Summary

  • Rishi Sunak has said he understands why people are hesitating to support the Conservatives

  • At a campaign event, he says the last few years have been difficult but the coming election is a choice for the future

  • His comments come after the PM and Keir Starmer were pressed about immigration, the NHS and cost of living at a Q&A hosted by the Sun

  • Earlier, the co-leader of the Greens was challenged on his party's pledges on climate and tax by Nick Robinson in a BBC Panorama leaders' interview

  • Adrian Ramsay defended the scale of his party's tax plans, calling them "fairly normal" by European standards

  • Also on Monday, Sunak said he was "not aware" of other Conservative candidates being looked into by the Gambling Commission and confirmed his party is carrying out its own internal inquiries - Starmer accused him of delaying the probe until after the election

  1. Betting, boats and stamps in the spotlight this morningpublished at 11:30 British Summer Time 23 June

    Miss this morning's Sunday with Laura Kuenssberg? Here are the key points:

    • Asked whether he was aware of any ministers placing bets on the timing of the general election, Home Secretary James Cleverly said "not to my knowledge" - and refused to be drawn on the wider allegations engulfing the party
    • Cleverly said it was "disappointing and frustrating" there has been 12,000 small boat crossings this year but insisted some progress has been made
    • On illegal immigration, Labour's shadow education secretary Bridget Phillipson said the party would deal with smuggling gangs "at source" by setting up a new border command unit
    • Asked about JK Rowling's accusation that Labour had "abandoned" women, Phillipson praised the author's domestic violence activism and said people should judge Labour on its record
    • SNP leader John Swinney said he would cooperate with an investigation into claims his party used taxpayer-funded stamps to send out election materials
    • The first minister described independence as "an essential solution to the issues that people face in their lives today"
  2. Watch: Would Labour ban the teaching of gender identity in schools?published at 10:56 British Summer Time 23 June

    One of the main points that shadow education secretary Bridget Phillipson was pressed on during today's programme concerned the government's draft guidance that schools in England should not teach about gender identity.

    As a reminder, those plans to ban sex education for under-nines, as well as teaching about gender identity, were reported on last month ahead of Rishi Sunak announcing the general election.

    What do you believe teachers should be advised to do, Phillipson was asked. Would Labour ban the teaching of the concept of gender ideology?

    You can watch her response to that question in the below clip:

    Media caption,

    Trans people exist, and schools need clear guidance for young people - Phillipson

  3. Sign up to Off Air with Laura K for more insight and insider storiespublished at 10:40 British Summer Time 23 June

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  4. This morning's show is finished - but stay with uspublished at 10:18 British Summer Time 23 June

    This morning's Sunday with Laura Kuenssberg has just wrapped up - but don't go anywhere.

    We're going to bring you more lines from the show, including what the panel thought of today's speakers.

    Giving their thoughts this week are Lord Peter Mandelson, who was a key architect of New Labour, former Tory Chancellor Lord Philip Hammond and Good Morning Britain presenter Susanna Reid.

  5. Swinney 'looking closely' at banning phones in classroomspublished at 10:18 British Summer Time 23 June

    Finally, Swinney is asked whether the SNP would match a Labour pledge to ban phones in school classrooms.

    He says the SNP is "looking at it closely" but that there are a range of different views on the topic, with some teachers believing phones are helpful for learning.

    “There’s a careful route to be constructed here," he says, adding that we must ensure that we’re supporting teachers.

  6. Would Swinney accept the will of Scottish people?published at 10:15 British Summer Time 23 June

    Swinney is asked what he will do if the SNP does not get a majority of seats in Scotland on 4 July.

    Would he accept the will of the people and give up on pushing for a new independence referendum?

    The first minister doesn't answer directly and says he won't pre-judge the outcome of the election.

    Pressed on this issue, he points out the SNP won a majority in Holyrood in 2021 on a pro-independence platform.

    He says that mandate "has to be delivered" and it is "crystal clear that people in Scotland have expressed a preference to determine their own constitutional future".

  7. Independence 'essential' for Scotland - Swinneypublished at 10:13 British Summer Time 23 June

    Laura makes the point that Westminster has the power to say no, with Keir Starmer and Rishi Sunak both saying repeatedly they will not talk about Scottish independence with Swinney.

    Your promise to push for independence is one you can't keep, Laura again puts to Swinney.

    He replies saying that the push for an independent Scotland is "an essential solution to the issues that people face in their lives today".

    He says the problems Scotland faces are Westminster problems, citing the "devastating effect of Brexit".

  8. Scottish independence - is this a promise Swinney can keep?published at 10:10 British Summer Time 23 June

    It's put to Swinney by Laura that his manifesto suggests that if the SNP wins a majority, it would push for a referendum on independence - are you making promises that you can't keep?

    Swinney says in 2021 people in Scotland elected a parliament that supported independence but the UK government hasn't held that view.

    If people in Scotland want independence, they need to support the SNP, he says.

    • Read more about the SNP's plans for Scottish independence here
  9. Swinney pressed on SNP stamps questionspublished at 10:05 British Summer Time 23 June

    Now we're hearing from John Swinney, the leader of the Scottish National Party and first minister of Scotland.

    First he's asked about allegations his party used stamps paid for with public money for campaign purposes, which would be against the rules on parties spending taxpayer's cash for electoral advantage.

    Swinney says he has been assured by staff that no parliamentary stamps have been used on the election campaign and that the SNP will assist with the parliamentary investigation into the matter.

    There have been reports that a member of an SNP group chat discussed the "stamp fairy being very useful", Laura points out.

    Asked what that message meant, Swinney says it was a "humorous remark" and that he has had reassurances that those stamps were not used for the campaign.

  10. Phillipson urges voters not to focus on pollspublished at 09:55 British Summer Time 23 June

    Finally, Phillipson is asked whether she thought Jeremy Corbyn would be a great prime minister - a question we've heard Keir Starmer field repeatedly in recent weeks.

    She says the "bar was pretty low in 2019 in terms of the candidates that were there", and that she didn't believe the party was going to win.

    "Let's be honest, it wasn't a great choice and it certainly wasn't a great choice that Labour put forward in 2019," she adds.

    Phillipson ends by urging people not to look at the polls and instead to focus on whether they want to "wake up to another five years of chaos and division" on 5 July.

    Shadow education secretary Bridget PhillipsonImage source, Jeff Overs/BBC
  11. Labour pressed on university fundingpublished at 09:54 British Summer Time 23 June

    The discussion now turns to the financial woes that many universities are currently facing.

    If Labour were to win, as education secretary would she use taxpayer money to bail out a university which might go under?

    Universities are in crisis, she replies, and I'm really concerned about that.

    We have to "tread with real care here" because universities are important engines of "growth and opportunity and jobs", she says.

    "I would want to avoid any disruption happening to young people's education," she says.

    Laura presses her on whether she would use taxpayer money to help universities.

    "I don't believe that will be necessary," she says, adding there are measures that can be taken to stabilise the sector.

  12. Phillipson asked about JK Rowling saying Labour has 'abandoned' womenpublished at 09:52 British Summer Time 23 June

    Now Phillipson is asked about comments from the author JK Rowling, who said Labour has "abandoned" women because of its stance on transgender rights.

    Phillipson - who has previously worked with female victims of domestic abuse - says she is "genuinely sorry" to hear that because of Rowling's activism raising awareness of domestic violence.

    She says tackling violence against women and girls will be a focus of the next Labour government, adding "it's very personal to me".

    Pressed on Rowling's comments, Phillipson says there are existing provisions in legislation for single-sex spaces and "it's important those are maintained".

    "Judge us on what we've done in the past to support women," she adds.

  13. Gender identity shouldn't be 'political football' - Phillipsonpublished at 09:52 British Summer Time 23 June

    Bridget Phillipson  and Laura KuenssbergImage source, Jeff Overs/BBC

    Laura put its to Phillipson that the government has published draft guidance that included banning teaching the concept of gender identify (more on that here).

    If Labour win, would that happen?

    The shadow education secretary says the principle of having guidance for schools is important, and teachers want clarity on how to manage a sensitive and difficult area for them.

    Phillipson says a Labour government will make sure a form of guidance is rolled out. She stresses that the issues needs to stop being used as a "political football", adding it's too important to make it a “culture wars” issue.

    Pressed again on what Labour's guidance would look like, she says the draft guidance published by the government had some good principles in it, while other elements “drifted far too much” into partisan and unnecessary language.

  14. 'Genuine disgust': Phillipson reacts to Tory betting allegationspublished at 09:47 British Summer Time 23 June

    Laura now turns to talk about gambling and asks Phillipson if she has ever made a bet on a political event.

    No, she replies, adding she's not much of a gambler.

    Phillipson says the central issue is whether people in the Conservative Party used insider knowledge to inform their alleged gambling.

    There is "genuine disgust" among many voters at the "shocking behaviour", Phillipson says, adding that Sunak promised the country that his government would be different to the Boris Johnson era.

  15. Smuggling gangs a 'national security issue' - Phillipsonpublished at 09:40 British Summer Time 23 June

    Next up, we're hearing from Labour's shadow education secretary Bridget Phillipson. She's asked about the party's position on illegal migration and denies the party doesn't have an alternative to the Rwanda policy.

    She says it's clear that policy is not working and says the next government has to focus on clearing the asylum case backlog.

    Phillipson says Labour would "deal with the gangs at source" by setting up a new border command unit, and describes it as a "national security issue".

    "We are serious about doing it, we have to make sure we protect our borders," she adds.

  16. Cleverly quizzed on fresh Tory betting allegationspublished at 09:35 British Summer Time 23 June

    Cleverly and Laura

    Before ending his sit down with Laura, Cleverly is asked if, to his knowledge, any ministers placed a bet on the timing of the election.

    Cleverly says: "Not to my knowledge at all, no."

    He's then asked what he has to say about allegations another Conservative is being looked into by the Gambling Commission.

    Cleverly continues to insist the regulator has made it clear ministers should not discuss the investigation, conceding that "I know it's going to be frustrating".

    Laura puts it to him that two of the people accused are standing to become Tory MPs. Don't voters have the right to know if you're going to do anything about it, she adds.

    He maintains that there's a system in place for investigating these matters and the Gambling Commission is doing just that.

  17. What about Martyn's Law?published at 09:31 British Summer Time 23 June

    One of the results of the election being called was Parliament running out of time to pass Martin's Law, a bill which would beef up protections at venues.

    It was named after Martyn Hett, one of 22 people killed in the 2017 Manchester attack. His family have campaigned for changes and met with Cleverly and Rishi Sunak shortly before the election was called.

    Asked about that meeting, Cleverly says he "didn't know the election would be called" at the time.

    He says he assured Martyn's family that if there was a delay because of an election, then his party would priorities passing it after forming a new government.

    Cleverly repeats his "absolute commitment" to passing the law "straight away" if the Tories win the election.

    "I'm absolutely committed to getting this law on the statute books," he adds.

    • Read more on Martin's Law here
  18. Small boat response 'constantly evolving' - Cleverlypublished at 09:28 British Summer Time 23 June

    We are constantly evolving our response to small boat crossings, Cleverly claims, but Laura says it's clearly not working.

    Cleverly says the number of people being stopped has increased and stresses that the response to people smugglers changing tactics is the Rwanda scheme.

    He goes on to say that Labour would scrap the scheme.

    Laura says the plan has not had a deterrent effect, posing the question - how can you tell our viewers with any credibility that planes will take off?

    Cleverly says the Rwanda volunteer scheme shows proof of concept.

  19. What about small boat crossings?published at 09:25 British Summer Time 23 June

    Staying on small boats, Cleverly is next asked about the number of people crossing the Channel, which has passed 12,000 so far this year.

    He say recent data on the number of crossings are "disappointing and frustrating", and the result of a "whole load of complicated factors".

    Cleverly says there has been some good news on preventing the crossings recently, including hundreds being stopped by French authorities as part of a deal struck with Paris.

    Asked again why numbers are so high, he says smugglers have changed tactics to put more people into each boat, and says "this is why we've sadly seen fatalities, including some very young people".

    A graph showing small boat crossings
  20. Cleverly: Not enough said about other immigration initiativespublished at 09:23 British Summer Time 23 June

    Laura continues to press Cleverly about his former aide's comments.

    The home secretary replies that where he has had frustrations, it was because the government had spoken "exclusively" about the Rwanda scheme and not about other things like immigration enforcement.