Southern Rail Strike: Live updates on Tuesday 13 December

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Updates on Tuesday 13 December 2016

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That's one way of avoiding the strike...published at 13:14 Greenwich Mean Time 13 December 2016
Claire Cottingham
BBC Live reporter
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Southern rail commuters vent travel frustrationspublished at 13:02 Greenwich Mean Time 13 December 2016
Commuters across the South East have been telling us how angry they are with the Southern strike.
'I just need a cup of coffee'published at 12:53 Greenwich Mean Time 13 December 2016
A commuter travelling into London from Reigate has been detailing his journey into work as drivers on Southern trains go out on strike.
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'It doesn't matter if they're right or wrong'published at 12:44 Greenwich Mean Time 13 December 2016
Claire Cottingham
BBC Live reporter
It's been mostly misery out there for Southern customers as they suspend all of their services today due to strikes.
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Aslef: 'It's not safe'published at 12:32 Greenwich Mean Time 13 December 2016
Claire Cottingham
BBC Live reporter
BBC reporter Briohny Williams has been speaking to Aslef District Secretary Graham Morris.
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Worried father: 'I really fear that something bad could happen'published at 12:18 Greenwich Mean Time 13 December 2016
Jason writes:
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The Reigate/Redhill to Tonbridge service is used by hundreds of school children. My daughter is in year 7 and regularly spending 11 hours or more a day out of the house. It is having a serious impact on her education.
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Yesterday the trains returning from Tonbridge were cancelled one after another. This left the children stuck in Tonbridge in the dark. The treatment of children is really appalling. I fear that a tragedy may put this dispute into some context.
Commuter: 'A third world service'published at 11:55 Greenwich Mean Time 13 December 2016
Claire Cottingham
BBC Live reporter
BBC reporter Briohny Williams has been talking to passengers heading to London. There's no praise for Southern.
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London Mayor offers to take over Southern Railpublished at 11:44 Greenwich Mean Time 13 December 2016
Sadiq Khan has repeated his offer to put Transport for London in control of Southern Rail.
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Watch: Big queues at station as passengers stuggle with the strikepublished at 11:41 Greenwich Mean Time 13 December 2016
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There was the confusion and disruption for passengers earlier at East Croydon station in south London as they tried to make their way into London.
How often do travel companies say sorry?published at 11:28 Greenwich Mean Time 13 December 2016
Fed up with waiting, one savvy public transport user decided to do something about the daily delays and apologies
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Commuter: 'Our life is being ruined'published at 11:18 Greenwich Mean Time 13 December 2016
Claire writes:
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My husband and I have commuted into London for nine years now. Seven of those from Horsham. This is the worst year we have ever experienced. Our life is being ruined.
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Our kids rarely see us in the week (thankfully I am now part time), we are always tired and stressed because we cannot plan anything...because we never know if we are going to get into work and home again. Our family life and relationships are being put under real pressure and strain."
Southern strike in numberspublished at 11:09 Greenwich Mean Time 13 December 2016
Stuart Maisner
BBC Live reporter
What impact will the latest Southern strike have on services and passengers?
''Thank you very much Southern'published at 10:59 Greenwich Mean Time 13 December 2016
Phil Horton, a teacher living in Caterham, Surrey, has recorded a video of his challenging journey to work during a Southern rail strike.
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In pictures: Your Southern strike photospublished at 10:53 Greenwich Mean Time 13 December 2016
You've been sending us your snaps of the #southernstrike, external - empty stations and overflowing trains seem to be the theme.
Image source, Jim Roberts
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A Thameslink train from Brighton this morning
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Lingfield station in this morning's rush hour
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Pedestrians who decided to use two legs instead of the train
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An empty East Croydon station, platforms four and five
Bad train service 'made me lose my job'published at 10:44 Greenwich Mean Time 13 December 2016
Claire Cottingham
BBC Live reporter
These commutators at East Croydon station shared their thoughts on the #southernstrike, external, with one customer saying she lost her job because of the poor service.
When are the Southern strikes taking place?published at 10:34 Greenwich Mean Time 13 December 2016
Here's a helpful graphic to show when the Southern strikes are taking place over the next month.
What do you think?published at 10:22 Greenwich Mean Time 13 December 2016
Bob Dale
BBC Live reporter
You've been tweeting us about today's industrial action by Southern's drivers. Please tweet us using the hashtag #southernstrike, external.
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Southern strike: What's it all about?published at 10:14 Greenwich Mean Time 13 December 2016
Richard Westcott
Transport correspondent
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In a nutshell, the Southern strike is about safety, jobs and politics.
On safety, Southern wants to bring in something called driver-only-operated (DOO) trains where the driver, rather than the conductor, opens and closes the doors. Unions say the on-board conductor/guard has a much better view of the doors and can stop people getting trapped.
Southern has guaranteed that no-one will lose their job, or take a pay cut. The second person will now be free to help passengers, they say.
Then there’s the politics. Ministers are paying Southern's parent company, GTR, to run services, while the government collects the fare money. So the cost of all the strikes and disruption is picked up by the government, not the train firm.
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Whatever happens here will be reflected in future franchises as they take delivery of new driver-only operated trains.
Right now, I really can't see how this dispute will end. No-one's budging on the critical issue. No-one's even talking.
Replace guards with 'zero-hour' contractspublished at 10:00 Greenwich Mean Time 13 December 2016
Claire Cottingham
BBC Live reporter
Simon Weller, from Aslef, said the strikes are not just about safety, but protecting "decent jobs".
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Passenger: 'I have entered a living commuter's nightmare'published at 09:46 Greenwich Mean Time 13 December 2016
Debbie from Hurst Green writes:
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I have reached the absolute end of my tether it is affecting my work life, my personal life and my mental well being. Waiting in stations, on platforms on trains for sometimes hours extra each day."