Summary

  • MSPs take evidence on childcare from Auditor General Caroline Gardner and Childcare Minister Maree Todd.

  • The lunchtime's member's debate marks UN International Day for the Elimination of Racial Discrimination

  • Social security, communities and equalities ministers are quizzed during portfolio questions

  • MSPs debate the EU Continuity Bill for the final time

  1. Labour MSP queries access issuespublished at 10:45 Greenwich Mean Time 21 March 2018

    Labour MSP Johann Lamont
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    Labour MSP Johann Lamont

    Labour MSP Johann Lamont points to a submission to the committee from Fair Funding For Our Kids, highlighting some issues with access to childcare.

    What work are you doing to address this, she asks.

    Ms Todd says this is one of the main reasons for doubling the hours, arguing this will make it easier for some families to access childcare.

    She accepts it may not be transformative for all parents but it will make a difference for some.

  2. Minister confident staffing gap will be filledpublished at 10:42 Greenwich Mean Time 21 March 2018

    Maree ToddImage source, bbc

    Mr Mundell asks about the staffing numbers and whether it is realisitc to find enough people to fill the gaps.

    Ms Todd says she thinks the gap will be be filled as what has been described as the "biggest recruitment drive since the Second World War" is underway.

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  4. Negotiations on staff and funding going well says ministerpublished at 10:39 Greenwich Mean Time 21 March 2018

    Tory MSP Oliver Mundell
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    Tory MSP Oliver Mundell requests a breakdown for the gap in staffing and funding levels.

    Ms Todd says the Scottish government and councils are at a crucial point in negotiations, which she says are going well.

    "I'm not going to negotiate this in public," she responds when Mr Mundell presses for more information.

    On the phasing in the policy, she explains the government has asked local authorities to target the communities which need free childcare most first.

    Childcare is not going to be transformed overnight, the minister says.

  5. Here are the funding disparities highlighted by Audit Scotlandpublished at 10:36 Greenwich Mean Time 21 March 2018

    £400 million– Scottish Government indicative allocation of capital funding available between 2018/19 and 2020/21 to provide 1,140 hours

    £690 million– Councils' initial estimate of capital funding needed between 2018/19 and 2020/21 to provide 1,140 hours

    Money and childImage source, PA/Getty

    £840 million– Scottish Government indicative figure for annual revenue funding available by 2021/22

    £1 billion– Councils' initial estimate of annual revenue spending on funded ELC by 2021/22

  6. Difference in funding estimates highlighted by councilspublished at 10:33 Greenwich Mean Time 21 March 2018

    Childcare and Early Learning Minister Maree Todd says we remain on track to deliver the expansion to 1,140 childcare hours.

    Committee convener James Dornan says there seems to be a big gap between the Scottish government and councils on funding and staffing.

    Ms Todd says it is wrong to say there is a funding gap.

    She says Audit Scotland have not analysed the government or the council estimates and she says work is underway to do that.

  7. Background: Auditor General concerned about nursery fundingpublished at 10:32 Greenwich Mean Time 21 March 2018

    childcareImage source, Thinkstock

    The public spending watchdog has questioned plans to fund increased nursery provision in Scotland.

    Audit Scotland said in a report there was a "significant risk" councils would not be able to resource a planned expansion.

    The Scottish government has promised to almost double the annual hours in paid-for nursery places to 1,140.

    In response to the report, the government repeated its pledge to fully fund the policy.

    Scroll down the page for Auditor General Caroline Gardner's thoughts on her report.

    Read more here.

  8. Government has a duty to be ambitious on childcare says the ministerpublished at 10:30 Greenwich Mean Time 21 March 2018

    Childcare Minister Maree Todd

    Childcare Minister Maree Todd says access to early learning and childcare and looked-after children sit at the heart of Scottish government policies.

    On the Audit Scotland report, she admits the expansion is "hugely ambitious" but argues it is the government's duty to be "hugely ambitious".

    Ms Todd expresses confidence the government is on track to deliver expansion.

    On care experienced young people, the minister confirms the government will "seize the opportunity to transform the life chances" of these children by engaging with the care review recommendations when they are delivered.

  9. And we're off........published at 10:27 Greenwich Mean Time 21 March 2018

    CommitteeImage source, bbc

    Committee convener James Dornan introduces:

    • Childcare and Early Years Minister Maree Todd
    • Michael Chalmers from the Scottish government
    • Joe Griffin from the Scottish government
    • Donald Henderson from the Scottish government

    The Committee will hear evidence on funded childcare and care experienced people.

    Read the committee papers here., external

  10. Ask the minister: Childcare..............published at 10:25 Greenwich Mean Time 21 March 2018

    This it the final Ask the Minister session...........this time on childcareImage source, bbc
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    This it the final Ask the Minister session...........this time on childcare

  11. Background: Council nurseries 'not open long enough' for working parentspublished at 10:24 Greenwich Mean Time 21 March 2018

    Campaigners say many families rely on grandparents to help with drop-off and pick-upImage source, Getty Images
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    Campaigners say many families rely on grandparents to help with drop-off and pick-up

    Council nurseries do not open long enough to support full time working parents, a campaign group has claimed.

    Fair Funding For Our Kids, external said only one in ten council-run centres provides the length of care to cover a full working day.

    The childcare group requested details on nursery opening hours from all of Scotland's 32 local authorities.

    Of 1,369 such centres, only 139 are open from 08:00 to 18:00 or longer, the Freedom of Information figures showed.

    Read more here.

  12. Green MSP queries new nursery infrastructurepublished at 10:23 Greenwich Mean Time 21 March 2018

    Audit Scotland's Tricia Meldrum
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    Audit Scotland's Tricia Meldrum

    Green MSP Ross Greer asks about infrastructure in terms of building new nurseries.

    Audit Scotland's Tricia Meldrum confirms this will likely be an issue.

    Mr Greer asks for a breakdown of the £400m figure to be provided for infrastructure, particularly with regard to councils building on land it already owns and needed to acquire more land.

    Ms Meldrum says there is not a breakdown available on how that £400m will be spent.

  13. Labour MSP asks about uptakepublished at 10:20 Greenwich Mean Time 21 March 2018

    Labour MSP Johann Lamont comes back to the inclusion of admin staff in figures, asking about any work done on support staff required for the expansion.

    Caroline Gardner says the support staff figures are more those who process applications from parents rather than those placed in nurseries.

    Ms Lamont raises the deficit in access to places, wondering if the Scottish government calculation is on the number of children in the system or whether it acknowledges space for those not accessing their entitlement.

    Audit Scotland's Rebecca Smallwood says the calculations for 1,140 free hours is based on population rather than uptake.

    Audit Scotland's Rebecca Smallwood
  14. Background: New childcare scheme for Scots parentspublished at 10:14 Greenwich Mean Time 21 March 2018

    A scheme to provide up to £2,000 towards the annual cost of childcare was to be available to Scots working families from mid-February.

    The UK Treasury said about 200,000 carers would be eligible for the support, which contributes towards the cost of children up to the age of 12.

    The scheme will see the UK government pay £2 into a childcare account for every £8 paid in by parents.

    ChildrenImage source, Getty Images

    Glitches in the HMRC website has caused problems for its rollout in England.

    The problems resulted in thousands of people in England struggling to either set up the tax-free accounts or access money they had already paid into them.

    The new scheme will replace employer-supported childcare, including "childcare vouchers", which are currently only available to parents if their employer offers it.

  15. Postpublished at 10:13 Greenwich Mean Time 21 March 2018

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  16. 'We can't get the information out unless we have it'published at 10:10 Greenwich Mean Time 21 March 2018

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    Committee convener James Dornan asks about breaking down barriers in information between the DWP, the government and councils.

    "We can't get the information out unless we have it."

    Anthony Clark from Audit Scotland suggests health visitor could be key.

  17. Are parents aware of their entitlement asks Tory MSPpublished at 10:06 Greenwich Mean Time 21 March 2018

    Tory MSP Liz Smith
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    Tory MSP Liz Smith asks about problems around data gathering.

    Rebecca Smallwood of Audit Scotland suggests the question may be better aimed at the Scottish government, but notes discussions are going on between it and the DWP.

    Ms Smith wonders if parents are aware of what their entitlement is and if local authorities have done enough to raise awareness.

    Caroline Gardner says some councils have done some good work on this, particularly around eligible two-year-olds.

    Audit Scotland's Tricia Meldrum highlights one of the reports recommendations was to ensure more parents are awareness of what they are entitled to.

  18. Auditor General warns childcare staff might not be in place in timepublished at 10:01 Greenwich Mean Time 21 March 2018

    Auditor General

    Labour MSP Mary Fee says "surely more staff will be needed" to deliver the expansion given the increased amount of children in the system.

    The Auditor General says the Scottish government figures are based on ratio calculations while council have used a model which scales up current arrangements.

    "We suspect Scottish government figures are on the low side", Ms Gardner says, warning it will struggle to get staff in place.

    This may make it difficult to get the childcare target of 1,140 in place by August 2020, she adds.

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  20. Committee questions differences between council and government figurespublished at 09:55 Greenwich Mean Time 21 March 2018

    Committee convener James Dornan asks for clarification on the difference between figures given by the Scottish government and councils.

    Ms Gardner says it is not surprising there is a difference as councils have worked it out from the bottom-up while government's does it top-down.

    Lib Dem MSP Tavish Scott
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    Lib Dem MSP Tavish Scott pivots to workforce number figure discrepancies.

    Audit Scotland's Rebecca Smallwood explains that council figures in the report include council staff who are admin staff, while government figures only takes practitioners into account.

    Different approaches to modelling have also been taken, she adds.