Summary

  • The Public Petitions Committee takes evidence on how public sector menus cater for vegans

  • Opposition leaders and backbench MSPs grill the first minister

  • An SNP MSP leads a member's debate marking World AIDs Day

  • MSPs debate the safe staffing bill for the first time

  1. Scallop dredgingpublished at 11:41 Greenwich Mean Time 6 December 2018

    Labour MSP Claudia Beamish asks about action to stop illegal scallop dredging.

  2. Coming up...................published at 11:33 Greenwich Mean Time 6 December 2018

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    After general questions, we will provide extensive coverage of first minister's questions.

    Then SNP MSP Emma Harper uses a member's debate slot to highlight World AIDS Day.

    After lunch, MSPs debate the Health and Care (Staffing) (Scotland) Bill for the first time.

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  4. Committee to write to Scottish and UK governments on multiple births and social securitypublished at 11:15 Greenwich Mean Time 6 December 2018

    Quadruplets

    The support for families with multiple births, external petition calls for better support for families who have multiple births (twins, triplets, etc).

    The committee agrees to write to both the UK and Scottish government for further information on social security and broader support (including whether a baby box for twins would be beneficial).

    The convener closes the committee.

  5. MSPs to invite Pest and Managment Alliance to provide evidence on glue trapspublished at 11:08 Greenwich Mean Time 6 December 2018

    A sticky substance is placed on feeders and surrounding vegetation to create a glue trapImage source, RSPCA
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    A sticky substance is placed on feeders and surrounding vegetation to create a glue trap

    The Sale and use of glue traps, external petition calls for the ban of their use to trap wild animals.

    MSPs agree to invite the Pest and Managment Alliance to to provide evidence to the committee.

    A sticky substance is placed on feeders and surrounding vegetation to create a glue trapImage source, RSPCA
  6. Committee closes petition on energy drink sales to under 16spublished at 11:04 Greenwich Mean Time 6 December 2018

    Energy drinksImage source, SPL

    The sale and marketing of energy drinks to under sixteens, external is the next petition to be considered.

    Tory MSP Brian Whittle says usually he is sceptical of legislation to force a change in behaviour, he accepts this is an endemic problem.

    He welcomes that the Scottish government is conducting an in-depth study and recommends the petition be closed.

    The committee duly does so.

  7. Committee to contact government over Rest and Be Thankful landslidespublished at 10:59 Greenwich Mean Time 6 December 2018

    Teams have been working to carry out repairs to the debris fences above the A83Image source, BEAR SCOTLAND
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    Teams have been working to carry out repairs to the debris fences above the A83

    On the Permanent solution to the A83, external petition, MSPs agree to write to the government, following the closure of the Old Military Road at the Rest and Be Thankful in Argyll after a series of landslides in October.

    Heavy rain and strong winds caused the landslips which forced the closure of both the A83 and the Old Military Road.

  8. MSPs agree to contact government over soul and conscience letterspublished at 10:53 Greenwich Mean Time 6 December 2018

    CourtImage source, Scottish Court Service

    MSPs now consider soul and conscience letters., external

    This petition urges the Scottish government to review the use of soul and conscience letters in criminal proceedings and to produce guidance for the courts and GP practices on the use of these letters, including alternatives to court appearances if an accused person is deemed unfit to attend in person.

    The committee convener says the petitioner says doctors do not have a good enough understanding of what they are being asked to write.

    Tory MSP Brian Whittle suggests writing to the Scottish government and the Crown Office and Procurator Fiscal Service, to find out about abuse of the court system.

    Convener Johann Lamont says the role of the GP in this would be important to establish and the committee agrees to also write to the BMA and the Law Society.

  9. Committee to write to government on community hospitalspublished at 10:46 Greenwich Mean Time 6 December 2018

    The planned design of a new community hospital in AviemoreImage source, OBERLANDER ARCHITECTS/RURAL DESIGN ARCHITECTS
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    The planned design of a new community hospital in Aviemore

    Committee members agree it may be worthwhile for the Scottish government to re-examine the need for community and cottage hospitals, noting in particular concerns about delayed discharge.

    The committee agrees to write to the Scottish government.

  10. MSPs to contact health boards and local authorities over vegan petitionpublished at 10:29 Greenwich Mean Time 6 December 2018

    Committee convener Johann LamontImage source, bbc
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    Committee convener Johann Lamont

    Committee convener Johann Lamont says she understands the Portuguese law provides an opt-out in the provision of vegan food when there is no demand.

    Mr Banahan says the opt-out is only in very rare cases where zero demand can be demonstrated and that would not be the best way to go in Scotland.

    Ms Lamont asks if demand could not drive the public sector like the private sector.

    The Vegan Society argues the demand is there and is skewed towards the younger generations.

    The committee convener suggests the committee get more information on this petition and MSPs suggest writing to public sector food providers, health boards and local authorities.

    That is agreed, as is writing to the Scottish government on the issue.

  11. Diets must change to meet 1.5C target on climate change says Vegan Societypublished at 10:26 Greenwich Mean Time 6 December 2018

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    SNP MSP Angus Macdonald says he understands the Good Food Nation Bill has not been dropped but will be incorporated into an Agriculture Bill.

    Turning to the environment, Mr Macdonald notes the benefits of reducing demand for meat.

    Mr Banahan says there is no way to meet the 1.5C targets if the livestock industry does not reduce emissions.

    Even a free-range, pasture fed cow causes significant damage the environment, he adds.

    Diets are changing but not enough to meet the targets the Scottish government has committed to, he warns.

  12. People having to rely on friends and families for vegan food in hospitalspublished at 10:21 Greenwich Mean Time 6 December 2018

    Barbara Bolton of Go Vegan Scotland says when you are going into hospital you can't make plans in advance.

    People are having to rely on friends and families, or helpful nurses going to the shop and that's not an inclusive society, Ms Bolton adds.

    In schools parents are being told their children will not be provided for, she explains, citing a mother who is getting "push back" on trying to get vegan meals for her daughter.

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    Is there enough substantive evidence to suggest local authorities are not committing to this, asks Ms Hamilton.

    Ms Bolton replies she'd love to see a statement on this issue from every local authority.

    She adds that there has been a very long lead into the proposed Good Food Nation Bill and adds she does not wish to see this kicked into the long grass.

  13. What would the extra costs be?published at 10:18 Greenwich Mean Time 6 December 2018

    Tory MSP Rachael Hamilton
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    Tory MSP Rachael Hamilton

    Tory MSP Rachael Hamilton says many public and private sector bodies are having to cater to a range of needs, such as gluten-free, kosher and halal.

    She wonders about the costs of providing all these options and training staff to be able to provide them.

    The Vegan Society's Mark Banahan insists it does not have to cost more and "it can actually be cheaper".

    He points to schools doing meat-free Mondays and finding it saves money, which has been used to purchase locally-sourced food.

    Studies have indicated vegan options are 40% cheaper than non-vegan food, Mr Banahan says.

    He is uncertain about the costs for hospitals and of staff training, but offers to get this information to the committee later.

  14. Understanding of veganism would improve if accepted as fundamental convictionpublished at 10:15 Greenwich Mean Time 6 December 2018

    Ms Bolton says it is important to clarify veganism is not just about diet but also recognising that animals are alive and should not be killed for you for any reason.

    Every vegan is plant-based, but not everyone who follows a plant-based diet is a vegan, explains the lawyer.

    Mr Banahan says this petition is about providing vegan food in public settings and people who have gone vegan for health reasons would still require it.

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    Committee convener Johann Lamont asks about misunderstanding and misinformation.

    Ms Bolton replies most people think it is just about diet and a personal choice, and if people understand that it is someone doing their best to avoid animal exploitation or the killing of animals, that would change.

    She says if people accepted veganism was like any other fundamental conviction, religious or non-religious, then their might be more understanding.

  15. Call for more education on nutritionpublished at 10:12 Greenwich Mean Time 6 December 2018

    Mr Whittle

    Mr Whittle expresses concern about the lack of knowledge around nutrition to be able to provide suitable meals in schools.

    Mark Banahan agrees more must be done in education and on increasing awareness - though he adds this does not just apply for vegan diets.

    Childhood obesity is a real issue and that isn't from eating vegan food, he highlights.

    A vegan diet can help with heart disease, type 2 diabetes and other conditions Mr Banahan says.

    Ms Bolton says the vegan parents tend to be much more knowledgeable about non-vegan parents on this.

  16. Call for all school pupils to have access to vegan menuspublished at 10:08 Greenwich Mean Time 6 December 2018

    witnessesImage source, bbc

    Tory MSP Brian Whittle asks at what age should school children have access to vegan school meals.

    "At all ages," replies Barbara Bolton.

    Mr Whittle points out it can take a lot of application to maintain a healthy vegan diet without supplements.

    Mr Banahan disputes this and says they have a dietitian who can provide meal plans.

    Vitamin B12 may require a supplement, but in calorific intake there would be no issue, he elucidates.

    Germany's strongest man is a vegan and has no difficulty getting the huge muscles he has, adds Barbara Bolton.

    She adds Vitamin B12 supplement is necessary for everyone now due to soil depletion.

  17. Perception that all vegans are affluent 'not the case' - Go Vegan Scotlandpublished at 10:05 Greenwich Mean Time 6 December 2018

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    Veganism is not just for the middle classes, insists Go Vegan Scotland

    Ms Bolton says there is still a perception that "vegans are affluent and are eating avocados every day".

    That's not the case, she insists.

    She reiterates her opinion it is not fair that children who would be eligible for free school meals cannot get them.