Summary

  • Scotland's First Minister Humza Yousaf, Defence Secretary Grant Shapps and shadow home secretary Yvette Cooper are this week's guests on Sunday with Laura Kuenssberg

  • On Israel-Gaza, Shapps says it's "disappointing" that Israeli PM Benjamin Netanyahu has rejected a two-state solution. Shapps says there is no other way forward

  • Humza Yousaf, questioned second on the show, says the war shows that some people place a different value on Palestinian or Muslim lives

  • Yousaf also repeats his prediction that Labour leader Keir Starmer will become prime minister - and says Labour "does not need Scotland" in order to win

  • Labour's Yvette Cooper says the deaths of a family in Norfolk raise questions around police response to 999 calls. "There's a wider issue here," she says.

  • The panel this week is presenter Simon Reeve, businessman Tom Hunter and Baroness Nicky Morgan

  1. What we heard from Shapps, Yousaf and Cooperpublished at 10:29 Greenwich Mean Time 21 January

    That's it for another week of Sunday with Laura Kuenssberg. It was a busy morning of interviews, here's a quick overview of what todays guests had to say:

    Defence Secretary Grant Shapps

    • Grant Shapps said creating two separate states is the only solution to ending the conflict between Israel and the Palestinians
    • He said it was "disappointing" that Israel's prime minister has rejected the idea, adding: "Unless you pursue a two-state solution, I really don't see that there is another solution"
    • Shapps also said Europe needs to "step up" and provide more funding for Ukraine

    Scotland's First Minister Humza Yousaf

    • FM Hamza Yousaf was also asked about the Israel Gaza conflict. He blamed "a lack of leadership and moral courage" when asked why other politicians have not called for a ceasefire
    • Asked if he believes some people place a different value on Palestinian or Muslim lives, he says, “without a shadow of a doubt”
    • He also said the SNP will win the general election in Scotland, while adding it was inevitable that Keir Starmer would be the next UK prime minister after this year's election

    Shadow home secretary Yvette Cooper

    • Labour's Yvette Cooper ruled out any deals with the SNP
    • She refused to be drawn on repeated questions from Kuenssberg about asylum claim numbers, but added: "We need to end the dangerous boat crossings"
    • Cooper also said the Norfolk case, where police did not respond to a 999 call from a house where four bodies were later found, raises questions over the police's emergency response
  2. Watch: UK needs to be 'prepared' for warpublished at 10:18 Greenwich Mean Time 21 January

    Looking back over this morning's show, Defence Secretary Grant Shapps told Laura Kuenssberg that the UK "needs to be prepared" as tensions continue to rise in the Middle East.

    It follows his comments last week stating the UK was "moving from a post-war to pre-war world".

    Media caption,

    Grant Shapps warns of 'a more dangerous world'

  3. The show is over - but stay tuned for analysis, clips, and reactionpublished at 10:03 Greenwich Mean Time 21 January

    Sunday with Laura Kuenssberg has now ended, but our coverage doesn't stop there.

    Stay with us as we bring you more interview highlights, reaction, analysis and video clips.

  4. Labour is not making deals with the SNP - Cooperpublished at 10:03 Greenwich Mean Time 21 January

    Labour's Cooper is asked whether party leader Keir Starmer should go and see First Minister Humza Yousaf in Scotland, following on from an invite from Yousaf earlier in the programme.

    "We're not making deals with the SNP," states Cooper.

    "The important thing is to have a Labour government elected to get rid of the Conservatives," she says

  5. 'We need to end the dangerous boat crossings' - Cooperpublished at 10:00 Greenwich Mean Time 21 January

    Cooper is asked for a third time if she's comfortable with the number of asylum claims:

    "You just can't set specific numbers, you have to respond to the circumstances," she says, avoiding talking specifically about the numbers.

    She says Labour would set up a returns and enforcement unit.

    "We need to end the dangerous boat crossings," she stresses.

    The UK needs to do its bit to help people fleeing the conflicts, but we also need to ensure people are sent home," she adds.

  6. Cooper won't be drawn on asylum claim numberspublished at 10:00 Greenwich Mean Time 21 January

    Kuenssberg next asks the shadow home secretary on asylum claims.

    Yvette Cooper is asked if the number of those coming to the UK as refugees or seeking asylum, estimated at around 150,000 last year, is right or too high?

    She says the UK has had to respond to specific instances, for example Ukraine and Hong Kong, but adds that these "one offs".

    Kuenssberg asks about the nearly 40,000 asylum claims that were accepted, saying many of those people would have arrived illegally. She asks Cooper is she thinks that specifically is too high - but she refuses to be drawn.

  7. Cooper says Norfolk case raises questions over 999 responsepublished at 09:54 Greenwich Mean Time 21 January

    Shadow home secretary Yvette Cooper is up now.

    She's asked about the deaths of four people in Norfolk and the police response, who did not respond to the 999 call hours before the bodies were discovered.

    Cooper says that she thinks "there's a wider issue here about police responses to 999 calls, particularly on domestic abuse cases".

    She recalls other 999 calls from other people that were not responded to and ended with deaths, and outlines what Labour would do about this issue, saying they will "put domestic abuse specialist into 999 control centres".

    She says there needs to be an investigation into the response in the Norwich case.

    "We have to make sure that people have the confidence that the police will be there when they need them.

    "That's often not the case and that's part of the damage has been done to police and criminal justice system over many years."

    Media caption,

    Yvette Cooper backs investigation into Norwich 999 call

  8. 'Starmer will be next PM, we all know that'- Humza Yousafpublished at 09:52 Greenwich Mean Time 21 January

    Humza Yousaf has told the BBC that it is "inevitable" that Labour's Sir Keir Starmer will be the next UK prime minister.

    He adds that he's very happy to work with Labour if it was to be in government after this year's general election. You can watch his comments below:

    Media caption,

    Humza Yousaf: 'Starmer will be next PM, we all know that'

  9. Michelle Mone is her 'own worst enemy' - Tom Hunterpublished at 09:49 Greenwich Mean Time 21 January

    Sir Tom Hunter

    Businessman Sir Tom Hunter is asked about Baroness Michelle Mone.

    She and her husband have admitted lying about their involvement with PPE Medpro, which had a a contract to supply medical equipment during the Covid crisis.

    Hunter says he knew Baroness Mone when she was first starting out in business.

    He believes she is her own worst enemy and can't understand why she did a "car crash interview" with Laura Kuenssberg, which has prompted a freefall of criticism.

  10. Rwanda bill will go through House of Lords, says Baroness Morganpublished at 09:46 Greenwich Mean Time 21 January

    The panel moves on to discuss the Rwanda bill.

    Baroness Morgan thinks that the bill, which passed intact through the Commons last week, will go through the House of Lords, but she also warns Rishi Sunak that "the last PM who used 'the will of the people language" did not set "a happy precedent".

    Simon Reeve, who spent a lot of time in Africa, says that we should talk more about what the UK is trying to achieve with this bill: "What is the ultimate aim?" he asks.

  11. Two-state solution is the only way out of current conflict - panelpublished at 09:43 Greenwich Mean Time 21 January

    Kuenssberg now goes back to the panel, and asks about their thoughts on what Shapps said about Israeli PM Netanyahu rejecting the two-state solution.

    Baroness Morgan says Shapps' "disappointing" comment was "pretty strong" in a political context. She thinks that most of Westminster will be disappointed by Netanyahu's comments because a "two-state solution is the only way out of the current difficulties".

    Presenter Simon Reeve says that there are real extremists, hatred and rage on both sides. "The two-state solution is almost being driven out of being a possibility by the endless [Israeli] settlements," he posits, adding, "but there is no other solution".

    Tom Hunter says that he is worried about the quality of the political leadership around the world and their ability to bring an end to the difficulties in the region.

  12. Yousaf blames 'lack of moral courage' around failure to push for ceasefire in Gazapublished at 09:33 Greenwich Mean Time 21 January

    The last question for Scotland’s first minister is about a ceasefire in Gaza, which Yousaf - whose in-laws were trapped in Gaza in the early stages of the conflict - has repeatedly called for.

    Why are other politicians hesitant to push for a ceasefire, Kuenssberg asks?

    Humza Yousaf blames "a lack of leadership and moral courage”.

    “I don't know how anybody can see that level of death and destruction and not call for an immediate halt, and an immediate ceasefire.”

    Asked if he believes some people place a different value on Palestinian or Muslim lives, he says, “without a shadow of a doubt”.

    That brings the first minister's interview to an end. We'll bring you reaction from the panel next on what he had to say.

  13. SNP have prioritised public services over tax cuts for wealthy, says Yousafpublished at 09:31 Greenwich Mean Time 21 January

    Panel guest and billionaire businessmen Tom Hunter has questions around why higher-rate taxpayers in Scotland pay more than those in England. Scotland now has six different tax bands, as opposed to three in the UK.

    Does Yousaf see this as an incentive for start-ups trying to develop businesses in Scotland?

    The FM responds by saying the majority of taxpayers will pay less tax in Scotland than taxpayers elsewhere in the UK.

    He says the SNP is asking the top 5% of earners “to pay a little more” so that policies such as free university education and childcare services can be provided.

    He goes on to say he believes people “will recognise that we’ve prioritised public services over tax cuts for the wealthy”.

    Kuenssberg presses Yousaf on education, saying that Scotland’s schools’ ratings have slipped, and that the education Scottish children get is behind that of their English counterparts.

    Scotland's leader says progress has been made on improving literacy and numeracy, as well as a rise in the number of young people achieving Highers.

    He goes on to say he does not accept the oft-cited parallels made between the SNP in Scotland and the Tory government in Westminster - that they’re out of ideas.

    He hails progress in the health service, fewer children in poverty and reduced crime levels as successes under his party.

  14. Scotland must send strong message 'it will not be ignored’ - Yousafpublished at 09:30 Greenwich Mean Time 21 January

    Kuenssberg picks up on the issue of Scottish independence.

    She asks Humza Yousaf if he accepts that Scottish independence and another referendum are not going to happen any time soon.

    “I don’t accept it - for two reasons," he responds.

    "You’ve got to do two things: you’ve got to create both the political conditions, and then you’ve got to create the popular support, and the conditions for popular support,” the first minister says.

    “So the political conditions are why the SNP, I believe, have to win the general election. I want the SNP to win the general election to help to send a really strong message to Westminster that Scotland will not be ignored.”

    "You have to create the conditions for a consistent majority for independence”.

  15. ‘Scrap the bedroom tax’ to reduce child poverty - Yousafpublished at 09:29 Greenwich Mean Time 21 January

    Scotland’s first minister goes on to say he’s willing to work with a Labour government if the party wins in the forthcoming general election.

    He says he’s reached out to Keir Starmer and invited him to Edinburgh, and says he would particularly like to discuss tackling child poverty across the UK.

    “I think Keir Starmer should commit to, for example, lifting the two-child limit, and by doing so, he would lift 250,000 children out of poverty across the UK: 15,000 children here in Scotland," says Yousaf.

    “Let’s scrap the bedroom tax, which is keeping too many people in poverty."

    “What I’m saying to Keir Starmer is - SNP MPs will work with you.”

    He adds that he will push for a second independence referendum and wants to hear Labour’s plans around devolution.

  16. Starmer doesn’t need Scotland to win the election, says FMpublished at 09:29 Greenwich Mean Time 21 January

    Kuenssberg puts it to Yousaf that if voters want to end the Conservative government in the UK, the most straightforward course of action for Scottish voters would be to vote for Labour - as clearly the more Labour MPs there are, the more likely a Labour government at Westminster.

    The first minister maintains Labour leader Sir Keir Starmer is ahead in the polls and will be the UK’s next prime minister - and he “does not need Scotland to win”.

    Kuenssberg counters that it’s misleading to suggest it’s inevitable that Starmer is going to be PM, with as many as 10 months to run until a general election.

    “If you can show me a single poll that is suggesting this is going to be a marginal election, I would love to see it,” Yousaf responds.

    “What I’m saying to voters in Scotland is, vote for what you believe in,” he says, adding the SNP will stand up for the country.

  17. SNP will win general election in Scotland - Yousafpublished at 09:28 Greenwich Mean Time 21 January

    The opening question to Scotland’s First Minister Humza Yousaf is about continued support for the SNP and his party’s position the polls, after a rocky year in 2023.

    “I’m absolutely sure that we will be the party that wins the election [in Scotland] in 2024,” says Yousaf, while stressing he’s not complacent - with some polls putting the SNP “neck and neck with Labour”.

    He adds that “support for independence is absolutely rock solid”.

    The SNP has two aims, he explains: to be the biggest party in Scotland in the general election, and to“wipe the Tories off the electoral map in Scotland”.

    “The fact that the SNP is second place in every single Tory seat in Scotland, means that if people want to make Scotland Tory-free… then they have to vote for the SNP.”

  18. Netanyahu's words on two-state solution 'disappointing' - Shappspublished at 09:27 Greenwich Mean Time 21 January

    When asked about Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu's comments during which he said he was against a two-state solution, Shapps calls it "very disappointing".

    "Palestinians deserve a sovereign state, Israel deserves to have the full ability to defend itself, its own security," he says.

    "Unless you pursue a two-state solution, I really don't see that there is another solution.

    "Now, you'll get a lot of different views within the Israeli government, of course, it is a rainbow coalition. So we very much distinguish between the views of individuals and our overall support for Israel as a country."

    That wraps up the defence secretary's interview. Up next is Scottish First Minister Hamza Yousaf.

  19. When will defence spending increase?published at 09:25 Greenwich Mean Time 21 January

    Shapps is asked about funding for the UK military.

    Kuenssberg points out that the UK spends more than £50bn on defence per year already and there have been pledges to spend 2.5% of GDP on defence.

    But when will that target will be hit, given the serious threats around the world?

    Shapps says the government has always said they would do it when economic conditions allow - and we're "comfortably above 2%" spending on defence.

    He doesn't give an exact date on when the UK will get up to spending 2.5%, saying: "We're working to a plan."