Cummings: Hancock used scientists as 'shields' for himselfpublished at 16:07 British Summer Time 26 May 2021
Cummings is asked whether the prime minister was focused on the job.
He says the PM had various distractions back in February 2020 in his personal life - he was finalising his divorce, his girlfriend was pregnant and he had his engagement.
Moving on to the health secretary, he says Matt Hancock used Sir Patrick Vallance and Prof Chris Whitty as "shields" for himself.
He said the attitude was "if things go wrong, blame the scientists".
He is asked again why Hancock was not sacked and he says the PM was told to keep him in his role "because he is the person you fire when the inquiry comes along".
Cummings says he argued this would cause another set of disasters in the autumn and he advised "we have got to get rid of this guy now".