Summary

  • This week's guests are Levelling Up Secretary Michael Gove, Scottish Labour leader Anas Sarwar and wife of jailed Russian opposition politician Vladimir Kara-Murza

  • Michael Gove began by apologising over a video showing a party at Tory headquarters during lockdown

  • He says he will abstain from a vote on the Partygate report tomorrow, saying he does not think the 90-day suspension for Johnson is merited

  • We then heard from Evegina Kara-Murza, whose husband is serving a 25-year jail sentence in Russia - she talked about how he is holding up

  • Anas Sarwar focused on Labour's plan to deliver green energy, and his party's improved standing in the polls

  • The studio panel were former conservative cabinet minister Justine Greening, Boris Johnson's former adviser Samuel Kasumu and British historian Sir Simon Schama

  • We also heard from Sir Mark Rylance - one of the greats of stage and screen who returns to the West End in Dr Semmelweis

  1. Goodbye - that's it for another weekpublished at 10:41 British Summer Time 18 June 2023

    Emma Owen
    Live reporter

    Laura's just summarised the show for you, but if you'd like to read more of Michael Gove's thoughts on Johnson and the latest Partygate video, click here for our article.

    And of course, you can go back and watch the programme in full on iPlayer.

    We'll have a team in place to cover the debate on the Privileges Committee's report in Parliament tomorrow afternoon - check back on the website to follow it live.

    That's it from us - Sam Hancock and Victoria Lindrea were today's writers.

  2. Partygate won't go away... and pressure over costs is increasingpublished at 10:37 British Summer Time 18 June 2023

    Laura Kuenssberg
    Presenter, Sunday with Laura Kuenssberg

    Partygate is the last thing that anyone in Rishi Sunak’s government wants to talk about. It might be the last thing that you want to read about too.

    But a video of an event at the Conservative party’s headquarters has put the the story firmly back in the news, just when Number 10 might have hoped the whole furore might have been dying down.

    Rather than trying to squirm out of it, the cabinet minister Michael Gove said it was terrible, and apologised for what had happened. But he said the honours for two of those who were attended the party would not be taken away because the process was complete.

    He tried to maintain that Boris Johnson had genuinely believed that he had had assurances that no rules were broken in Downing Street, while also praising the work of the Privileges Committee. You might think, having your cake and eating it, perhaps. Mr Gove said he’ll abstain if there is a vote, but was coy about what the prime minister will do.

    Our inbox however is overflowing with messages from our viewers about interest rate rises on the way. Costs are racking up and up, and there is another rise likely next week. Is the government prepared to step in and help like it did with energy bills last year?

    Gove didn’t quite rule it out, but didn’t quite rule it in. He used the standard phrase, ‘it’s under review’ – in other words, the government has no desire to write another enormous cheque for householders who can’t pay the bills, but it is still possible that the political pressure might, in time, become too great for them not to act.

  3. 'Utter contempt for the country' - Labour MP on Gove's interviewpublished at 10:35 British Summer Time 18 June 2023

    We've just been having a scout around on social media to gauge reaction to Michael Gove's interview. Here's a small selection of what we found:

    One Labour MP, Karl Turner, says Gove's decision to abstain from tomorrow's vote highlights "the utter and complete contempt that Conservatives have for the country".

    Adam Bienkov, of the Byline Times, comments on the fact Gove labelled himself a "free speech fundamentalist" during the interview - despite him supporting "new restrictions on the right to protest, the right to strike and the blacklisting from official events of anyone who has publicly criticised the government".

    Meanwhile, Gove himself has been on GB News in the last few minutes, defending Boris Johnson and saying the former PM "made mistakes... we’re all prone to at times making mistakes".

  4. That's it - some final thoughts from the panelpublished at 10:09 British Summer Time 18 June 2023

    Kuenssberg set

    And having heard from Mark Rylance, we're reached the end of the show.

    Kuenssberg summarises what we've heard by returning to the levelling up secretary's "unreserved" apology for the Partygate video released today.

    Gove acknowledged that people who see the latest Mirror video will be "extremely angry" and said how sorry he was.

    But, Kuenssberg says the general public remains focused on the cost of living and the impact of rising mortgages.

    On to the panel, and reflecting on Boris Johnson's recent condemnation by the Privileges Committee, Samuel Kasumu gives credit to the former PM for rolling out the Covid vaccine, but says you can achieve great things and still mess other stuff up... in so many words!

    Former government minister Justine Greening says the Tory Party is damaged by current events. Johnson delivered a huge majority in 2019, she says, but had no plans for the outcome of Brexit or Levelling Up.

    "Sunak has plans but we are missing the vision," she adds.

    The party "could have achieved so much more for the British people... but there is still time," she concludes.

  5. Mark Rylance on Covid and theatre 'oddballs'published at 09:59 British Summer Time 18 June 2023

    Mark Rylance

    The programme's final guest is the actor Mark Rylance, who's talking about his new theatre show Dr Semmelweis.

    He's discussing the parallels between the content of the production and what happened during the Covid-19 pandemic. He also says it's usually the "oddballs" who come up with the best, and most ground-breaking ideas, be they medicine or vaccines or anything else.

    He says: "I'm not a doctor, I'm an artist, but I remember when I first came into the theatre in 1980, I feel like there were a lot more kind of oddballs and difficult people in the theatre. And I think on film sets too.

    "Now I regularly, understandably, meet directors who only want people who are easy to work with, they don't want anyone difficult, they don't want anything like that."

    You can read more about his thoughts here.

  6. Labour still has work to do - Sarwarpublished at 09:55 British Summer Time 18 June 2023

    Sarwar calls the suggestion that Labour might win 26 seats in the next election "positive news... but we have a lot of work to do," he adds.

    When he became Labour leader in Scotland, the party was 32 points behind - and he wouldn't have believed Labour's momentum since, he says.

    He tells Laura it is easy to say why others should lose, but not so easy to win.

    If the Tories win again at Westminster, it will galvanise the SNP once more - so defeating the Conservatives is important.

    "I didn't join the Labour party to be part of a protest movement... for us to keep losing elections," he says.

    "I want the Labour party to be a party of government.. but we have still got work to do."

  7. Green revolution for Scotland and the UK - Scottish Labour leaderpublished at 09:44 British Summer Time 18 June 2023

    Kuenssberg and Sarwar

    Right, we're onto Scottish Labour now - with the party's leader Anas Sarwar speaking to Laura Kuenssberg.

    Asked about the party's intention to deliver a green, clean energy revolution, Sarwar says the party's plan can be divided into four "key principles":

    • More jobs, not less jobs
    • Lower bills, not higher bills
    • Greater energy security and less reliance on imports from regimes like Russia
    • Climate leadership

    "I want Scotland - and the UK - to lead the world through a green revolution," he says.

  8. Scottish Labour leader Anas Sarwar - the backgroundpublished at 09:44 British Summer Time 18 June 2023

    Anas Sarwar kicks a ball during a photo opportunity in GlasgowImage source, PA

    Scotland has had its own political turmoil this week - and Anas Sarwar joins us from Glasgow this morning.

    Sarwar has been the leader of the Scottish Labour Party since 2021 and he has been an MSP for the Glasgow region since 2016.

    He also spent five years in Westminster as the MP for Glasgow Central between 2010 and 2015. He lost his seat to the SNP at the 2015 general election.

    During the week in Holyrood, Sarwar rejected First Minister Humza Yousaf’s decision not to suspend his predecessor Nicola Sturgeon after her arrest and subsequent release without charge last Sunday.

    He said on Monday: “If you look at previous incidents in the SNP normally people in that position have been suspended. And the question for Humza Yousaf is whether he is strong enough or whether he is too weak to show leadership."

    Earlier this week, Ms Sturgeon stated she is "certain" she committed "no offence".

  9. Five minutes each with their father - Kara-Murzapublished at 09:42 British Summer Time 18 June 2023

    Evgenia Kara-Murza has spoken about her three children talking to their father for the first time in a long while.

    She calls it "heart-breaking" as she was not at home to see it.

    "The kids were able to hear their father's voice, I am so happy for them...they had 15 minutes with their father - five minutes each. How is that OK?"

    "They told him them loved him, what they are up to in their lives. Of course he is missing a lot."

    "He has always been there for the kids."

    But she holds to the belief that she will see him again: "I will keep fighting."

  10. My husband is strong - jailed Putin critic's wifepublished at 09:38 British Summer Time 18 June 2023

    Evgenia

    Laura Kuenssberg begins by asking Evegina Kara-Murza how her husband is doing - he faces a 25-year jail sentence in Russia, after a court there found him guilty of treason.

    "His spirit is still strong," she says, adding he's "amazingly strong".

    Her husband, Vladimir Kara-Murza, gives people in Russia "strength", she adds.

  11. The Russian journalist who was given a hefty jail sentence for criticising the warpublished at 09:31 British Summer Time 18 June 2023

    Vladimir Kara-Murza sentenced in Moscow in April 2023Image source, EPA

    A few weeks ago Vladimir Kara-Murza, a journalist and critic of Vladimir Putin, who holds Russian and British passports, was sentenced to 25 years in prison.

    Mr Kara-Murza denied all charges but was found guilty of treason and spreading misinformation about the military.

    His 25-year sentence has been widely condemned and is seen as the longest sentence an opposition figure has received since the war in Ukraine began.

    "Traitors and betrayers will get what they deserve," said the Russian foreign ministry after the sentencing.

    His wife Evgenia Kara-Murza is now campaigning for her husband's release. We're hearing from her now.

  12. Gove proud of Tory achievements in education and environmentpublished at 09:31 British Summer Time 18 June 2023

    Towards the end of Gove's questioning, he is asked about housing and education issues in the UK and why the government has made "such a mess" of things.

    The Levelling Up Secretary does not concur that the Tories have made a mess of the opportunities given to them by a massive majority in the 2019 election.

    We have made mistakes as a party, says Gove - but achievements have been made in areas, including education and the environment

    "Millions of people have benefitted," he says.

  13. All MPs deserve to have their opinions heard - Govepublished at 09:28 British Summer Time 18 June 2023

    Gove's being pushed on whether he believes Rishi Sunak should "turn up" and vote in Parliament tomorrow, on the report into Boris Johnson's conduct.

    "My own view is that each individual should make up their own mind," he says of the report, repeating pleas by the likes of Commons leader Penny Mordaunt.

    He says all MPs have the right to read the report, make up their mind and to not be judged for doing so.

    Asked what he'd say to Johnson's supporters who have criticised the report, Gove says a "healthy system" should include people being able to make their point and have their say - even if he disagrees with them.

  14. Gove will abstain on Partygate vote tomorrowpublished at 09:26 British Summer Time 18 June 2023

    Gove

    Gove says the 90-day penalty inflicted on the former PM is "not merited" in his opinion, and he "does not agree with the conclusion".

    But he stresses "each individual member should form their own judgement" on the report that concluded Boris Johnson deliberately misled Parliament.

    He says the committee have done good work, "it is a good report".

    Johnson did make errors and has already forfeited his position, he argues.

  15. Mortgage help under review, insists Govepublished at 09:21 British Summer Time 18 June 2023

    We're still on mortgages. Laura Kuenssberg says, from what Gove's saying, it sounds like the government "doesn't plan" to provide help to people struggling with mortgages.

    Gove says he's not getting his point across, if that's what is being inferred.

    "I think there's a difference between keeping under review and ruling out," he says, before the conversation moves on to Boris Johnson.

  16. Gove says mortgage woes a consequence of cost of living crisispublished at 09:18 British Summer Time 18 June 2023

    On to mortgages now. Gove says the challenge being posed to buyers is "uniquely challenging", and blames what's happening on the cost of living crisis.

    Asked about a viewer of Sunday with Laura Kuenssberg, whose mortgage is going to go up by £400 a month, Gove says the government has already taken steps to support people.

    The government needs to be in a position where "inflation overall is defeated", he says.

    Pressed on what practical help the government will give people, Gove repeats that the main priority should be ensuring interest rates don't go up.

  17. Partygoers should not be stripped of honours - Govepublished at 09:16 British Summer Time 18 June 2023

    Two people featured in the latest Partygate video have received honours - should they be stripped of those honours?, Laura asks Gove.

    No - he tells her, adding "I respect due process... the decision was Boris Johnson's".

    He says it is Johnson's right to confer honours as an outgoing PM - and the context surrounding those honours needs to be considered.

  18. Gove apologises for Tory HQ lockdown party videopublished at 09:11 British Summer Time 18 June 2023

    Gove and Kuenssberg

    We're onto Michael Gove now, who's asked about Partygate - specifically that video being shared by the Daily Mirror, which we mentioned earlier.

    He says the video, published by the Daily Mirror, is "terrible" and apologises for the behaviour being shown in it.

    He says, above all, that it's "indefensible".

  19. Papers and Partygatepublished at 09:07 British Summer Time 18 June 2023

    Here we go then. As usual, Laura Kuenssberg starts by going through this morning's papers and talking about the topic of the moment - Partygate.

    She asks panellist Samuel Kasumu, who worked in Boris Johnson’s government for two years, if he resigned because of the culture at No 10.

    He says that, yes, one of the reasons he left was because parties were happening.

    Sir Simon Schama and Justine Greening both share their anger over the lockdown parties.

  20. On airpublished at 09:00 British Summer Time 18 June 2023

    Kuenssberg

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