Summary

  • Department of Infrastructure officials were questioned on financial assistance for bus and coach operators due to coronavirus

  • Officials gave a presentation on the Executive Office's spending plans

  • Junior ministers Gary Middleton and Declan Kearney appeared before the Executive Office Committee

  1. That's all for todaypublished at 17:42 Greenwich Mean Time 24 February 2021

    Stormont

    Committee chair Colin McGrath thanks the junior ministers.

    He takes the members through some more committee business before adjourning the meeting.

    That's all from Stormont for today.

    We'll be back at 09:30 tomorrow with live coverage of the Health Committee, including an update on the Covid vaccination programme.

    Do join us then. And in the meantime, have a great evening.

  2. 'Project fear has become Project fact'published at 17:40 Greenwich Mean Time 24 February 2021

    Martina AndersonImage source, NI Assembly

    Martina Anderson of Sinn Féin says that people who opposed Brexit were accused of "Project Fear and of scaremongering, and unfortunately it has become Project fact".

    "There was going to be a harder border somewhere on the island of Ireland after being dragged out of the EU," she says.

    "I'm very mindful that we have a grace period that we can't waste," the Foyle MLA adds.

  3. Businesses 'reasonably satisfied'published at 17:31 Greenwich Mean Time 24 February 2021

    Trevor LunnImage source, Ni Assembly

    Independent MLA Trevor Lunn refers to a recent Manufacturing NI survey of business attitudes.

    He says it suggests that "over half are at least reasonably satisfied by the way things have panned out and some of them are making good progress".

  4. 'Quite a ridiculous position'published at 17:09 Greenwich Mean Time 24 February 2021

    Doug BeattieImage source, NI Assembly

    The UUP's Doug Beattie notes that "about 15% of the point of entry certificates in the EU "goes between Great Britain and Northern Ireland yet we account for less that 1% of the trade".

    He wants to know if the EU is applying its rules more strictly on the route between Great Britain and Northern Ireland.

    "It does seem quite a ridiculous position," says Junior Minister Gary Middleton.

  5. Delays to the 'common frameworks'published at 16:52 Greenwich Mean Time 24 February 2021

    Declan KearneyImage source, NI Assembly

    Colin McGrath asks Mr Kearney about reports that delays in setting up the 26 common frameworks, external as part of the Brexit process are being caused by The Executive Office.

    The frameworks were intended to ensure that coherent approaches to regulation were maintained across the UK at the end of the transition period.

    Junior Minister Kearney says the joint ministers were asked to confirm 25 frameworks.

    He says there is "a hazard" that the British, Scottish and Welsh governments may adopt three-country frameworks "rather than taking a four-administration approach".

  6. 'We are committed to working together'published at 16:46 Greenwich Mean Time 24 February 2021

    Gary MiddletonImage source, NI Assembly

    The DUP's Gary Middleton is making his first appearance in front of the committee since his recent appointment as junior minister.

    Mr Middleton acknowledges the parties' differences over the Protocol.

    However, he adds: "We are committed to working together to get the best outcome for our citizens and for our businesses as well".

  7. Junior ministers' Brexit briefingpublished at 16:12 Greenwich Mean Time 24 February 2021

    EU and UK flagsImage source, Reuters

    Colin McGrath thanks the witnesses and moves on to the next item on the agenda.

    It's a briefing from Junior Ministers Declan Kearney and Gary Middleton on Brexit issues.

    Mr Kearney starts the briefing, unfortunately his video isn't working properly.

    He says there have been a number of significant developments, including the appointment of Gary Middleton as junior minister replacing Gordon Lyons.

    He says the emphasis since 31 December has been "very much on operational readiness".

    Mr Kearney accepts that there have been differences over the Protocol.

    He says there needs to be "clarity and support to work through issues as they emerge".

  8. NIO 'seems pretty immovable' on funding for Troubles' pensionpublished at 16:07 Greenwich Mean Time 24 February 2021

    Christopher StalfordImage source, NI Assembly

    Also on the question of who's going to pay for the Troubles' pension, the DUP's Christopher Stalford says it's clear from what the secretary of state has been saying that the Northern Ireland Office "seemed pretty immovable on this subject".

    Dr Browne says discussion on this matter "are still ongoing".

    He says his ministers' view is that "there were significant decisions that were made by the secretary of state which, in turn, have implications for costs" and that a full business case was not prepared.

  9. Lump sum payments?published at 15:40 Greenwich Mean Time 24 February 2021

    Pat SheehanImage source, Ni Assembly

    Pat Sheehan sticks with the victims' pension scheme.

    "What would the funding implications be in the first three to four years if people decided to take lump sums?" the Sinn Féin MLA asks.

    Dr Browne explains how claimants can get payments backdated if they apply promptly.

    "It is likely that a significant proportion of the costs will occur in the first period," he says.

    "In terms of the costs, broadly around that we're talking in the matter of several hundred millions pounds," the official adds.

  10. Troubles' pension scheme under scrutinypublished at 15:33 Greenwich Mean Time 24 February 2021

    Doug BeattieImage source, NI Assembly

    Ulster Unionist Doug Beattie asks about the Troubles' pension, which has an estimated cost of between £600m to £1.2bn.

    He wants the committee to see the assumptions taken into account when calculating the estimated costs.

    Dr Browne says he would need to clear this with ministers.

    He says "a number of key things come into play".

    The official says the department is "reasonably clear" about the numbers of severely physically disabled people.

    "The big unknown is the psychological injuries," he adds.

  11. Department criticised for not supplying budget documentpublished at 15:09 Greenwich Mean Time 24 February 2021

    Colin McGrathImage source, Ni Assembly

    As committee chair, Colin McGrath has the first bite at the questions, and he criticises the department for not bringing a detailed document to the committee.

    He says there needs to be a "drilling down into the detail" and this is not possible if the committee members do not have the details.

    "This budget is going on to the floor of the assembly next week and we're not going to have had that level of detail because the paper hasn't been presented," Mr McGrath says.

    Dr Browne says most of the information was in his briefing.

    "There's nothing substantial that I haven't touched on," he says.

  12. Draft budget 'presents significant challenges'published at 14:43 Greenwich Mean Time 24 February 2021

    Mark BrowneImage source, NI Assembly

    With the audio restored, Dr Browne can begin his briefing.

    He apologises that the officials have not supplied the usual written briefing for the committee.

    The official says the draft budget for 2021-22 "presents significant challenges for the executive and all departments".

    He says that although the consultation document indicates a 24.3% increase in TEO's budget, "it's important that the draft budget doesn't actually give TEO any additional funding" for its "business-as-usual" activities.

    Funding has been ring-fenced for schemes such as the implementation costs for victims' payments for permanent disablement and the historical institutional abuse redress scheme.

  13. Five-minute breakpublished at 14:25 Greenwich Mean Time 24 February 2021

    There's a problem with Dr Mark Browne's audio link and he can't start the briefing.

    Colin McGrath orders a five-minute break while the techies get a look under the bonnet.

  14. Spending plans briefingpublished at 14:15 Greenwich Mean Time 24 February 2021

    Colin McGrathImage source, NI Assembly

    Committee chair Colin McGrath calls the members to order.

    The SDLP MLA takes them through a number of committee housekeeping items before moving to the afternoon's first witness session.

    It's a briefing from The Executive Office (TEO) officials on the department's spending plans.

    The witnesses are:

    • Dr Mark Browne, TEO• Ms Neelia Lloyd, TEO• Ms Tara Kennedy, TEO

  15. What's on at the Executive Office Committee?published at 13:59 Greenwich Mean Time 24 February 2021

    We're back from lunch in time for the Executive Committee.

    The members are joining this week by video-link in order to observe Covid regulations.

    AgendaImage source, NI Assembly
  16. Committee to write to the ministerpublished at 11:53 Greenwich Mean Time 24 February 2021

    Coffee cup

    The members agree to write to the minister expressing the concerns they have heard from the bus and coach sector.

    Committee chair Michelle McIlveen then adjourns the meeting.

    We'll be back at 14:00 with live coverage of the Executive Committee, including a briefing from Junior Ministers Declan Kearney and Gary Middleton on Brexit issues.

    In the meantime, we're off to grab a coffee.

  17. 'Less admin for small businesses'published at 11:43 Greenwich Mean Time 24 February 2021

    Roy BeggsImage source, NI Assembly

    Ulster Unionist Roy Beggs asks if the department has looked at the possibility of reducing the amount of administration required for smaller operators running "a one or two coach business" when they apply for the scheme.

    Ms Thompson says this is "an issue we would want to look at".

    She says the department has learned a lot from the first scheme.

  18. 'Four civil servants working on the scheme'published at 11:40 Greenwich Mean Time 24 February 2021

    Andrew MuirImage source, Ni Assembly

    Andrew Muir of Alliance wants to know how many staff the department has working on the scheme and if it would be possible to add to them in order to get the payments out as quickly as possible.

    Ms Thompson says that, at one stage, there were eight staff working on the scheme but "that's dropped down to about four".

    She says this is because it is no longer about coping with volume but "working with the individual operators" on their claims.

  19. 'At least one appeal has been successful'published at 11:28 Greenwich Mean Time 24 February 2021

    Liz KimminsImage source, NI Assembly

    Liz Kimmins of Sinn Féin wants to know when the appeals process will begin for those who have had their application turned down.

    "We are are starting to look at appeals, and there's at least one that's been successful," Ms Thompson replies.

    She says this was due to additional information supplied by the applicant.

  20. 'No income for nearly a year'published at 11:21 Greenwich Mean Time 24 February 2021

    Martina Anderson says that she has listened to Ms Thompson and to the bus and coach operators on the radio this morning and "it is chalk and cheese".

    The Sinn Féin MLA for Foyle says "these operators have had no income now for nearly a year".

    She wants to know why the department has not improved the eligibility of the scheme, and says it only covers half of the sector.

    Martina AndersonImage source, NI Assembly

    Ms Thompson repeats what she said to Mr Buchanan, that three aspects are being considered in response to the operators' suggestions.

    Ms Anderson says that operators have spent thousands on paying for accountants only to be told they are ineligible "so the scheme has actually cost them".