What would an independent Wales look like?published at 19:14 British Summer Time 12 June
Returning to that Nick Robinson interview from earlier today with Plaid Cymru's leader, it was put to him at one point about his party's pro-independence position.
Ap Iorwerth said he would "have Wales become independent tomorrow" but accepts the country is "not at that point quite yet", and he hopes to get voters interested in the prospect.
Robinson pressed him on what that would look like in practice. Plaid also want to rejoin the EU single market - so would that mean a hard border between Wales and England?
Ap Iorwerth said "absolutely not" and the party would ensure the "border is absolutely free in terms of trade and people".
He said independence is about Wales achieving its "full potential" and "redesigning" the UK, rather than breaking it up.
Ap Iorwerth also criticised Labour for not advocating for rejoining the EU, which he said is because of the party's "lurch to the right".
Asked if the UK monarch would remain head of an independent Wales, he said he is personally a republican but that decision "would be up to the people of Wales".