Penman says one in six civil servants have witnessed harassmentpublished at 09:37 Greenwich Mean Time 26 February 2023
Kuenssberg asks Dave Penman for his opinions on Raab's bullying investigation.
"He says everything is fine, which is not the picture civil servants are painting. One in six say they have witnessed harassment across 20 government departments.
Kuenssberg reads out some comments, before saying politics is high pressure and people under pressure might not behave in the best way. Is it that bad?
Penman responds: "That's what they're telling us. Civil servants work in that high-pressured environment, they know what it's like.
"But they know the difference between a minister that is respectful of their jobs and a bully."
George Eustice adds he always got junior civil servants into meetings and put them to a test.
"Yes," he says, "I would try and provoke a response but no excuse for getting aggressive with people."