Summary

  • MSPs pass a motion to say there are serious concerns about the performance of the NHS

  • In a Scottish Labour-led debate, the motion by the party's health spokeswoman Monica Lennon passed by 62 votes to 58

  • An amendment from Conservative health spokesman Miles Briggs, saying more work was needed on providing "holistic" care to NHS staff, passed unanimously

  • Health Secretary Jeanne Freeman's amendment fell

  1. 'I believe this is a fair settlement'published at 11:20 Greenwich Mean Time 19 February 2020

    Local authorities have more autonomy. We have cut ringfencing, says Ms Forbes.

    There are pressures around social care and teacher's inflationary pay, which we've allowed for.

    "I believe this is a fair settlement that meets our joint core commitments."

    Local Government Secretary Aileen Campbell adds there'd be more money if the Scottish government didn't have to offset Westminster cuts.

  2. Forbes insists she has funded government commitmentspublished at 11:17 Greenwich Mean Time 19 February 2020

    Committee convener James Dornan says Cosla and Solace say there is a shortfall in the budget.

    Finance Secretary Kate Forbes reiterates there is a real terms increase of 3%, or £494.4m

    The equivalent real terms figure is £303, she adds.

    The minister says the figures she cites are about the overall funding revenue available to councils compared to last year, with cash and real term figures increasing.

    The minister insists she has funded government commitments on teacher's pay, early learning and childcare and social care.

  3. Councils getting £495m extra in budget says ministerpublished at 11:13 Greenwich Mean Time 19 February 2020

    Kate Forbes

    Finance Secretary Kate Forbes speaks of budget challenges, saying there are implications to publishing the Scottish budget ahead of the Westminster budget,

    It's based on the Tory party manifesto from the election, she says.

    The funding package for local authorities is £11.3bn - an increase of £494.4m - a real terms increase of 3%, she says.

  4. Background: Kate Forbes appointed new Scottish finance secretarypublished at 11:08 Greenwich Mean Time 19 February 2020

    Kate Forbes was formerly public finance minister, but has now been promotedImage source, Getty Images
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    Kate Forbes was formerly public finance minister, but has now been promoted

    Kate Forbes has been appointed as the Scottish government's new finance secretary following the resignation of Derek Mackay.

    The 29-year-old became the first woman to set out a budget at Holyrood or Westminster when she stepped in for Mr Mackay earlier this month.

    In a reshuffle of Nicola Sturgeon's cabinet, Fiona Hyslop will now take on extra responsibility for the economy.

    Jenny Gilruth has joined the government as Europe minister.

    Ms Sturgeon said the appointments "bring new talent into government and deliver a real focus, not only on driving forward our economy, but also on addressing the challenges of Brexit, increasing our population and ending Scotland's contribution to the climate crisis".

  5. Background: Scottish government and Cosla disagree on local government fundingpublished at 11:05 Greenwich Mean Time 19 February 2020

    The Scottish government says:

    "Local authorities will receive total funding from the Scottish Government of £11.3 billion in 2020-21.

    "The settlement provides councils with an increase in day to day revenue spending of £494 million, fully funds all Scottish Government commitments and provides an additional £100 million for social care, including a contribution of £25 million to ensure all care staff are paid the living wage."

    "Local authorities will again have the flexibility to increase council tax levels by up to three per cent in real terms, providing up to an additional £135 million to help deliver essential local services."

    However Cosla, Solace and CIPFA say:

    SubmissionsImage source, Scottish Parliament

    Read more of their joint submission in the committee papers here., external

  6. Local government secretary outlines budget linespublished at 11:04 Greenwich Mean Time 19 February 2020

    Local Government and Communities Secretary Aileen CampbellImage source, bbc
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    Local Government and Communities Secretary Aileen Campbell

    Local Government and Communities Secretary Aileen Campbell begins outlining budget lines including:

    • £21m for the Scottish Child Payment
    • new infrastructure funds of £843m to deliver affordable homes
    • a further £300m to ensure delivery of affordable homes after the 50,000 target is met
  7. Finance and local government secretaries up next...published at 11:02 Greenwich Mean Time 19 February 2020

    The panel

    Committee convener James Dornan welcomes:

    • Finance Secretary Kate Forbes
    • Local Government and Communities Secretary Aileen Campbell
  8. Confused about council funding? Here's analysis from SPICepublished at 11:00 Greenwich Mean Time 19 February 2020

    SPICeImage source, SPICe
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    SPICe total allocation of local government funding

    Cosla and a number of MSPs have referred to the debate on council funding as an "annual dance" this morning, with disagreement as to whether there's more cash or less in the budget for local government.

    SPICe have produced a summary and analysis of the local government budget for 2020-21, and the provisional allocations to local authorities, external.

    First, using the numbers in the budget document:

    • The combined general revenue grant + non-domestic rates income figure (i.e. the amount of money to deliver services over which local authorities have control) falls slightly in real terms in 2020-21, by 0.2%, or by £15.0 million.
    • Once specific, ring-fenced resource grants are included, then the combined figure for the resource budget increases by 1.8% in real terms, or by £174.6 million
    • The total capital budget sees a decrease in real terms this year, of 30.9%, or £334.8 million, mostly driven by a decrease in general (as opposed to specific) support for capital.
    • In this briefing there is an update of some of the historic calculations from 2013-14 to 2020-21 – this shows local government revenue budget reduced by 3.8% in real terms (or -£404.8 million), but the Scottish government's fiscal resource budget limit from HM Treasury, plus NDRI, increased in real terms over the same period, by 2.6% (or £795.2 million)
  9. What impact has Brexit has?published at 10:56 Greenwich Mean Time 19 February 2020

    Sarah Boyack asks about the impact of Brexit.

    Councils have been very good at being reactive and proactive throughout the entire Brexit process and they will continue to be so, replies Ms Macgregor.

    David Robertson from Solace adds they are fully aware of the potential impact of Brexit in terms of, for example, care workers.

    The committee draws to a close.

  10. Funding for climate change policiespublished at 10:55 Greenwich Mean Time 19 February 2020

    The committee

    Conservative MSP Graham Simpson asks which council hasn't made cuts.

    CIPFA's Jim Boyle says Clackmannashire hasn't made cuts, he thinks, but they haven't set their budget so that could change.

    Green MSP Andy Wightman asks about talks with the Scottish government, and whether they've been successful.

    I sincerely hope so, replies Ms MacGregor.

    Labour's Sarah Boyack asks about climate change policies - citing heating, cycling, buses etc. and the disconnect.

    Vicky Bibbi from Cosla says councils are looking to deliver services in a greener way, saying detailed discussions are yet to be had with the government, and says funding is still a grey area.

  11. Legal ringfencing versus policy promisespublished at 10:47 Greenwich Mean Time 19 February 2020

    Annabelle Ewing

    The SNP's Annabelle Ewing says we should recall austerity in all this.

    What can be cut, she asks, perhaps the climate justice fund?

    Councillor Gail Macgregor says there are things we can look at, probably programmes which are not devolved to the Scottish parliament.

    We're just trying to our job, and we're trying to be flexible, says Ms Macgregor.

    Ms Ewing pivots to ringfenced funding, and questions Cosla complaints about increased ringfencing.

    Legal ringfencing is about 8%, but policy promises raises that significantly, answers Ms Macgregor.

  12. Tory MSP warns some councils may 'implode'published at 10:39 Greenwich Mean Time 19 February 2020

    Tory MSP Alexander StewartImage source, bbc
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    Tory MSP Alexander Stewart

    Mr Stewart says you can only use reserves and go so far before some councils "implode".

    David Robertson from Solace replies the government could adopt three year budgets to give more certainty.

    Committee convener James Dornan agrees with three year budgets but points out the difficulty caused by the delay to the UK government's budget.

  13. 'The cracks are beginning to show'published at 10:33 Greenwich Mean Time 19 February 2020

    Tory MSP Alexander Stewart asks if the Scottish government is paying councils the money they promised.

    There are £590m of new policy commitments, and £495m to pay for that, answers Gail Macgregor.

    "The cracks are beginning to show," she adds, saying councils now have less local automony to spend the money where they see fit.

  14. Background: Scottish councils 'need extra £1bn' to prevent further cutspublished at 10:26 Greenwich Mean Time 19 February 2020

    Social care workers offer a vital service for the elderlyImage source, Getty Images
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    Social care workers offer a vital service for the elderly

    Councils have called for an extra billion pounds from the Scottish government to stop cuts to local services.

    The local government umbrella body Cosla says the government must "invest in councils before it is too late".

    It also says there should be no government-imposed limits on council tax rises.

    The Scottish government says it has done its best for councils despite "UK government cuts".

    Read more here.

  15. Cosla says social care is a 'ticking timebomb'published at 10:24 Greenwich Mean Time 19 February 2020

    Andy Wightman
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    Green MSP Andy Wightman

    Jim Boyle turns to social care, saying pressures on integrated boards are struggling.

    He says there is a gap between what the government is paying, and the actual costs - calling them a bottomless pit.

    Green MSP Andy Wightman asks about the level of demand.

    Ms Macgregor calls it a ticking time bomb, saying demand will rise by 3.5% over the next 3 years.

    "We need to have a serious discussion with government," she says, adding that recruitment is getting harder.

    David Robertson says Borders council has to build two care homes just to stand still.

  16. Cosla expect government to fully fund new commitments in budgetspublished at 10:19 Greenwich Mean Time 19 February 2020

    Green MSP Andy Wightman turns again to the Scottish government's pledge to fully fund its budget commitments

    Ms Macgregror says this pledge has come in a number of forms in terms of funding teacher's pay, early learning and childcare and additional support needs.

    She adds, in terms of government commitments to fully fund new policies: "Certainly the big figures we've had in blood."

    Gail MacGregor

    Vicki Bibby says Cosla is calling for clarity about the baseline budget.

    Mr Wightman asks if Cosla is going to the government saying this is a contract it has signed, saying they cannot deliver £590m of policy commitments unless there is £590m.

    Ms Macgregor replies it may be necessary to sit down and have a very serious discussion about our joint commitments and what may have to drop off the list.

    We expect the government to honour its pledge to fully fund its new commitments, which at the moment are "not in good faith fully funded."

  17. Funding issue over early learning programmepublished at 10:17 Greenwich Mean Time 19 February 2020

    Vicki Bibby

    Mr Simpson asks whether the money's emerged for the learning estates programme.

    Mr Boyle says preparations for added nursery care is progressing well. The issue has been on the capital, he adds, saying councils are having to upgrade facilities.

    Ms Bibby tells the committee that councils will get funding for upkeep of schools, but not building them.

    Discussions will need to had with the government, because councils won't have upfront capital, she adds.

  18. Analysis: No extra cash for budget dealspublished at 10:15 Greenwich Mean Time 19 February 2020

    Douglas Fraser
    Scotland business & economy editor

    The sofa of Scottish government budgeting has been thoroughly rifled. All possible hiding places for stashes of cash, for use in a potential budget deal with opposition MSPs, have been cleaned out.

    There's nothing stuffed down the back, insists stand-in finance secretary Kate Forbes. "Every available penny is on the face of the budget." No, this is not like previous years, she tells a sceptical Tory, Murdo Fraser.

    So if opposition parties have more for councils at the top of their list of demands, the stand-in finance secretary says they're going to have to say where it comes from.

    This was the public message to Holyrood's finance and constitution committee, ahead of private meetings with representatives of Conservatives, Greens, Liberal Democrats and the Convention of Scottish Local Authorities. Labour's team is scheduled to meet her next week.

  19. Councils need about £300m extra to 'just stand still'published at 10:10 Greenwich Mean Time 19 February 2020

    How much more than the £95m is needed, asks Mr Simpson.

    Ms Macgregor says due to inflation and the shortfall, to enable councils to just stand still, we need about £300m extra.

    "We're still very much in a cuts situation."

  20. CIPFA would be surprised if any council does not make cutspublished at 10:04 Greenwich Mean Time 19 February 2020

    Jim Boyle

    Tory MSP Graham Simpson asks where councils are in terms of their budgets.

    If all councils are planning to increase council tax to the max will they all have to make cuts, asks Mr Simpson.

    Jim Boyle from CIPFA replies yes and goes on to say he would be very surprised if there are any councils not factoring in a savings programme for next year.

    He would also be surprised if any council did not raise council tax to the maximum allowed.