And that's all from today's show - which saw more of the political ping-pong over the government's incoming pension reform, and how to solve labour shortages in the NHS and elsewhere.

We also heard from MSNP and First Minister candidate Kate Forbes, with the winner of the leadership contest due to be announced on 27 March. She told Laura Kuenssberg the SNP was at a crossroads, but she would deliver for all people of Scotland.

The most powerful speaker today, though, was Georgia Harrison - who spoke about her "awful" experience of seeing explicit footage of herself uploaded online by former boyfriend Stephen Bear - now serving time.

"It took away my innocence," she told Kuenssberg, while reflecting on the empowering experience of speaking in court and of taking justice for all victims of revenge porn forward.

We'll be back next week, no doubt looking at what comes out of former PM Boris Johnson's appearance in front of the Commons Privileges Committee, among other things.

Today's live writers were Victoria Lindrea and Jamie Whitehead; the editor was Alexandra Fouché.

Reality TV star Georgia Harrison tells Laura Kuenssberg about how other revenge porn victims and their families have reached out to her since she waived her right to anonymity.

Harrison's experience shows dark side of online worldpublished at 10:49 Greenwich Mean Time 19 March 2023

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"We were always willing to engage with the unions," said cabinet minister Oliver Dowden.

That's not quite how union leaders saw it, when the government was adamant that they could not talk about this year’s pay, and no more money could be found for public sector wages.

Dowden tried to focus instead on what he said was a "decent deal’" that the two sides had now managed to broker, in the hope that union members would accept what’s been put on the table.

Were months wasted, with needless disruption for the public, before the inevitable negotiation could take place, you might wonder? That was not something the government minister was willing to admit.

Nor was Dowden able to say how many public sector employees would benefit from the government’s changes to pensions, which make it easier for the highly paid to save. There’s bound to be political argument on this point in the coming days.

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And there’ll certainly be headlines when Boris Johnson appears in front of MPs to face questions on Wednesday over what really happened under his roof during lockdown.

Dowden, a close ally of Rishi Sunak’s, said he was sure the former prime minister would put forward a "robust defence" of his conduct.

The newspapers are full of his allies trying to claim the process he’s currently facing is somehow unfair - remember the committee who’ll be grilling him is made up of Conservative as well as Labour MPs.

Remember too, Boris Johnson has already been fined by the police, and ousted by his party. Whatever he says on Wednesday, there is no changing that.

What really stood out on today's show this morning, however, was how awful people’s experience of what happens online can be.

There are plenty of wonderful things about the online world, but the testimony of Georgia Harrison shows its darker side.

Parliament is trying to bring in new laws to crack down on some of those harms, but our guests were not under any illusion over how hard that might actually be.

The programme has now finished, let's take a look back at what was said:

Cabinet minister Oliver Dowden was first up, saying he thought a fair deal with NHS staff had been struck and that he hoped union members would agree to it. But when Kuenssberg asked how, after weeks of saying it was an impossible deal, it was now possible, he said he welcomed both the Royal College of Nursing and the government moving positions.

He also talked about pensions, saying if people worked hard they should be able to save money and invest in their future. And he talked about TikTok, which has been banned on government phones because they have a lot of sensitive information on them.

Reality TV star Georgia Harrison told Kuenssberg the British public was shocked by her case and that revenge porn was a very common problem, adding many people were affected by it, and referring to her own experience in court over the case as "empowering".

She said she had enjoyed making a difference and didn't rule out a career in politics.

Labour's Lisa Nandy was then asked about the Budget, calling the government's pension reform announced in the Budget this week a "sticking plaster response" and that something needed to be done on doctors.

When asked about the tax threshold and if Labour would change it, she said they didn't want to commit to things they could not deliver or pay for.

And finally we heard from SNP leadership candidate Kate Forbes who said a conversation was needed on how to lead the SNP into the next decade, but that "respectful dialogue" on independence had been lost.

What has happened to the pay of striking workers?published at 10:22 Greenwich Mean Time 19 March 2023

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Reality Check

Cabinet Minister Oliver Dowden was questioned earlier on a 5% pay deal offered to NHS staff and the hope of reaching agreements with other striking workers.

Hundreds of thousands of people - from teachers to junior doctors and railway workers - have been taking part in industrial action, in the hope of achieving a pay rise.

BBC News has analysed salary figures from the Office for National Statistics (ONS) for the last 10 years, to see whether wages in different professions have kept up with prices.

Over the last decade, the wage of an average full-time employee in the UK has risen by about a quarter, to £33,000 in April 2022. That is almost in line with rising prices, falling just £230 short of matching inflation.

But figures suggest the picture is worse in some professions than others, with teachers and nurses seeing more pay lost to inflation than workers in other sectors.

The average salary for secondary school teachers, for example, has fallen behind rising prices by nearly £4,500 over the last 10 years - one of the largest drops of the careers examined.

Kuenssberg also asks the panel for their thoughts on the SNP - days before the leadership contest concludes.

Oli Dugmore says that even as a relative newcomer to Scottish politics, anyone can see the SNP is floundering and whomever takes over from Nicola Sturgeon as First Minister "has a right old mess to sort out".

Justine Roberts says that, while not all Mumsnetters were fans of Nicola Sturgeon's politics, they welcomed "having a woman at the top".

But she notes, despite a strong legacy, Sturgeon "completely failed on a succession plan", leading to the current in-party fallout.

We heard earlier from the programme's panel of guests and their reaction to Georgia Harrison’s interview.

“We see loads of threads about this on Mumsnet,” says the site’s founder Justine Roberts. “Not just about girls falling victim to this kind of thing, but boys being bought into this misogynistic online culture. We can’t draw on our own experiences, our generation has no experience of this.”

Oli Dugmore says: “It’s insane that the people aged 15/16/17 are at frontier of this, that’s who, as a society, we are trusting to navigate these complex, difficult dangerous issues.

"Social media can be a gateway to friendship and brilliant stuff, but can be the gateway to extreme stuff. The people who understand it best, the political discourse on this is so far off the pace.”

Asked about her Christian faith, First Minister candidate Forbes says there has been far more scrutiny "as a result of being honest and upfront in the beginning".

"The approach I took was that voters deserve to know who they are voting for," she tells Kuenssberg.

"I think there has been quite a stunning level of scrutiny - and perhaps, backlash, from some quarters.

"Of course I won't be the only person with faith in high office," she says, citing the Muslim mayor of London, Sadiq Khan, and Rishi Sunak's Hindu faith.

"People of faith have the right to occupy high office," she adds.

"You cannot deliver change unless you have trust - and to have trust, you have to have candour about the challenges you face," says Forbes.

"Right now, we [the SNP] are at a crossroads - there's no question about that."

After 16 years of successful government, "we need to get serious about what's worked and what's not worked".

If continuity was good enough, she argues, Humza Yousaf - the reported favourite among MSNPs - would be the candidate to choose, but she will do things differently, while building on past success of the party.

• Read more here about the candidates who have put themselves forward to replace Nicola Sturgeon as first minister of Scotland

How can you be the change candidate for the SNP when you have held such a senior position in the government for so long, asks Kuenssberg.

"The SNP has been winning elections because of many of the things it has done well," replies Forbes.

But the problems arising currently, such as the cost-of-living crisis and the need for reform in the NHS, means "we fundamentally need to talk about how to lead the party into the next decade".

As a party going forward, she cites "the ability to listen - to understand the priorities of the people we are here to serve" as well as "the ability to deliver - making good policies happen".

Most importantly, Forbes cites "the SNP's raison d'etre - independence".

She claims "respectful dialogue" around independence has been lost.

"We need to cut the abuse and the vitriol and actually respect the reasons why people might not be persuaded [of the case for independence] - and work hard to persuade them."

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Kate Forbes is running to be the next leader of the SNP.

Forbes was on maternity leave after the birth of her daughter when Nicola Sturgeon suddenly announced that she was quitting as SNP leader and Scotland's first minister.

Within a couple of days of confirming she would be standing in the contest to succeed her, Forbes found herself at the centre of a political storm.

Her views on issues such as gay marriage, abortion, trans rights and having children outside of marriage were savaged by Deputy First Minister John Swinney, who had been standing in for the deeply religious Forbes since last July.

Sturgeon herself also made thinly veiled barbs at the woman she had appointed finance secretary at the age of 29, just hours before she had to deliver a budget speech.

“Scotland is a progressive country”, Sturgeon stated, “and the views of the next first minister therefore matter”.

Read more here.

We now have the last guest of the show, Kate Forbes.

Responding to anticipated questions about the resignation of SNP chief executive Peter Murrell - husband of outgoing First Minister Nicola Sturgeon - on Saturday, Kate Forbes says "decisions within the SNP have been taken by too few people".

"SNP members want to know that our institution is democratic, that they can influence it, that they can shape policy. I think there has been a feeling that they are disempowered from that process."

She says she has "full confidence and trust' in the current election process, adding that the issues she has raised around having an independent auditor to oversee the contest was to give "trust and confidence to those that are voting".

Earlier, Kuenssberg asked Georgia Harrison about other women who have had similar experiences to hers since she waived her anonymity.

“My case has shocked the public,” Harrison says, “but it’s such a common thing. I get at least five women messaging me every day”, usually victims, she says, but sometimes mothers of victims.

Obviously it’s really embarrassing, but you would not believe how big this is and how many are affected by it, she adds.

Kuenssberg then asks how we have got to this stage and mentions the case of Andrew Tate.

Harrison responds by stating: “I think society has been like this a long time. With my case, I think the public have taken it seriously and made it obvious what happened was shameful for him and younger people are thinking: 'I don’t want to be shamed like him and go to prison.' I think things are starting to change."

Asked about Georgia Harrison, Lisa Nandy praises her as "brave and brilliant".

"Hers is a voice we haven't heard enough and this is a debate we haven't had enough," says Nandy.

She said the Labour Party would look to introduce more legislation forcing tech companies to act in circumstances where revenge porn is uploaded online.

"We want to speed up justice for victims," such as Georgia, she says.

"This sort of behaviour is not going to be tolerated" by a Labour government, says Nandy - and her party intends to make sure a victim like Georgia is backed up by the political system.

"The government says it will freeze tax thresholds, would Labour change that policy?" Kuenssberg asks.

“Fiscal drag is a real problem”, Nandy says, “we recognise it. We want to see working people pay less tax."

But she adds:“It's a case of not being willing to make commitments we cannot deliver or pay for.”

We say the answer to this problem is to get the economy growing again, she adds.

She goes on to say: “Our top mission for government in the first five years is to go for the highest sustained growth in the G7.”

Labour's Lisa Nandy says there has long been cross-party consensus that something needed to be done on doctors,

But the story has shifted, she argues - Oliver Dowden "hasn't got a clue" on how to deal with the broader issues.

She says the government is funding a tax cut to deal with the richest 1% - 81% of whom are not even doctors.

Nandy calls it "the most expensive sledgehammer you could have imagined".

The pension reform is only "a sticking plaster response", she adds.

"Most people are never going to put more than a £1m in their pension pot - it's the wrong priority at the wrong time."

It doesn't deal with the shortage of people in roles, the government should have looked more closely at the benefits system, she adds.

"It puts a nonsense to the very idea of levelling up that the government has been shouting about."

Labour's top mission is to get the economy growing again. She adds her party is not willing to make commitments on tax bands.

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Nandy was first elected as the Labour MP for Wigan in 2010, when she became the constituency's first female MP and one of the first Asian female MPs.

She has since served in a number of roles, including Shadow Secretary of State for Energy and Climate Change, Shadow Children’s Minister and Shadow Minister for Civil Society.

We now have Lisa Nandy, Shadow Secretary of State for Levelling Up, Housing and Communities.

Dowden is also asked if he thinks BBC Chairman Richard Sharp should step aside, pointing out Dowden was culture secretary when the appointment was made.

“I oversaw the appointment, it was a proper process. I’m confident we chose the right person and I continue to have confidence.”

And that’s all from Oliver Dowden this morning.

We have more on what Oliver Dowden told Kuenssberg earlier.

Asked about the new national alert system, which is due to be trialled nationally next month, Dowden describes it as "a sound that can save your life".

He says similar systems exists in other countries, including the US and the Netherlands.

"If there is a risk to life... this is another tool" at the goverment's disposal, he explains.

Following next month's 10-second trial, he says he hopes most people will never hear this again, saying its use will be "very targeted".