Summary

  • Health Secretary Wes Streeting told Sunday with Laura Kuenssberg that Elon Musk's attack on Jess Phillips over grooming gangs is a "disgraceful smear"

  • Streeting also defended his adult social care reform plans, insisting it will take time to turn around "14 years of failures"

  • Reform UK's leader Nigel Farage said that despite his support from Musk, they "don't have to agree on everything"

  • Farage also doubled down on his defence of Musk, saying he believes in free speech even if it's offensive

  • Shadow Home Secretary Chris Philp said Elon Musk was right to raise the issue of the grooming gangs scandal but adds the language he used to describe Phillips was "not appropriate"

  • If you missed out on the action, you can click Watch & listen at the top of the page or head to BBC iPlayer to catch up with this week's show

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Streeting: Musk's attack on Jess Phillips 'a disgraceful smear'

  1. That's a wrappublished at 11:36 Greenwich Mean Time 5 January

    We're closing our Sunday with Laura Kuenssberg coverage soon but here's a summary of the first show of 2025:

    • Health Secretary Wes Streeting said that Elon Musk's attack on safeguarding minister Jess Phillips over grooming gangs is a "disgraceful smear"
    • It comes after Musk said Phillips "deserves to be in prison" after she rejected a request for the Home Office to order a public inquiry into child sexual exploitation in Oldham, saying the council should commission a local inquiry instead
    • Streeting also defended his plans to reform adult social care whilst insisting "it's going to take time to turn the NHS around"
    • Reform UK leader Nigel Farage said that despite his support from Musk, they "don't have to agree on everything"
    • He said that people are angry about the "mass rape scandal" and the economy - stating that mass migration "is making us poorer"
    • Chris Philp, the shadow Home Secretary, denied that the Tories are now "playing politics" by calling for public inquiry over grooming gangs, despite his party's denial of one while in office

    If you missed out on any of the action, you can click Watch & listen above or head to BBC iPlayer to catch up with today's show.

    Thanks for following our coverage, see you next week!

  2. Areas of tension between Farage and Musk emergepublished at 11:31 Greenwich Mean Time 5 January

    Harry Farley
    Political correspondent

    Nigel Farage’s defence of Elon Musk is part of a burgeoning relationship between the pair. They were recently pictured together in Donald Trump’s Florida resort of Mar-a-Lago. And there are rumours of a large donation that the billionaire Musk “may well” – Farage said – give to Reform UK.

    But Musk’s benefits to Reform UK go beyond just money. As Farage told Laura Kuenssberg this morning, “he makes us look cool” for some young people.

    “I think he's a hero,” Farage said.

    But for all the friendly words, there are areas of tension in the relationship between Reform UK and Elon Musk.

    One example is over Tommy Robinson, whose real name is Stephen Yaxley Lennon. Musk has called for the far-right agitator to be released from prison. Farage is determined to distance himself from Robinson and wants him nowhere near his political party.

    Farage tried to shrug any differences off, saying just because Musk supports Reform, “doesn't mean I have to agree with everything he says".

    But it’s one area where the blossoming friendship between Musk and Reform UK could run into difficulties.

  3. 'Jenrick just got more and more extreme' - Kasumupublished at 11:19 Greenwich Mean Time 5 January

    Sam Francis
    Political reporter

    Samuel Kasumu sitting down at desk during panel appearance. He's wearing a dark suit with a blue shirt, no tie. In the background is a sketched cardboard illustration of UK landmarks in pastel colours

    As we reported in the post below, Samuel Kasumu warned that Robert Jenrick’s “extreme” comments on migration could lead to MPs being killed.

    Speaking to the BBC after his appearance on Sunday with Laura Kuenssberg, Kasumu says: “We lost David Amess and Jo Cox when public debate around migration was charged – but the public discourse then was not as bad at what Jenrick has said.”

    Kasumu, a former adviser to Tory prime minister Boris Johnson, said Jenrick had started off “sensible on migration” but since “his leadership bid he’s just got more and more extreme”.

    “Now he’s trying to demonise people coming over here legally”.

  4. Former Tory advisor raises concerns over Robert Jenrickpublished at 10:58 Greenwich Mean Time 5 January

    Robert Jenrick close up in black suit, blue tie and white shirt in front of a blue poster during the leadership campaign last autumnImage source, Getty Images

    Shortly before the end of the programme, panellist Samuel Kasumu addressed an earlier question Laura asked Chris Philp about comments by shadow Justice Secretary Robert Jenrick.

    Laura asked Philp whether he justified Jenrick’s language in a series of tweets in which he claimed the UK had “imported hundreds of thousands of people from alien cultures who possess medieval attitudes towards women”.

    "I don’t think that Elon Musk or Nigel Farage are the most dangerous individuals in our country," Kasumu says. "I think Robert Jenrick has the potential to be the most divisive person in our political history."

    "I think some of his words over the last 12 months may result in some people maybe even dying, he has the potential to incite hatred in ways I’ve never seen."

  5. What was said on the showpublished at 10:42 Greenwich Mean Time 5 January

    Here's a quick recap of the main points from today's programme.

    Reform UK leader Nigel Farage was quizzed about his party's growing membership, with Farage telling Laura that his "ultimate goal" is to win the next election.

    The issue of grooming gangs and his friend Elon Musk's recent comments on the scandal was also raised. Farage said free speech had its limits but that he believed in it, even when its offensive.

    Health Secretary Wes Streeting was up next and said Musk's attack on safeguarding minister Jess Phillips was "disgraceful" and that if the businessman wants to help stop violence against women, then he should focus on making X a safe space online.

    He defended the Labour government's record so far, saying unpopular decisions have been made but what ultimately matters is whether people think the country is in a better place at the next election.

    Finally, Shadow Home Secretary Chris Philp defended the Tories against a claim they are "playing politics" by calling for a public inquiry into grooming gangs after having rejected one while in power.

  6. 'It's going to end in tears' - Alan Johnsonpublished at 10:17 Greenwich Mean Time 5 January

    Alan Johnson in black shirt with raised pointer finger of left hand

    Shortly before the programme came to a close, former home secretary Alan Johnson weighed in on Nigel Farage’s defending Musk.

    Johnson warns the Reform UK leader is “getting into bed with some very nasty people”, citing the tech billionaire’s appeal for the release of Tommy Robinson.

    “It’s going to end in tears,” he adds.

  7. Sunday with Laura Kuenssberg endspublished at 10:00 Greenwich Mean Time 5 January

    We've just heard some New Year's resolutions from the panellists, and with that the programme ends for another week.

    Stay with us for the latest updates and reaction following three punchy interviews from Laura Kuenssberg with Nigel Farage, Wes Streeting and Chris Philp.

  8. Philp says suggestion Tories didn't follow up on grooming gangs inquiry is 'nonsense'published at 09:59 Greenwich Mean Time 5 January

    Philp

    If the issue of grooming gangs was so important to you, why did the government not follow up on recommendations from the "enormous" independent inquiry? Laura asks.

    Philp says he doesn't think this is true, and repeats his point about a taskforce being set up set up by Rishi Sunak.

    Laura points out that the author of the inquiry said the Tories did not follow up on recommendations.

    Now that Musk and Reform UK have brought the issue of a national inquiry back up, you are talking about the issue again, Laura points out, adding that it seems like "pretty blatant politicking" on a very sensitive issue.

    Philp says that is "nonsense".

  9. 'Are the Tories playing politics?': Laura questions Chris Philppublished at 09:56 Greenwich Mean Time 5 January

    Chris Philp (L) sits on a red chair in a black suit while listening to Laura Kuenssberg (R) ask him questions. Kuenssberg is sitting of a red chair in a grey suit, a wooden table visible at the bottom of the frame with two glasses and sheets of paper on top

    Laura is now speaking to Chris Philp, the shadow Home Secretary.

    She begins by asking him about his party's denial of a public inquiry over grooming gangs while they were in government and asks if the Tories are now "playing politics" by calling for one.

    Philp says that several things have changed since then, including that a grooming gangs taskforce, set up under Rishi Sunak, that has led to over 500 arrests but had uncovered that issues remained.

    He also says that when the previous request for a public inquiry was made, a national inquiry was running that was looking partially at the issues but that had not been, in retrospect, robust enough.

  10. 'Unpopular decision have been made, what matters most is delivery'published at 09:45 Greenwich Mean Time 5 January

    Streeting says that "on every front, the country has been left in a massive mess". He repeats that it will take time to turn the UK around.

    He adds that he knows unpopular decisions have been made, but that this has been done "in order to get the NHS back on track".

    After a few tries, Laura can get a word in - saying that "when the country looks at what Labour's doing, they think that looks pretty terrible". She asks if Streeting can explain exactly what Labour is doing.

    He replies quickly, saying that what matters most is delivery. He stresses that "people will think that the country is in a better place at the next election".

  11. It's going to take time to turn the NHS around, Streeting sayspublished at 09:44 Greenwich Mean Time 5 January

    Moving to his plans to reform adult social care, Streeting says you can't turn 14 years of failure around in six months.

    "We went into this winter without strikes, and with big boosts on vaccines", he says.

    "But it's going to take time to turn the NHS around", he adds.

    "We have banged the drum hard" that the NHS needs investment but also needs reform otherwise annual winter crises will come as regularly as the "Coca Cola van and John Lewis ads", he adds.

  12. 'Social media platforms have role to play to help tackle violence' - Streetingpublished at 09:42 Greenwich Mean Time 5 January

    Streeting

    Keeping to Elon Musk's comments, Laura says it is not a "normal situation" for the tech billionaire to claim the PM is complicit in the "rape of Britain" - can you still work with this man? she asks.

    Streeting says that if Musk wants to help tackle violence against women and girls then online platforms have got a role to play in keeping people safe online.

    Starmer's government are people who have done more than most ever do to lock up rapists, paedophiles and other "scumbags", he adds.

  13. Musk's attack on Jess Phillips 'a disgraceful smear', Streeting sayspublished at 09:39 Greenwich Mean Time 5 January

    Laura is now interviewing Health Secretary Wes Streeting, asking him to respond to Musk's comments about safeguarding minister Jess Phillips, calling her a "rape genocide apologist".

    He describes the remarks as a "disgraceful smear", prompting Laura to ask whether it is best to tell the billionaire businessman to back off or to ignore him?

    He replies that the best response is to make sure the most important voices of grooming victims are the focus.

  14. Elon Musk important for Reform UK popularity, Farage sayspublished at 09:37 Greenwich Mean Time 5 January

    Farage says he has stuck with Trump through thick and thin and that if you're loyal to him, he's loyal to you.

    Speaking again about Elon Musk, Farage says that whether or not he gives Reform UK money, he makes the party look cool with young people.

    Lastly, Laura asks whether the reason he won't criticise Musk is because he might give him money, to which he says free speech is important and that he doesn't agree with everything Musk says.

  15. Kuenssberg questions Farage on bond with Donald Trumppublished at 09:35 Greenwich Mean Time 5 January

    Laura moves the conversation to Farage's relationship with US President-elect Donald Trump.

    The Reform UK leader says Trump is prepared ahead of retuning to the White House and has a plan, which is quite radical. He describes the Republican as calmer compared to his first term in office.

    This might be the last American president with a "deep emotional to these islands", Farage adds.

    Farage argues Trump's return to the White House will see an end to the war in Ukraine while he dismisses the American's threats to impose tariffs on imports - saying it's all avoidable.

  16. Nigel Farage doubles down on defending Muskpublished at 09:31 Greenwich Mean Time 5 January

    Back to Elon Musk's grooming scandals comments, Farage says that what Elon Musk says about other people isn't relevant.

    Laura says there's a difference between Musk voicing his opinion and sharing a misleading view with a "megaphone to millions".

    Farage says he believes in free speech even if it's offensive.

  17. Is what Musk said about Starmer acceptable?published at 09:27 Greenwich Mean Time 5 January

    Nigel Farage

    Laura re-asks the question - is what Musk said about Starmer acceptable?

    Farage responds that if it turns out that the PM, did, when he was the Director of Public Prosecutions, not prosecute the case out of fear of what it would do to public relations, then it would be fine for him to be criticised.

    He says the fact that Musk supports him and Reform doesn't mean they have to agree on everything.

  18. Kuenssberg pushes Farage on Musk's commentspublished at 09:22 Greenwich Mean Time 5 January

    Laura pushes Farage on Reform's failings, saying that Musk has made outlandish claims. She points out that Musk says Keir Starmer was complicit in rape of Britain.

    Farage says free speech has its limits, but before Musk came along and bought Twitter, now X, free speech was dying on social media.

    "People are allowed to have an opinion," he adds.

  19. 'Ultimate goal is win an election' - Nigel Faragepublished at 09:18 Greenwich Mean Time 5 January

    Farage says that his "ultimate goal" for the next general election is for Reform to win.

    To get there, he says he wants to focus on rebuilding the structure of the party this year and to ensure there is rigorous vetting of candidates, which he admits was a failure at the last election.

  20. Laura Kuenssberg quizzes Farage on Reform UK popularitypublished at 09:16 Greenwich Mean Time 5 January

    Nigel Farage is interviewed by Laura Kuenssberg

    Now comes Laura's interview with Nigel Farage. She spoke to him in Chelmsford yesterday and sat down with him afterwards.

    She begins be asking him if people are coming towards Reform UK because they are angry.

    "As they should be," Farage responds.

    He brings up the debate about the so-called grooming scandal, which Farage calls the "mass rape scandal".

    People ask themselves what has happened to our country? Why did everyone want to cover it up? Farage asks. But he says people are also angry economically - adding that mass migration "is making us poorer".