Summary

  • The Northern Ireland Assembly debated the government's proposals for dealing with the legacy of the Troubles later

  • Last week the UK government unveiled its plans which would see an end to Troubles-related prosecutions

  • It would also end future inquests and civil actions

  • Executive parties, victims' groups and the Irish government have expressed opposition, with some labelling the plans as a "de-facto amnesty"

  • The UK government has yet to outline how its plans would affect the eight live Troubles-related prosecutions before Northern Ireland's courts

  1. Motion passespublished at 14:18 British Summer Time 20 July 2021

    Matthew O'Toole concludes the submissions from MLAs and speaker Alex Maskey puts the motion to the Assembly.

    It passes without opposition.

    The motion is non-binding and will not have any legal effect on how the prime minister and his government proceed with the proposals.

    Assembly
  2. 'We are surrounded by trauma' - O'Toolepublished at 14:17 British Summer Time 20 July 2021

    Matthew O'Toole

    SDLP's Matthew O'Toole says the UK government's proposal "attempts to sweep violence and atrocity and trauma under the carpet".

    He opens with reference to murdered victims of the Troubles "to draw attention to how surrounded we are in this society by trauma and the memory of trauma".

    "The rippling waves of psychological impact on relatives, friends and even children born since the end of the conflict have been enormous."

    He says the proposal "doesn't attempt to deal with the past".

  3. Amnesty 'undermines' armed forcespublished at 14:09 British Summer Time 20 July 2021

    Independent MLA Claire Sugden says her father came to Northern Ireland in the 1970s as a member of the British Army.

    She says that his reason for coming was to "protect others", while acknowledging that some members of the army "stepped out of line".

    Ms Sugden says that an amnesty sends the message that criminal behaviour is acceptable in the armed forces.

    She calls it "shameful" that the proposals would make equal those in the armed forces who served with distinction and those who did not, as well as equate them with terrorists.

    Claire Sugden
  4. 'No truth or accountability' - Carrollpublished at 14:08 British Summer Time 20 July 2021

    Gerry Carroll

    People Before Profit's Gerry Carroll says it is a "retrospective license to kill".

    He says it offers no truth or accountability.

    "It is reprehensible and it amounts to a retrospective license to kill from a government that does not care one iota for victims here who come from all communities and all deserve justice."

    He says the government wants to avoid airing the "long list of military crimes" to the world.

    "The British Empire where the sun never set and the blood never dried has a long history of violence across the world and they have much to fear from having to own up as to how much of it was sanctioned from the very top, rather than the action of a few rogue, individual soldiers."

  5. Mental and physical disadvantage for new generations - Baileypublished at 13:58 British Summer Time 20 July 2021

    Green Party leader Clare Bailey says statistics show higher instances of drug and alcohol problems in communities affected worst by the Troubles.

    She says Northern Ireland has the highest rate of suicide in the UK and higher rates for prescriptions to deal with mental ill health.

    She calls for a process that would recognise the cross-generational impact of the Troubles and also says Northern Ireland has been a "sponge for peace money".

    Ms Bailey says problems are being ingrained and left for the next generation to deal with.

    Claire Bailey
  6. 'I could have spent the rest of my life in a wheelchair' - Chamberspublished at 13:56 British Summer Time 20 July 2021

    Alan Chambers

    UUP's Alan Chambers describes how a window blew out and embedded in his back in 1973 - missing his spine by a quarter-of-an-inch.

    He thought he was clear when a bomb exploded and the plate glass window fell on him and his colleague.

    He says the women who rushed to him fainted at his feet when they saw the blood "in a steady flow" from his back.

    "The person who planted that bomb, who made that bomb, who transported the bomb, didn’t care who they injured or killed.

    "I didn’t see myself at the victim at the time, I saw victims as the three-and-a-half thousand poor unfortunate people who were murdered or killed.

    "Looking back, I was a victim – a very lucky victim by a mere quarter of an inch. I could have spent the rest of my life in a wheelchair or worse."

  7. 'The poison will not be contained' - McGlonepublished at 13:44 British Summer Time 20 July 2021

    SDLP MLA Patsy McGlone says a comprehensive investigative process is the only way to deal with legacy matters.

    "Attempts to see off the past are doomed to failure," he says.

    "The poison will not be contained and it will continue to contaminate the present and the future until properly addressed."

    Patsy McGlone
  8. 'Looks like an amnesty and barks like an amnesty' - Bradshawpublished at 13:38 British Summer Time 20 July 2021

    Paula Bradshaw

    The Alliance Party's Paula Bradshaw says the proposal is an "effective amnesty" that favours offenders over victims.

    The south Belfast MLA says: "These proposals are all about something that looks like an amnesty, and barks like an amnesty, even if that word is inconvenient for the UK government.

    "What it is proposing to put in place will hinder truth recovery and only serve to tip the balance in the favour of the offender – after all with an effective amnesty in place, what will be the motivation of anyone to tell the truth?"

    She says it is an insult both to victims and veterans.

  9. 'They have bled in the same way' - Hargeypublished at 13:36 British Summer Time 20 July 2021

    Communities Minister Deirdre Hargey acknowledges the emotion in Trevor Clarke's contribution and says it is felt by all victims.

    "They all feel the same pain, no matter what background, what community, what denomination they come from," she says.

    "They have bled in the same way, they cry in the same way, they grieve for their loved ones in the same way."

    The Sinn Féin MLA finishes by calling for a united opposition to the proposals.

    Deirdre Hargey
  10. 'Relatives of victims deserve information' - Newtonpublished at 13:30 British Summer Time 20 July 2021

    Robin Newton

    DUP's Robin Newton says victims' families deserve information about their loved ones.

    "Relatives of innocent victims deserve the information that is held by many, many people across this land, to be provided."

    "Anyone who breaks the law should face the threat of prosecution and conviction for their crimes, that should be the principal that everyone unites under, the law should apply equally and be applied without fear or favour."

  11. 'Past continues to haunt victims' - Nesbittpublished at 13:25 British Summer Time 20 July 2021

    The former Victims Commissioner Mike Nesbitt says the past continues to haunt victims today.

    "For thousands of our community it (the past) is literally the enduring present," the UUP MLA says.

    He says it would be wrong "morally, ethically and politically but also practically" to support the proposals.

    He calls on MLAs to "restore some dignity to victims and survivors and some respect to devolved politics".

    Mike Nesbitt
  12. Government 'doesn't give two balls of roasted snow' about victimspublished at 13:21 British Summer Time 20 July 2021

    The SDLP's Sinéad McLaughlin says UK government "doesn't give two balls of roasted snow" about Troubles victims.

    The Foyle MLA says: "Once again those that have suffered the most are being used as pawns and are being poorly serviced by a government that quite frankly doesn't give two balls of roasted snow for any of them because if they did, they would certainly not have decided justice and truth was beyond their reach."

    Speaking of Bloody Sunday, she says: "The injustice of Bloody Sunday is in the heart and soul of the people of Derry this trans-intergenerational trauma cannot simply be wiped away at the behest of a British prime minister."

    Sinead McLaughlin
  13. Attempt to 'finally silence victims'published at 13:09 British Summer Time 20 July 2021

    Declan Kearney

    Sinn Féin MLA Declan Keanrey says the proposals are an attempt to silence victims and called it a "travesty".

    "The policy objective of these amnesty proposals is to effectively pour concrete over Britain's role in the conflict," he said.

    He said it was a move to "formalise legal cover" for security forces.

    Mr Kearney accused the government of being afraid of "public exposure and public accountability".

  14. 'Act of political cowardice' - Clarkepublished at 13:07 British Summer Time 20 July 2021

    DUP MLA Trevor Clarke says the UK government's proposal is "an act of political cowardice".

    "An amnesty is no way to address the very legitimate concerns raised by the fictitious pursuit of aging veterans who served in Northern Ireland.

    "For the government to evade and now mask the specific duty to the service men and women is an act of political cowardice."

    He adds: "The vast majority of the servicemen and women acted within the law, in the service of everyone in our community, they do not need or seek an amnesty from prosecution."

    Trevor Clarke
  15. 'Resist and reject' government proposals - Kellypublished at 13:02 British Summer Time 20 July 2021

    Gerry Kelly

    Sinn Féin MLA Gerry Kelly says the parties must unite to "resist and reject" the proposals of the UK government.

    He says parties should be focussed on the fact that they are only proposals presently and says there is a "small window of opportunity" to challenge them.

    Mr Kelly says the proposed measures should not "give cover to the offices of public bodies like the Police Ombudsman or Coroner's Courts" not to publish ongoing reports.

  16. 'No moral authority' to curtail victims' rights - Weirpublished at 12:56 British Summer Time 20 July 2021

    DUP MLA Peter Weir says he has "no moral authority" to curtail the rights of victims as someone "sheltered" from the worst of the Troubles.

    He says the prime minister and Northern Ireland secretary's authority is even less.

    "I am also grateful that I did not lose any close family member to the ravages of terrorism.

    "That is one reason why I feel I have no moral authority to in any way circumscribe or curtail the rights of families of victims of the Troubles."

    He adds: "Therefore how much less right to impose an unjustifiable amnesty on those families has the prime minister or secretary of state, whose direct connection of the Troubles was an occasional glimpse of a news story on a television."

    Peter Weir
  17. Government has trailed an 'idealised destination' - Longpublished at 12:51 British Summer Time 20 July 2021

    Naomi Long

    Alliance leader Naomi Long says the UK government's outline for dealing with legacy issues is trailing an "idealised destination but offered no detail as to how it proposes to get there".

    The justice minister says that the idea that the proposals would free perpetrators to speak more freely and therefore help a truth recovery process is "for the birds".

    Mrs Long, who was contributing to the debate via a video call, also suggested that it would send an unwelcome message to those currently involved in terrorism that their crimes may not be punished.

    She said it would do nothing to help victims either as "the bereaved would be forced to watch on powerlessly".

  18. Irish government 'as bad as UK' on legacy - Beattiepublished at 12:48 British Summer Time 20 July 2021

    United Unionist party leader Doug Beattie criticises the Irish government's contribution to legacy issues.

    He says the Irish government has done nothing to investigate attacks that originated there.

    He says: "As I stand here and I can say and look at the British paper and say 'you’re wrong on this, you’re command paper is wrong'.

    "I can’t say that to the Irish government because they have produced nothing, no command paper.

    "Thousands of attacks emanated from Ireland across the border, to maim and kill our citizens and the retreated back across the border and they are not investigating.

    He adds: "Silence is as bad as putting forward these recommendations."

    Doug Bettie
  19. 'Moral bankruptcy'published at 12:35 British Summer Time 20 July 2021

    Michelle O'Neill

    The Deputy First Minister Michelle O'Neill says the proposals are "a statement of moral bankruptcy".

    She called the proposed measures an "affront to all families" and said it amounted to interfering in Northern Ireland's judicial process.

    Ms O'Neill said all parties had agreed in the build-up to the Stormont House Agreement that they were opposed to any form of amnesty.

    She questions whether it is "right that a central party to the conflict is seeking to place its forces beyond the reach of the law?".

  20. Government has perverted the course of justice - Storeypublished at 12:33 British Summer Time 20 July 2021

    DUP MLA Mervyn Storey accuses the UK government of perverting the course of justice by seeking to put an end to Troubles-related prosecutions.

    The North Antrim representative says his party had "some concerns" about the motion's wording but adds: "We do not want any other message to come from this house today other than victims cannot not and should not be ignored in this way."

    He says there were "many people who felt betrayed and let down by Her Majesty's Government".

    "A phrase that has often been used in our troubled past is that of perverting the course of justice and sadly the recent announcement of the government is just that."

    Mervyn storey