'A bureaucracy bonanza?'published at 12:20 British Summer Time 9 June 2020
Jim Allister of the TUV (below) is concerned about the new management and advisory boards and three-monthly plans.
"Has it not got the feel of a bureaucracy bonanza?" he asks.
The minister says he thinks his plan moves away from bureaucracy.
Gerry Carroll of People Before Profit asks for assurances that any transformation will not mean "a whittling down or privatisation of our already-existing health services".
"I can give you that assurance," says Mr Swann.