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Pat Nevin
Former footballer and presenter

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They say the league table never lies, but that does not mean it is always easy to get the entire truth out of it.

With second and ninth being separated by only two points, it is ridiculous to take too much out of a league position. Even so, Liverpool going into the international break in eighth is a bit of a shock, at least on The Kop.

There is also the eight-point gap between themselves and Arsenal to consider. For goodness' sake they are only three points - one win - above the rejuvenated Everton.‌

Everyone is looking for the cause of the problem. Certainly the planned revolution rather than evolution of the squad by Arne Slot this summer, has unsettled the group.

Mohamed Salah is not getting them out of the holes the way he has regularly done in the past either - his four league goals so far is a respectable return but not his usual super-human level.‌

But it is the way their midfield has been made to look sluggish and lumbering that is a concern. That is not who they are - they are young and vibrant. Slot has to make sure the display we witnessed in the first 45 minutes at Manchester City does not recur.

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There was drama at Chesterfield, where Liverpool Under-21 came from 2-0 down to draw 2-2 against the League Two side, and then won the mammoth subsequent penalty shootout 11-10.

Liverpool, managed by former Wales boss Rob Page, went behind in the second half when Bailey Hobson's shot bobbled past Fabian Mrozek in the visiting goal, before Dylan Duffy doubled the lead two minutes later.

It looked like Kaide Gordon - a previous scorer for Liverpool's first team in the FA Cup - had only netted a consolation goal to make it 2-1, but then he struck again in added time to force a shootout.

After 24 penalties, Liverpool finally prevailed when former Premier League midfielder John Fleck hit the bar with Chesterfield's 12th - and his second - penalty of the shootout.

Even though the win secured an extra point for Liverpool, Page's team still finished bottom of their group, while Chesterfield progressed to the knockout stages as one of the top two teams.

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The Observer's Rory Smith has been discussing the potential reasons behind some of Liverpool's "leggy performances" so far this season on BBC Radio 5 Live's Monday Night Club.

"The number of times we've heard people say Liverpool look 'leggy' this season is extraordinary," Smith said. "Sometimes that aspect is understandable, though.

"There is a human aspect of Diogo Jota's passing and a practical impact in that their pre-season got knocked back a couple of weeks.

"Whether or not the players are feeling the knock-on effects of that still, I don't know. It feels a bit unlikely that they shouldn't be up to speed by now.

"There are still individual players who aren't playing well, and it is completely fair to mention that it could be for reasons that aren't to do with just not 'liking' Arne Slot's tactics.

"But I'm really uncomfortable with this idea that Liverpool's Premier League title last season wasn't to do with Arne Slot. I think that's a really weird standard to hold people to."

Former Premier League striker Chris Sutton also voiced his concerns that the majority of Liverpool's summer signings - worth a total of £415m - have not hit the ground running at Anfield.

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Liverpool defender Andy Robertson has admitted the Reds have given themselves a lot of work to do to defend their Premier League title.

Arne Slot's side were beaten 3-0 at Manchester City on Sunday - a fifth league defeat already, having only lost four in 2024-25. The result left them four points behind City and eight off leaders Arsenal after 11 games.

"Obviously, we've given ourselves a huge uphill battle, but I don't think any of the teams will really look at the league table until we're halfway through," said Robertson.

"We have got to pick up points on a more consistent basis - then let's see where we are after Christmas time or whatever.

"I don't think you can talk about the title this early on in the season, regardless of what position you're in, but you need to then consistently start winning games again for that to even come into question.

"It's definitely not a question that's getting spoken about in the changing room or anything."

Meanwhile, speaking to BBC Radio Merseyside, captain Virgil van Dijk reflected on the defeat at Etihad Stadium, including his headed goal that was disallowed for Robertson standing in an offside position inside the six-yard box.

Liverpool have made contact with Professional Game Match Officials Limited to raise their concerns over the decision, which was upheld by VAR.

"The goals we conceded and the decisions we made could have changed the game, but the reality is that it didn't and we lost 3-0. Now we have to deal with it," said Van Dijk.

"The officials at the stadium and behind the screen have to make the right decision for the game and they gave the decision that the goal didn't stand.

"I think the goal should have stood, but I am not the one making the decision."

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Jordan Chamberlain
Fan writer

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In the summer, when football fans were writing those tedious predicted strongest XIs, Dom Szoboszlai couldn't get in Liverpool's team.

Ryan Gravenberch and Alexis Mac Allister were in the double pivot, with Florian Wirtz taking the Hungarian's place from last season at number10.

But Szoboszlai has been Liverpool's player of the season and is as integral to the midfield as Virgil van Dijk is to the defence. He was the one shining light against Manchester City on Sunday, and brilliant versus Real Madrid in the Champions League victory.

Despite being 3-0 down at the Etihad - following a horrendous refereeing decision it must be said - Szoboszlai fought tirelessly, which could not be said of some of his team-mates, who looked resigned to the defeat far too early.

He is one who should be in line for a new contract soon, given his current deal expires at the end of next season. And in fact, if he carries on in his current vein, there is an argument to suggest he might be the favourite to take over the armband from Van Dijk eventually.

I would be very surprised if Liverpool could get themselves back in the Premier League title race, but the Champions League provides a great opportunity.

Once the knockout rounds starts the new signings will have hopefully bedded in more and we can do a PSG - who were also average before Christmas last term before going on to win it.

One thing we do know is if we are to win anything this term, Szoboszlai will be at the heart of it.

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Liverpool forward Federico Chiesa has made himself unavailable for selection for Italy's two remaining World Cup qualifiers, according to manager Gennaro Gattuso.

Italy are travelling to face Moldova on Thursday before hosting group leaders Norway in Milan on Sunday.

Despite the crucial matches, Gattuso insisted he had to respect the wishes of the 28-year-old.

"I often talk to him. We have to respect the decisions and problems that each of us has," the Italy boss said.

"We know well what we tell each other, and I must respect what the player tells me. I can't say anything else."

Gattuso did not provide a reason for the decision by the former Juventus and Fiorentina player, who last featured for Italy at the 2024 European Championship.

Despite limited minutes under Arne Slot this season at Liverpool, Chiesa has featured 12 times, scoring two goals and providing three assists.

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Liverpool are willing to pay Inter Milan £88m (100m euros) for 26-year-old Italy centre-back Alessandro Bastoni. (Mundo Deportivo - in Spanish), external

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Manchester City might have made a statement of intent in the title race with their 3-0 win against reigning champions Liverpool last night and moved four points behind Premier League leaders Arsenal before the international break.

But they are still some way off catching the Gunners, according to Opta's Premier League predictions.

The Opta supercomputer's latest update has Pep Guardiola's City finishing about seven points behind Arsenal at the end of the season.

Opta still gives Arsenal 63.6% chance of winning the title this season with City only having a 22.9% chance of becoming champions in the latest set of simulations.

Liverpool, meanwhile, have only a 7% probability of defending their title with Chelsea marked at 2.75%.

Predicted points after 38 games:

Arsenal - 80.19

Man City - 73.50

Liverpool - 68.23

Chelsea - 63.34

Aston Villa - 60.76

Crystal Palace - 59.32

Man Utd - 56.37

Bournemouth - 56.31

Brighton - 55.93

Tottenham - 54.97

Tom McCoy
BBC Sport journalist

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After Liverpool's 3-1 defeat at Stamford Bridge last month, Chelsea's Marc Cucurella said the Blues had targeted the Reds' right flank, intimating that because Mohamed Salah is "always ready to attack" there is more space for the opposition to exploit.

There is certainly a recent pattern of rivals trying this ploy. In each of the Merseysiders' past eight league games, opponents have channelled more attacks down their left (Liverpool's right) than they have through the centre or via the opposite flank.

In fact, since the start of September, 43% of attacks by Liverpool's Premier League opponents have been directed at this perceived weak spot. That compares to 31% via the other wing and 26% up the middle.

Former Reds right-back Trent Alexander-Arnold was sometimes viewed as a player who could be a weak link defensively, but with the Englishman now at Real Madrid, there is an argument the problem is more a case of team structure than personnel.

Conor Bradley, who has started the past seven league games at right-back, excelled against Real Madrid star Vinicius Jr in midweek, but the 22-year-old found Manchester City's Jeremy Doku a far tougher proposition on Sunday.

Liverpool signed Jeremie Frimpong this summer, though he has not started a Premier League game since the opening day because of hamstring issues.

Even when he returns to fitness, the attack-minded Dutchman might not necessarily make Liverpool more defensively resilient, having mainly featured as a wing-back in his final two seasons at Bayer Leverkusen.

If head coach Arne Slot wants to shore up his right-hand side, Bradley will need more protection. Is the solution as simple as asking star man Salah to track back more often?

Otherwise, a tactical reshuffle might be necessary against elite opposition, with a more defensively diligent player fielded in front of Bradley to avoid the talented but inexperienced Northern Irishman being isolated too often.

We asked for your views on Sunday's Premier League game between Manchester City and Liverpool.

Here are some of your comments:

Jimmy: Disappointing performance. The form of Mohamed Salah and Ibrahima Konate is particularly worrying, especially away from home. Maybe they should be given a rest like Milos Kerkez because he looked much better after a few weeks on sidelines. Florian Wirtz needs to get stronger as he is too easily knocked off the ball. Then let him play the Martin Odegaard role behind Hugo Ekitike and Alexander Isak.

Jack: Liverpool were awful. Even if the penalty wasn't awarded and Van Dijk's goal was awarded, it wouldn't have mattered because we were shambolic. We played like we did against the likes of Crystal Palace, Brentford and Manchester United, constantly playing ourselves into trouble. And was Ekitike even on the pitch? He got so little service he might as well have gone for dinner. Liverpool just couldn't handle the City pressure and the doubt that was relieved slightly by the wins over Aston Villa and Real Madrid has reared its ugly head again. Maybe the end of Slot, at the extreme.

Andy: I'm dismayed to see the rapid demise of Salah. He's lost his pace and his touch. He rarely beats his full-back and tries to shoot at ridiculous times. Slot needs to give Federico Chiesa a chance. He's got lots to sort out and it is weird how so many players are so out of touch.

Peter: At the moment, Liverpool are not up to the challenge of defending their Premier League title. All the money that has been spent over the summer and they can't gel together. There is no running in them. I think some of the players just think they can turn up and it will all be good, Slot also has a lot to answer for as it's his job to sort out this mess.

Christopher: The lack of physicality is worrying. Salah and Wirtz were lightweight. Konate is away with the fairies at times and his distribution is poor. Salah's lack of support for Conor Bradley is not helping the defence either and he needs benching. Wirtz needs to step up or drop out. A front line of Ekitike, Cody Gakpo and Alexander Isak looks a better bet.

Ruhel: Chiesa coming on with seven minutes left says all there is to say about Slot's decision making. Continuously playing Konate who has been error-prone in nearly every game this season and signing a injury-prone striker for £125 million. Time for Slot to go.

Kevin: In a word, EMBARRASSING!!!

Dale Johnson
Football issues correspondent

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Subjective offside decisions, those where the player does not touch the ball, are always controversial.

They require interpretation about impact from the officials, and that is often not straightforward.

And Chris Kavanagh, who was the referee for Sunday's game between Manchester City and Liverpool, knows all about them.

As Virgil van Dijk's header made its way towards goal, Andy Robertson ducked to allow the ball to go into the net. The defender was standing offside, and the assistant raised his flag for offside.

This decision was not about line of vision, but "an obvious action which clearly impacts on the ability of an opponent to play the ball".

The offside law does not require a referee to think City goalkeeper Gianluigi Donnarumma would definitely save it, only that his ability to do so has been affected. It is the ducking motion which is absolutely crucial because it could put doubt into the goalkeeper's mind about a potential touch.

If Donnarumma had not been standing close to Robertson, or if the player was not in the six-yard box, the case for offside would have been weak.

But there must be an argument that Donnarumma had been impacted. For that reason, as the on-field team gave offside, it was not likely to be overturned through a video assistant referee review.

It is a borderline call, but still supportable as an on-field decision.

However, officials are advised it is usually best to leave complicated subjective offside decisions to the VAR, and if that had happened Liverpool were likely to have had had an equaliser.

A good comparison is a disallowed Everton goal against Manchester United in March 2020. Dominic Calvert-Lewin's shot was deflected towards goal, and an offside Gylfi Sigurdsson, who was sitting inside the six-yard box, withdrew his legs to allow the ball through. The referee? Chris Kavanagh.

We can compare it to a goal which was given through VAR last season. John Stones' late winner for Manchester City at Wolves was chalked off on the field for Bernardo Silva being in the line of vision of goalkeeper Jose Sa.

But while he was close to Sa, he was not in front of him and, unlike Robertson, he did not duck out of the path of the ball. The referee? Chris Kavanagh.

We have seen a couple of similar situations this season - a Manchester United goal at Nottingham Forest, and one for Leeds against Bournemouth - where an offside player has made a small movement away from the ball.

In those cases it was felt that movement and the positions of the players (they were not inside the six-yard box) was not enough to affect the goalkeeper.

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Former Premier League midfielder Nigel Reo-Coker believes Liverpool "miss Luis Diaz" and that is why they are struggling to create opportunities this season.

"What he did for Liverpool was like what Jeremy Doku did for Manchester City on Sunday," said Reo-Coker on BBC Radio 5 Live's Football Daily podcast. "He was a dribbler and although he doubled up defensively for Liverpool, he was also still able to carry the ball and ride three or four challenges to make something happen.

"It would carry the team up the pitch and they don't have that many players now who can do that.

"They let Diaz leave for Bayern Munich, where he is doing the same thing he did for Liverpool and becoming an extra level of threat for them.

"Trent Alexander-Arnold got a lot of stick for leaving but his passing ability is being missed on the pitch too.

"If you win a Premier League title then there is expectancy for the next season. Liverpool had a big summer of recruitment, with people saying they 'won' the transfer market, and it just hasn't happened for them yet.

"It is a chemistry issue, but it is not a crisis."

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Former Manchester United striker Wayne Rooney believes Liverpool should have been awarded a first-half goal in their 3-0 defeat by Manchester City.

Virgil van Dijk's headed effort hit the back of the net in the 38th minute when the visitors were trailing 1-0. However, the goal was ruled out for offside - with Andy Robertson ducking out of the way of the ball in the six-yard box.

Speaking on The Wayne Rooney Show, the ex-England captain said: "I thought it was a goal.

"I get the rules, but Gianluigi Donnarumma can see it the whole way and he makes the decision to go for the ball and gets nowhere near it.

"I don't think Robertson is standing in front of the keeper. I know he's close to him, but I think he doesn't impact Donnarumma.

"He sees the ball all the way, does a full dive for it and gets nowhere near it, so I thought that should have stood.

"He ducked but he's not in the eyeline of the goalkeeper. He's not affecting Donnarumma's decision.

"His weight is on his right foot and then he's tried to shift quick and dive. He hasn't waited for Robertson to make the decision then dive afterwards."

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Jeremy Doku was absolutely brilliant for Manchester City in their 3-0 win on Sunday, but Liverpool's tactics were the reason he was able to run riot down their right.

Without Mohamed Salah tracking back, Arne Slot's side were always so vulnerable down that flank and I felt sorry for Conor Bradley, who was trying to stop Doku but had Nico O'Reilly to worry about too.

Even if Liverpool had found some better balance, and had a winger who gave Bradley more defensive support or condensed City's space, then with the way Doku was playing he would still have been almost impossible to stop.

Doku was a pleasure to watch, irrespective of who you support and who you wanted to win. You had to admire his skill, pace, strength and bravery - and his goal was just amazing.

The way Liverpool were set up, though, actually helped him shine.

He was electric and the game's star man. This was the best I have seen him play in a City shirt, but Salah not being asked to defend made it so easy for him.

It became a really productive area of the pitch for City, and was one of the reasons they won so comfortably in the end.

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Chief football writer

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Liverpool's recent upturn in form brought impressive victories against Aston Villa and Real Madrid, following six defeats in seven games.

But it was ended brutally in the face of Man City superiority.

Arne Slot's side were put firmly in their place as once again Liverpool's defence looked vulnerable, while their build-up was ponderous, lacking sharpness.

Slot was infuriated when Virgil Van Dijk's header was ruled out for offside, but City were already the more powerful and creative team and that moment happened firmly against the run of play.

Once Van Dijk deflected Nico Gonzalez's shot past Giorgi Mamardashvili seconds before half-time, the contest was effectively over.

This was another disappointing day for Liverpool's £116m summer signing Florian Wirtz, who looked lightweight in the face of City's physical challenges, and it was no surprise when he was replaced by Federico Chiesa with seven minutes left.

Wirtz, who rejected City's advances to join Liverpool from Bayer Leverkusen in the summer, felt the full force of the home fans' mockery as they chanted "What a waste of money" while he walked off disconsolately.

It is too early write off a title challenge after 11 games, especially when it involves the team who lifted the trophy in May, but Liverpool are now eight points behind leaders Arsenal and have lost five times already.

With City picking up ominous momentum, Slot's side face an increasingly uphill struggle to retain their crown.