Summary

  • The Conservative Party has said it would bring back mandatory national service if it wins the general election

  • It says 18-year-olds will join the military for 12 months or volunteer one weekend every month in the community

  • Home Secretary James Cleverly tells Laura Kuenssberg the plan would address social fragmentation and get young people "out of their bubble"

  • But Rachel Reeves, Labour's shadow chancellor, says the plan is a "desperate gimmick" with no viable funding - and the SNP says the plan will only mobilise youth voters against the Tories

  • On another topic, Cleverly admits the figures for small boat crossings are "challenging", but attacked Labour for saying it would scrap the government's Rwanda scheme

  • And Reeves tells Laura Kuenssberg that Labour would not increase income tax if it wins the election. She did not rule out some spending cuts

  • We will bring you live coverage throughout the day of all the big political developments. This is the first weekend of campaigning ahead of the 4 July general election

  1. Reeves pushed on zero hours contract banpublished at 10:07 British Summer Time 26 May

    Laura gestures as she asks Rachel Reeves a question

    Another topic broached before the end of the shadow chancellor's interview was workers rights.

    Laura asked Reeves about Labour's commitment to have an outright ban on zero hours contracts, adding that under the plans firms could still fire and rehire.

    Reeves said Labour would end fire and rehire practice, but if a company was facing bankruptcy it would have to consult its workers and their unions.

    Reeves said Labour has the support of trade unions, adding that the Labour government would bring back that legislation in the first 100 days.

  2. And that's a wrappublished at 10:01 British Summer Time 26 May

    That ends the first Sunday with Laura Kuenssberg programme since the general election was called on Wednesday, and it's proved to be a rather lively one.

    We're just wrapping up a few lines, but stay with us as we bring you some more analysis and updates from the campaign trail.

  3. Will Labour match Tory defence spending plans?published at 09:57 British Summer Time 26 May

    Reeves has now been relieved from the hot seat and Laura returns her focus to the panel.

    Just before the shadow chancellor finished, Laura asked her about security. The Tories have committed to raising defence spending to 2.5% of GDP by 2030 - would Labour match that?

    Reeves said she would not put a timetable on raising defence spending to that level, though the party supported getting there eventually.

    Labour would have a full strategic review on defence spending, saying costs in some areas of procurement had run "out of control" under this government.

    She said the party was committed to raising defence spending levels to 2.5% eventually and would "get there as quickly as possible", but would not set a firm date.

  4. 'A gimmick where the sums don't add up'published at 09:54 British Summer Time 26 May
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    The shadow chancellor has attacked the government's national service plan and says it hasn't been properly costed.

    Reeves calls the proposal a "desperate gimmick" and says the "sums don't add up".

    She accuses the government or "raiding the levelling up budget to pay for it", adding that the government has "no viable means of funding" the scheme.

  5. Reeves says Labour won't increase income taxpublished at 09:52 British Summer Time 26 May

    Reeves is pressed further, with Laura telling her that voters want to know what Labour would do to their pay packets.

    Would a Labour government increase income tax?

    We wont be increasing income taxes, the shadow chancellor responds, reassuring Laura again that the party is against it.

  6. 'I don't want to make any cuts to public spending'published at 09:49 British Summer Time 26 May

    "I don't want to make any cuts to public spending", Reeves tells the programme.

    She says the party will invest in public services like schools and the police, and says Labour won't make any commitments that aren't fully costed.

    So if Labour won't cut spending, will they put up taxes?

    Reeves says there will be nothing in the manifesto that isn't fully funded and points to measures like ending the VAT exemptions for private school fees as a way a Labour government could raise money.

  7. Reeves won't rule out public spending cuts to fund pledgespublished at 09:45 British Summer Time 26 May

    Rachel Reeves sits down with Laura Kuenssberg

    Next, Reeves says Labour will extend the windfall tax on energy firms in order to fund renewable energy.

    But Laura challenges her on the scale of the limited tax announcements she has set out in order to pay for funding commitments, saying they are tiny compared to the size of the overall budget.

    It is put to Reeves that unless she puts taxes up more broadly or borrows more, Labour will have to cut public spending in order to meet its own spending rules.

    Reeves doesn't categorically rule out cuts, saying "I am under no illusion about the scale of the challenge".

    She accepts the party will have to make difficult decisions and won't be able to put everything right straight away.

    Laura then asks if Labour would return to austerity, which Reeves denies.

  8. Would Labour stick to Tory spending squeeze?published at 09:43 British Summer Time 26 May

    Laura puts it to Reeves that both Labour and the Conservatives want to get debt falling, which will require making very tough decisions.

    The shadow chancellor is then asked if she would stick with the "broad shape" of the Tories' spending plans on public services.

    Reeves says she has already announced an immediate injection of cash "into our public services", and says what Labour plans to go goes "over and above" what the Tories have offered.

  9. Reeves promises return to economic stabilitypublished at 09:37 British Summer Time 26 May

    Rachel Reeves and Laura Kuenssberg

    Next up is Labour's shadow chancellor Rachel Reeves, who is being asked about the party's economic credibility.

    She says her priority in government would be the public finances and says the Tories have failed after 14 years.

    Reeves tells Laura her number one commitment is to bring stability back to the economy by imposing tight spending rules in order to allow businesses and families to plan for the future.

  10. Cleverly confirms he will run in electionpublished at 09:31 British Summer Time 26 May

    Finally, Laura asks the home secretary if he still intends to run in the election following a mass exodus of Tory MPs following the vote announcement.

    "Absolutely. I love being an MP and I love being home secretary," he says.

  11. Why should voters give the Tories another shot?published at 09:29 British Summer Time 26 May

    Cleverly is next asked why voters should give the Conservatives another chance on 4 July after 14 years in power. Is the country safer and better run than it was in 2010?

    He says the government has had to deal with unprecedented circumstances like the pandemic and war in Ukraine.

    The home secretary says the government deserves credit for how it handled furlough, coming out of lockdown and the UK's support for Kyiv.

  12. Home secretary admits 'challenging' small boats figurespublished at 09:27 British Summer Time 26 May

    Cleverly speaks to Laura from the studio

    Cleverly is now being asked about immigration and the Rwanda scheme.

    As a reminder: the number of people crossing the Channel in small boats so far this year passed the 10,000 mark this weekend, meaning arrivals are happening at a higher rate than last year.

    He says it is a "very challenging situation" and tells viewers "no one is pretending it is easy".

    Cleverly attacks Labour for saying they would scrap the Rwanda scheme and says Labour's policy on small boats - which is to set up a new border force unit with powers similar to counter-terror laws - is replicating something which already exists.

  13. Cleverly pushes back on policy of slowing down arrestspublished at 09:25 British Summer Time 26 May

    Now, Laura puts it to the home secretary that police were told not to make as many arrests due to jails being overcrowded, which Cleverly denies.

    This relates to a letter from the National Police Chiefs Council which circulated last week, urging chief constables to think about "pausing" so-called "non-priority arrests".

    Cleverly was quick to distance himself from this position, and says the reason there is pressure on prisons is because of the pandemic.

    He says the government is looking keep people in prison who should be in prison - and was committed to locking up people who had committed serious crimes.

  14. Why should voters trust Tories on crime?published at 09:21 British Summer Time 26 May

    The home secretary is now being pressed on crime statistics which show rising numbers of offences like knife crime, gun crime and robberies. Why should people trust the Tories on crime, he's asked.

    Cleverly says the figures are inflated by Labour-run London and would look very different if the capital city was removed from the equation.

    Many people feel like it's not worth ringing the police because they won't be able to investigate a crime, he's told.

    Cleverly responds by saying the government has instructed police to pursue every reasonable line of inquiry.

    He says the government has increased the number of police officers on the streets - but Kuenssberg points out that while the raw numbers of officers has increased, the proportion compared to the size of the population has gone down.

  15. We force people to do things all the time, says Cleverlypublished at 09:19 British Summer Time 26 May

    Sticking with the national service plan, Laura now points out to Cleverly that volunteering isn't volunteering if it's mandatory.

    She says, as a Tory, do you stand behind forcing people to do something?

    "We force people to do things all the time," says Cleverly.

    "We force 16 year olds - who we recognise as a society, are not fully formed - and they still require education. So the decision was made that they remain in education or training.

    "So we force teenagers to be educated, nobody argues with that."

    The home secretary says that the new plan is about maintaining an investment in society and pushing people out of their comfort zones.

  16. Cleverly denies community funding would be cut to pay for planpublished at 09:16 British Summer Time 26 May

    James Cleverly and Laura Kuenssberg

    Cleverly says the government consulted with senior military figures about the national service plans before they were announced.

    The plan is forecast to cost £2.5bn - £1bn will come from money raised from a "crack down" on tax avoidance, while the rest will be taken from the Shared Prosperity Fund.

    Asked about the funding, Cleverly says the government believes it will be able to raise £6bn from tax avoidance, but is pressed on why that hasn't been done previously over the last 14 years.

    Most of the funding for the national service plan comes from an existing pot of money which was set up to support community organisations after the UK left the EU.

    Cleverly denies that funding is effectively being cut to pay for national service, instead saying that funding stream was earmarked to finish but is being extended and diverted to this new plan.

  17. Home secretary challenged on number of teenagers wanting to join armypublished at 09:15 British Summer Time 26 May

    Laura says the national service plan sounds more like social engineering - and Cleverly responds that it is a way to tackle social fragmentation.

    It is then put to the home secretary that thousands of teenagers don't want to go into the army and that the majority would take the other option.

    Cleverly says other options would include becoming a special constable, a firefighter or an emergency medic.

  18. Military aspect a 'small element' of plan, says Cleverlypublished at 09:09 British Summer Time 26 May

    First to face Laura is Home Secretary James Cleverly, who is asked about the government's national service plan.

    Earlier this year, the government dismissed suggestions from a senior military figure about this sort of proposal - so what has changed?

    Cleverly says the plan is about getting young people "out of their bubble" and engaged in different types of work.

    He says the military aspect is a "small element" that no one will be compelled to do.

  19. And we're livepublished at 09:00 British Summer Time 26 May

    Rachel Reeves, James Cleverly and Laura Kuenssberg

    And we're back in the studio for the first episode of Sunday with Laura Kuenssberg since the 4 July general election was called.

    You can follow along live by clicking the Play button at the top of this page.

  20. And on today's panel...published at 08:56 British Summer Time 26 May

    Alongside the guests, Laura is joined this morning by three panellists:

    • Alan Johnson served as both home secretary and health secretary when Labour were last in power. He left the Commons in May 2017
    • Baroness Nicky Morgan is the former Tory education secretary. She was appointed to the House of Lords in 2020
    • Sharon White is chair of John Lewis, having previously held roles in the civil service, including the Treasury