Summary

  • Vaughan Gething and Jeremy Miles are engaged in a contest to lead Welsh Labour

  • Voting has begun to choose Mark Drakeford's replacement and his successor will be announced on 16 March

  • The two candidates faced questions from a live studio audience broadcast live on BBC One Wales on Wednesday evening

  • They faced questions about the NHS, 20mph speed limits and the recent farming protests among others

  1. Bye for nowpublished at 22:48 Greenwich Mean Time 21 February

    That's it for our live coverage of the BBC Wales Live Special debate between the two candidates to be Wales’ next first minister.

    This evening’s page was edited by Caleb Spencer, and the writers were Oliver Slow, David Deans and Rowenna Hoskin.

    There are still several weeks until the winner is announced, and you can follow all the latest developments in Welsh politics on the BBC website.

  2. What happened in the debate?published at 22:40 Greenwich Mean Time 21 February

    The debate between Vaughan Gething and Jeremy Miles, who are battling to become Wales' next first minister, has just ended, and here are some of the main developments:

    • The candidates were asked about issues with the NHS in Wales, particularly around the junior strikes currently taking place over pay. Miles said greater NHS funding is needed, and that it's important to listen to what the doctors are saying, while Gething said a new UK government budget in the coming weeks could mean there are more funds available
    • Attention then turned to the 20mph speed limit on some roads in Wales, which has attracted criticism in some quarters. Both candidates acknowledged that the government did not get everything right on the policy, notably communication, but that they believed most people in Wales broadly support the proposed changes
    • Both candidates also said they understand the concerns of farmers, who are currently protesting in Wales over planned changes to farming subsidies. Gething said it’s important to listen to what the farmers have to say, while Miles spoke of the importance of ensuring economic growth in the agricultural sector while meeting Wales’ climate targets
    • Other issues raised in the debate included issues around the Port Talbot steelworks, investment in Wales' education sector and their respective visions for the future of Wales, which they said focussed on prosperity and fairness
  3. ICYMI: Candidates grilled on 20mph reviewpublished at 22:32 Greenwich Mean Time 21 February

    In case you missed it, here's how both candidates spoke about one of the hottest topics on the agenda - the new 20mph speed limits:

    This Twitter post cannot be displayed in your browser. Please enable Javascript or try a different browser.View original content on Twitter
    The BBC is not responsible for the content of external sites.
    Skip twitter post

    Allow Twitter content?

    This article contains content provided by Twitter. We ask for your permission before anything is loaded, as they may be using cookies and other technologies. You may want to read Twitter’s cookie policy, external and privacy policy, external before accepting. To view this content choose ‘accept and continue’.

    The BBC is not responsible for the content of external sites.
    End of twitter post
  4. What have the opposition parties said?published at 22:26 Greenwich Mean Time 21 February

    Speaking on a Radio Wales News Special, Sam Rowlands, Welsh Conservative Member of the Senedd (MS) for North Wales, called the debate "pretty depressing".

    Heledd Fychan, Plaid Cymru MS for South Wales Central, similarly said the debate was "disappointing".

    Both politicians say they heard Gethin and Miles repeatedly say they would listen to the public, but both have been ministers for years.

    Rowlands said: "They just need to deliver rather than sit around on their hands."

    Ms Fychan added she "heard few ideas of substance" and that it was clear whoever is in charge "will always have to take orders from Keir Starmer".

  5. ICYMI: Debate kicked off with doctors' pay discussionpublished at 22:18 Greenwich Mean Time 21 February

    In case you missed it, here's a look back at how the debate kicked off with the first question on doctors' pay:

    This Twitter post cannot be displayed in your browser. Please enable Javascript or try a different browser.View original content on Twitter
    The BBC is not responsible for the content of external sites.
    Skip twitter post

    Allow Twitter content?

    This article contains content provided by Twitter. We ask for your permission before anything is loaded, as they may be using cookies and other technologies. You may want to read Twitter’s cookie policy, external and privacy policy, external before accepting. To view this content choose ‘accept and continue’.

    The BBC is not responsible for the content of external sites.
    End of twitter post
  6. Candidates wrap up with vision of hopepublished at 22:16 Greenwich Mean Time 21 February

    The debate ends with the candidates being asked what they would do to improve the lives of people in Wales.

    Jeremy Miles promises to make Wales “a more prosperous country”, where living standards will be raised and poverty driven down.

    Vaughan Gething says he wants people to feel hope for the future, and for the country’s future.

    “I want Wales to be a country with a hope and ambition; a Wales that is confident, prosperous and fairer,” he says.

  7. A conciliatory tone at end of debatepublished at 22:11 Greenwich Mean Time 21 February

    Vaughan Gething, Bethan Rhys Roberts and Jeremy Miles smiling

    As the debate nears the end, host Bethan Rhys Roberts asks the candidates what they admire most about each other.

    Mr Gething describes Mr Miles as “really intelligent”, saying he takes a “searching view” on issues before him.

    He adds that Miles is “really good company”, and asked if he would offer his rival a job were he to be successful in the leadership race, Gething says: “Of course."

    The conciliatory tone continues, with Miles saying he would both offer Mr Gething a job, and take a one in his government if he wins.

    Miles says he likes Gething “very much” and describes them as “good colleagues in a government with shared values”.

  8. Wales should 'continue to be nation of sanctuary'published at 22:07 Greenwich Mean Time 21 February

    The candidates were asked about their commitments to refugees.

    Jeremy Miles said he wants Wales to "continue to be a nation of sanctuary" where anyone who comes to live in Wales feels they can belong here.

    Vaughan Gething was asked about a call from the UK government for Wales to have more hotels for asylum seekers.

    He asked if Home Secretary James Cleverly was prepared to "work seriously with us to invest in community to make sure people can get the welcome they deserve".

  9. Pisa results were 'disappointing', says Milespublished at 22:05 Greenwich Mean Time 21 February

    Jeremy Miles says the Pisa (Program for International Student Assessment) results were "disappointing", both globally and for Wales.

    The December results saw Wales score the lowest of all UK nations.

    He said there was an improvement since 2018 across all three domains - mathematics, reading and science.

    Miles says he would focus on numeracy and literacy and working with the OECD, which runs the programme to "reform our education system more broadly".

    He said this work has been "underway for a number of years" but it had not "borne fruit in time for the Pisa result".

  10. First friction as Gething defends campaign donationpublished at 22:01 Greenwich Mean Time 21 February

    Gareth Lewis
    Political Editor, BBC Wales

    The first bit of friction between the two men.

    Mr Gething insists that all is above board and declared in the proper way, after it emerged he accepted £200,000 in donations from a company whose director was given a suspended jail sentence for dumping illegal waste.

    Mr Miles declines to pass comment on the donation, but does take the opportunity to point out that – in his view – his manifesto promises “stringent” environmental regulations.

    That goes for both manifestos, Mr Gething interjects. The atmosphere feels a little icy.

  11. Miles 'very proud' of record on educationpublished at 21:57 Greenwich Mean Time 21 February

    Next up, Miles, who is Wales’ education minister, is asked if he is proud of Wales’s education system, and says the funding spent on refurbishing schools is unmatched in the UK and that he’s “very proud of that”.

    “But I absolutely recognise that isn’t the experience of every pupil in every school,” he adds.

  12. Miles declines opportunity to criticise Gething on £200k donationpublished at 21:54 Greenwich Mean Time 21 February

    Vaughan Gething was asked about a breaking story from this evening, where it has emerged he has received £200,000 from a company run by a man who has been convicted of environmental offences.

    Mr Gething told the debate that "all donations are checked and then filed properly with the Electoral Commission and indeed declared to the Senedd.

    A company connected to the same individual has been subject to action by regulators in Pembrokeshire over a site where there have been smell complaints.

    Mr Gething said the issue in Pembrokeshire “is being resolved”.

    Mr Miles did not comment on the donation - saying it was a matter for Mr Gething. Both vowed to have strong environmental regulations.

    The debate in the studio
  13. Both candidates say they understand farmers' concernspublished at 21:51 Greenwich Mean Time 21 February

    The next question from the audience relates to the farmers’ protests taking place across Wales, and they are asked how they would address the concerns that farmers have.

    Vaughan Gething says that he grew up in a rural community and that he understands their concerns, adding it’s important to sit down with the farmers and listen to what they have to say.

    He adds the consultation is continuing and that it’s important for the government to be flexible in their approach.

    Miles similarly says he understands the concerns of farmers, and that it’s important to ensure the agricultural sector sees strong economic growth, while climate targets are met.

    “We need to make sure dialogue continues,” he says, adding that flexibility on behalf of the government is important.

  14. A stitch up at Unite?published at 21:45 Greenwich Mean Time 21 February

    The candidates were asked if the Unite union nomination for Mr Gething - where Mr Miles was invited for a hustings despite not being eligible for the endorsement - was a stitch-up.

    Mr Gething did not agree – he said he had accepted the result of “every trade union” in the contest.

    Despite Mr Miles having protested at the time, he was not keen to wade in too much.

    He said it was not about who the union nominated.

    “I’m really not looking to say any more about it," Mr Miles says.

  15. What do the candidates say about steel?published at 21:40 Greenwich Mean Time 21 February

    The candidates are then asked about Tata Steel’s plans to close the blast furnaces at Port Talbot, which would cost thousands of jobs.

    Miles says that steel is “fundamental for the Welsh economy”, and calls for innovation in the steel industry in order to keep it alive.

    He adds that Labour is prepared to invest specifically in steel, and is putting together an industrial strategy for the first time in 14 years.

    Gething says there is “anxiety and anger” about the proposals, and that while there are still blast furnaces in Port Talbot as well as the potential for a new UK government in the form of Labour, then the conversation should be kept alive about continuing with work there.

  16. 20mph issue stirs lively debate, as expectedpublished at 21:36 Greenwich Mean Time 21 February

    Gareth Lewis
    Political Editor, BBC Wales

    audience at Welsh Labour leadership debate

    If you’re reading this page outside of Wales you might be wondering why one of the questions - and a healthy audience debate - is about a speed limit.

    It has been a hot topic since the Welsh government changed the law last September.

    Most roads that were 30mph are now 20mph.

    Both candidates have promised a review of the guidelines issued to local councils, who decide where to apply the new limit.

    About 469,000 people have signed a petition calling for the law to be scrapped.

  17. No new M4 relief road from Gething or Milespublished at 21:33 Greenwich Mean Time 21 February

    There's no prospect of the M4 relief road being resurrected under either candidate.

    “The truth is that ship has sailed," Mr Gething said.

    “We don’t have the money to do it”.

    What about if Keir Starmer gave him the cash? “No," Mr Gething said, before saying he is publicly backing the Cardiff Parkway railway project. "I think its a good idea."

    For Mr Miles, it's not about the funds.

    "It's about the environmental impact," he says.

    The candidates debating
  18. Miles says he will listen on 20mph, but won't reverse policypublished at 21:28 Greenwich Mean Time 21 February

    Jeremy Miles says it’s important for the government to take “full account” of the economic impact of the policy, adding that it’s “essential” to grow the economy in Wales sustainably.

    He adds that it’s important to listen to what people have to say on the issue, including listening to those who “don’t feel heard”.

    This, he says, includes those that feel the speed limit in their area should not be as low as 20mph, as well as those who would like the speed limit in their areas to be lower than it currently is.

    “It’s important that we give people an opportunity to feed that back,” he says, adding that he is not looking to reverse the policy.

  19. Most people want slower streets, says Gethingpublished at 21:26 Greenwich Mean Time 21 February

    The candidates are then asked if they would review the economic impact of the default 20mph on roads in built up areas, which has attracted criticism in some quarters in Wales.

    Vaughan Gething says that he has been knocking on doors, and that most places he has gone it is an issue that has come up.

    He adds that most people he speaks to support the broad policy, because they “want to see slower streets”, and want them to be safe, particularly for children.

    However, he acknowledges there are things the government could have done differently, including the communication and the implementation.

    “It’s about listening, not lecturing,” he adds.

  20. Call for health investment gets first applausepublished at 21:23 Greenwich Mean Time 21 February

    Gareth Lewis
    Political Editor, BBC Wales

    First round of applause. Not for either candidate. But for a healthcare worker in the audience who suggests more money needs to be spent on health rather than extra Senedd members.

    A bill going through the Welsh Parliament would see an increase from 60 to 96.

    The question is picked up by Jeremy Miles, who doesn’t address the issue of more politicians.