more mentors when they are at school or college.

    She tells Eddie: "Sometimes there's certain things you can't say to your parents that you would want to say to your mentor.

    "There's some things that I wouldn't want to put on my mum, but I can give it to someone who's getting paid to do that and is OK to listen."

  17. 'There needs to be a focus on communication'published at 10:42 Greenwich Mean Time 23 November 2023

    Selorm says it's easy to "point fingers" at parents and teachers, but their focus should be on speaking to children rather than enforcement.

    "A parent and a child should communicate," the 20-year-old says. "Once you enforce something, things can explode very easily.

    "Communicating between different generations is the best way forward. Whether that's at the table, in the church, or with other family members, that creates a stronger relationship between parent and child and more space to be heard."

  18. 'Parents should search their children's bags'published at 10:40 Greenwich Mean Time 23 November 2023

    Joseph

    Joseph, 18, believes parents should regularly search their children's bags for knives after they turn 11.

    "Their mum and dad should be checking their bags, checking what's in their bag, see where they're going, what friends you're around," he says.

    When questioned by Eddie about personal freedoms, Joseph says parents should be able to check their children's' bedrooms and create curfews.

  19. 'Young people need to be listened to'published at 10:37 Greenwich Mean Time 23 November 2023

    Tegan says the people who are "more likely to get involved in knife crime" are not being listened to.

    The 14-year-old says those who are most at risk of committing crimes need to be "part of the conversation" to find solutions.

  20. 'I want to see fewer students in a classroom'published at 10:35 Greenwich Mean Time 23 November 2023

    Marcus, 20, begins by saying he would like to see fewer students in the classroom, so that each pupil receives more support and attention from their teacher.

    "In secondary school, you're in a classroom of maybe 30 students and sometimes you're not the brightest student," he says.

    "When teachers say that you're not going to make it, or you're not going to do anything for yourself... it does make you feel outcast."

    He says this feeling of being an outsider can lead people down a wrong path.