Dundee

We asked for your views on Dundee's 3-2 defeat against Kilmarnock.

Here's what some of you said:

Darren: Need to drop Jon McCracken. He has been at fault a few times this season. Trevor Carson needs to be brought in to steady the defence. We have a young defence so between Carson and Finlay Robertson that should hopefully help.

Gavin: Another week of conceding two or more goals and throwing away a good lead. Can't blame a red card for conceding three goals in the last five minutes. That's poor game management. I think this might be a long season for Dundee fans unless we sort this out very quickly!

Brian: Manager is correct on the referee who was absolutely abysmal again, he is costing our club points and really is not good enough. As for the game, we were comfortable until yet again the goalkeeper makes his usual error or two, shocking he is in the Scotland squad, as for Lyall Cameron he appears to be out of sorts this season.

Steven: Substitutions were baffling to me. For a start, we're 2-0 up, guaranteed every other manager in the league puts Josh Mulligan on for an attacker and tells him to sit. Who takes off a defender at 2-2 with backs to the wall in that situation? Sad to say but Tony Docherty's coat is on a shaky hook right now.

Flynn: We really need to fix this defence, every game this season in the league we have conceded two or more goals. It is still early on in the season but we really need to start picking up some points. If we don't, we could be in for a relegation battle this season if we continue struggling in defence.

Ricky: This is happening too often, we look as though we are going to get a positive result and bang, we shoot ourselves in the foot all the time. Docherty needs to do something with this defence, it's the same old story gifting goals to the opposition, it's going to cost our position in the league at this rate!

Craig: Dundee failed to manage the game. Keeper made a mistake on the first goal and momentum shook our young team. Ultimately the referee made an unforgivable wrong decision sending off our key player Mo Sylla when he was obviously fouled by the Killie player - regardless of whether he hurt himself in the process. Shocking refereeing. Worst I've seen.

Gary: Yet again defensive errors and managerial inaction cost us. Dundee were doing fine, albeit clinging on before Killie's first, defending on their 18-yard line. Derek McInnes made his substitutions and grabbed the momentum to change the game, meanwhile Docherty once again misses what's obvious so the opposition dictate rather than doing anything to counter it.

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• Tony Docherty's side have lost five points from winning positions in the league this season, only Dundee United (six) and St Mirren (seven) have lost more.

• Kilmarnock have won after trailing at half-time away from home in the Premiership for the first time since 20 October 2018 against St Mirren (38 games without a win after trailing at half-time).

• Killie have won after conceding the opening goal in the league for the first time since 16 March 2024 against St Mirren (eight games without a win).

• Derek McInnes' side have won six points from losing positions in the top flight this season, more than any other team.

• Kilmarnock have defeated Dundee for the first time in the Premiership since 15 December 2018, a run of five games without a win.

Matty Kennedy's 94th-minute strike completed Kilmarnock's incredible turnaround at Dens Park after they trailed 10-man Dundee by two goals with 10 minutes to go.

The late goal also gave Kilmarnock their first win of the season after a run of seven games without a victory.

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Dundee boss Tony Docherty told BBC Scotland: "It's the second time we've had this referee [Grant Irvine] making a mistake that changes the course of the game.

"We were so comfortable, justified in our 1-0 lead, and if anything Kilmarnock only gave us issues from free-kicks we gave away.

"Mo Sylla makes a challenge, he doesn't even know Matty Kennedy is behind him, he raises his arms - as you do to win a ball. The referee's line of vision is impaired, I don't think he sees it, but reacts to the player on the floor. It's never a sending off, it's never a booking.

"I think they should [look at the rule that doesn't allow VAR to intervene on second yellow cards]. It has such a significant impact on the game. We were comfortable at 11 v 11. We shouldn't lose the game.

"The referee was so quick. He's made the wrong decision there. I need to be careful what I say, but it impacts the game and I'm really disappointed.

"It was the perfect counter-attacking performance. We scored in the 81st minute and I'm thinking, just see the game out. We need to be strong. Really disappointed with that and it's something we'll look at internally."

Andrew Petrie
BBC Sport Scotland

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Dundee lost more points from winning positions last season than any other side in the Premiership. 25, if you were wondering. Had they held on to them, they would have been finished fourth by a distance.

That frailty has come back to bite them again.

Yes, they were perhaps harshly done by when Sylla was sent off, but for most of the second half they weathered that storm and had a few chances to score earlier than they did.

Lyall Cameron had a terrific day, until the 94th minute when his terrible clearance allowed Kilmarnock one last chance. Those tired mistakes are continuing to cost them this season.

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Lyall Cameron. Yes, the midfielder made a mistake right at the end of the game, but he was the bright spark throughout for Dundee and set up the first goal brilliantly.

There was doubts about how Dundee would respond to the loss of Luke McCowan but it has allowed 21-year-old Cameron to step up and be the main man in midfield.

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Dundee: McCracken, Portales, Koumetio, C Robertson, Ingram, Sylla, Cameron, Larkeche, Tiffoney, Main, Murray.

Substitutes: Carson, Astley, Mulligan, Adewumi, F Robertson, Braybrooke, Palmer-Houlden, Fraser, Vetro.

Kilmarnock: McCrorie, Mayo, Deas, Ndaba, Armstrong, Watson, Lyons, Donnelly, Kennedy, Vassell, Watkins.

Substitutes: O'Hara, Burroughs, McKenzie, Mackay-Steven, Murray, Cameron, Anderson, Wales, Bainbridge.

In: Billy Koumetio, defender (Liverpool); Simon Murray, forward (Ross County, undisclosed); Clark Robertson, defender (Ashdod); Ethan Ingram, defender (West Bromwich Albion); Scott Fraser, midfielder (Charlton Athletic); Jon McCracken, goalkeeper (Norwich City, loan to permanent).

Loan in: Sammy Braybrooke, midfielder (Leicester City); Oluwaseun Adewumi, midfielder (Burnley); Julien Vetro, midfielder (Burnley); Ziyad Larkeche, defender (Queens Park Rangers); Seb Palmer-Houlden, forward (Bristol City).

Out: Luke McCowan, midfielder (Celtic, undisclosed); Sebastian Lochhead, defender (Wolverhampton Wanderers, undisclosed); Diego Pineda, forward (Venados); Max Anderson, midfielder (Crawley Town, undisclosed); Cammy Kerr, defender (Queen's Park); Zak Rudden, forward (Queen's Park); Lee Ashcroft, defender (Partick Thistle); Shaun Byrne, midfielder (Raith Rovers, loan to permanent); Tyler French, defender (Sutton United); Jack Wilkie, defender (Arbroath).

Loan ended: Owen Beck, defender (Liverpool); Charlie Reilly, forward (Inverness Caledonian Thistle); Malachi Boateng, midfielder (Crystal Palace); Aaron Donnelly, defender (Nottingham Forest); Owen Dodgson, defender (Burnley); Michael Mellon, forward (Burnley); Dara Costelloe, midfielder (Burnley); Ryan Howley, midfielder (Coventry City); Zach Robinson, forward (Wimbledon); Amadou Bakayoko, forward (Forest Green Rovers).

Loan out: Luke Graham, defender (Falkirk); Jamie Richardson, forward (Arbroath); Finlay Allan, forward (Forfar Athletic); Rayan Mohammed, forward (Forfar Athletic); Ruaridh Lynch, goalkeeper (Cowdenbeath); Finlay Corrigan, midfielder (Broomhill); Ross Clark, midfielder (Formartine United); Marley Sweenie-Rowe, defender (Fraserburgh).

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Dundee midfielder Mo Sylla has trained this week and could be in the squad despite collapsing after suffering an anaphylactic shock at half-time in last weekend’s defeat by Aberdeen.

Experienced defenders Jordan McGhee (calf) and Joe Shaughnessy (knee) remain sidelined while Charlie Reilly has joined Inverness on loan.

Kilmarnock's Joe Wright serves the second of a three-match suspension and fellow centre-back Stuart Findlay and midfielder Liam Polworth are struggling with calf knocks. Kyle Magennis is still working his way back from a long-term absence.

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Clark Robertson is feeling "strong" and desperate for more action after coming through his belated Dundee debut unscathed.

Having picked up a hamstring injury in July, the 31-year-old finally defender made his first appearance for Tony Docherty's side in last weekend's home defeat to former club Aberdeen.

Robertson played the full 90 minutes and earned the praise of manager Docherty, leaving him full of enthusiasm for Saturday's visit from Kilmarnock.

"I'm buzzing to be back," he said. "It was frustrating to pick up an injury in pre-season and I obviously had a long road back with the physios.

"I had two weeks training and I played in a reserve game before the Aberdeen game and I felt I was ready to play. The manager put me in and I felt good.

"I was just glad to get through the game with no problems, that gives me confidence. I feel strong.

"It was a bittersweet day for me. The result wasn't great but I was just buzzing to get back after 12 weeks out to come back and put in a decent performance, albeit without winning the game."

Both sides go into Saturday's match struggling for results and in the bottom six of the Premiership, with Dundee having won none of their last five and Killie without a victory in seven.

Docherty believes both teams - who finished in the top six last term - are playing better than their results suggest and expects a compelling encounter at Dens Park.

"We had a really strong performance last week that merited us picking up points, but we never," he said. "That was the only negative. I'm expecting a really tough game from Kilmarnock.

"If I'm a fan I would choose to go to this game because I know from previous meetings the level of entertainment and competitiveness we'll get between two good technical teams with good playing styles."

Former Hearts, Dundee United and St Johnstone defender Ryan McGowan says non-Old Firm fans will have enjoyed Celtic and Rangers being given a "taste of their own medicine" by "taking a pasting" in Europe against teams with a bigger budget.

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• Each of the last five Scottish Premiership games between Dundee and Kilmarnock have been drawn, with four finishing 2-2 (the other 1-1 most recently).

• Kilmarnock have only lost one of their last 17 Scottish Premiership meetings with Dundee (W5 D11) and are unbeaten in their last 10 (W3 D7) since a 1-0 defeat in May 2017.

• Dundee have won just one of their last 14 league games (D6 L7), a 3-1 victory over Hearts in August, since which the Dark Blues have conceded exactly twice in four successive league matches (D2 L2).

• Kilmarnock have drawn their last three league games, each by a different scoreline: 1-1 v Hibernian, 2-2 v St Mirren, and 3-3 v Dundee United. Not since March 2000 have Killie drawn four successive top-flight matches, a run which included a 2-2 stalemate with Dundee.

• Marley Watkins has scored in is last two appearances in the Scottish Premiership; only twice previously has he netted in three in a row in the competition, doing so in October 2014 for Inverness Caledonian Thistle and in March last season for current side Kilmarnock.

Dundee midfielder Mo Sylla, 30, is back in training after suffering what was believed to have been an anaphylactic shock at half-time during Saturday's home defeat by Aberdeen. (Courier - subscription), external

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Tony Docherty is not being fooled by Kilmarnock's slow start to the season and expects "a tough opponent" on Saturday at Dens Park.

Killie, led by Docherty's old pal Derek McInnes, have yet to pick up a win in the Scottish Premiership this season, despite leading Dundee United 3-1 after 78 minutes last weekend.

"We know it's going to be a really tough game. I watched the game [against Dundee United] and for large parts of the game, it was such strong Kilmarnock performance so they'll be buoyed by that," Docherty said.

"They're a good side, they finished in a European spot last season on merit because of what they did.

"They've maybe suffered a bit from that, but they've got a brilliant manager there and a really strong coaching team behind him.

"It was a strong performance and I expect a tough opponent coming up here. I know a lot of the players and I know both teams will be going hard at it to get the three points before the international break."

Tyrone Smith
BBC Sport Scotland Senior Reporter

After Saturday’s 2-1 defeat to Aberdeen, Dundee manager Tony Docherty said, "if I keep getting that level of performance consistently, we'll be okay".

Once again, he watched as his side put a lot into a game, but got nothing out of it.

While he may be happy with the performance level, that is now four league matches without a win for the Dark Blues.

Yes, they restricted an on-form Aberdeen side to just two shots on target – but both of those efforts resulted in goals for the visitors.

Yes, it is still early in the season, but as the weeks tick by, the leaking of goals will become a real concern for Docherty.

His side have conceded two in each fixture within that last quartet of Premiership games – and however good everything else may be, victories will be hard to come by if they can’t find a way of tightening things up at the back.

On the plus side, it is true to say that Dundee are continuing to offer a lot in their games, and there is definite credence to the view that if they continue to do that, then their fortunes will change.

But it also true that successful sides are usually built on solid defensive foundations.

The return from injury of defender Clark Robertson is an undoubted positive for Dundee, and it would come as no surprise if that coincides with a firming up of the Dens Park rearguard over the coming weeks.

Ethan Hampton
Fan writer

The news of the premature passing of one of Dundee's most mercurial players of the last 50 years, Fabian Caballero, has left everyone associated with the club utterly devastated.

"He was sent down from heaven to wear number seven", the Dens Park faithful would sing. Now heaven needs him back, and he will be sorely missed.

Meanwhile, on the pitch, Dundee's familiar struggles continued to surface.

The defending in the first half was schoolboy level, and our deliveries from set-pieces were so poor, they could make a glass eye bleed.

In the second half, we had much more possession but created very few meaningful chances.

Another recurring theme this season was the positive impact of the substitutes but their introductions came too late to allow them to truly influence the game.

Scott Fraser produced the best cross of the afternoon in the 92nd minute - if he’d had more opportunities it might have led to a potential equaliser.

One positive from the match was Simon Murray recording his first goal at Dens Park, something that’s been weighing on his mind for some time. With that burden lifted, we can hope to see him play with renewed confidence on home turf.

Mo Sylla’s sudden departure at half-time to be rushed to Ninewells hospital has everyone wishing him a full recovery. He will be a huge miss for the team - he's been our most consistent player and the thought of a midfield without him is cause for concern.

We're not at panic stations just yet, and with several winnable games on the horizon, it's crucial that we break this losing streak before we find ourselves on a slippery slope.

We've only won one league game in our last 14, and we've been defeated in our last three consecutive matches.

Momentum is everything in football, and a positive result against Kilmarnock could put our recent struggles to bed. We have a very capable team, and I trust them to start putting points on the board sooner rather than later.

Killie, who are winless in the league this season, will not be an easy opponent especially given the fact that they are managed by Tony Docherty's former mentor Derek McInnes.

The student must become the master to keep the Dee from disaster.

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Dundee midfielder Charlie Reilly has joined Scottish League 1 side Inverness Caledonian Thistle on loan until January 2025.

The 22-year-old signed for Dundee in 2023 from Albion Rovers, and spent part of last season on loan at Arbroath.

He has played just once for Tony Docherty's side this season, a substitute appearance in the League Cup win over Bonnyrigg Rose, and now heads to the Highlands in search of regular minutes.

Adam Legzdins has likely played his last game for Dundee, with the 37-year-old goalkeeper having recently moved into the operational side of the club to build experience while studying for a Master’s degree in Sports Directorship. (The Courier), external

Four of Dundee's Scottish Premiership fixtures in November have been updated.

Their home match against Kilmarnock, originally scheduled for Saturday, 11 January 2025 has been brought forward to Sunday, 3 November at 15:00 GMT, at the request of both clubs.

Under the same circumstances, the Dark Blues' away trip to Pittodrie on Saturday, 9 November has been pushed back to a 17:30 kick-off.

The home game against Hibernian on Saturday, 23 November has been moved to a 17:45 kick-off due to television selection.

Finally, the visit of Rangers, originally due to occur on Saturday, 2 November, has been moved to Thursday, 9 January 2025 due to Phillipe Clement side's participation in the Premier Sports Cup.

The game has been selected for television coverage and will kick off at 20:00.

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Dundee manager Tony Docherty praised defender Clark Robertson's performance in the 2-1 Premiership defeat to Aberdeen on Saturday, and says he was "pleased" with his side's defensive structure despite the result.

Robertson, 31, signed for the club on a free transfer over the summer but only made his debut against the Dons following a hamstring injury in pre-season.

"I thought Clark was outstanding, he was really good," Docherty said. "I was looking to bring him into that defensive unit.

"We did a hell of a lot of work to make sure we did everything we could defensively and I thought we really limited them – two shots on target they had.

"We limited a good team to two opportunities from our mistakes.

"I was pleased with the defensive unit – I was pleased with loads about today, our midfield rotation, our switches of play and getting into good areas.

"And as I reiterated to the players, if I keep getting that level of performance consistently, we will be OK."

Before kick-off, there was a minute’s applause in tribute to former Dundee striker Fabian Caballero, who died suddenly at the age of 46.

"Really saddened," Docherty said. "The Dundee family are mourning the loss of a brilliant servant to the football club. Huge condolences and sympathy goes out to his family.

"He was here last year for Cammy Kerr's testimonial and was a larger-than-life character.

"You can see why he made his mark at Dundee and there is huge respect for him. As the Dundee FC family, we mourn his loss."