Summary

  • Prime Minister Rishi Sunak confirms a review of Post Office prosecutions and powers after the Horizon IT scandal saw hundreds "wrongfully treated"

  • He says it is an "appalling miscarriage of justice" and it is "important those people get the justice they deserve"

  • The PM defends his scrutiny of the controversial Rwanda asylum scheme while chancellor after BBC reported he had doubts

  • Strikes in England's NHS have hindered work to cut waiting times for patients, Sunak adds

  • He was being interviewed days after suggesting the next UK general election will come "in the second half of this year"

  • Labour leader Keir Starmer accused the PM of "dithering and delaying", while Lib Dem leader Ed Davey said Sunak had "bottled" it

  1. Sunak interview over - now, the panel will discuss what he saidpublished at 09:45 Greenwich Mean Time 7 January

    Laura has finished interviewing the prime minister and turns to the panel.

    Stay with us as we bring you their analysis, as well as clips from the interview

  2. Kuenssberg to Sunak: 'How can viewers have confidence in your project?'published at 09:42 Greenwich Mean Time 7 January

    Now onto politics, and the upcoming election.

    Sunak is asked about the resignations of Tory MPs - and the claim that 53 others are planning to stand down.

    How can viewers have confidence in your project, Kuenssberg asks?

    It's been a tough time for our country, Sunak says, referencing the pandemic, the war in Ukraine, and the struggling economy.

    But I believe we've "turned a corner", he says, and that his plan is starting to deliver the "long-term change the country needs".

    Kuenssberg says Labour leader Starmer's campaign is called "Project Hope" - what will your slogan be?

    Sunak replies that it's not about slogans, and its far more important to make a difference to people's lives.

    Sunak adds that his plan will help give people hope for the future and pride in their country.

  3. Will Sunak remove Post Office's ability to prosecute?published at 09:38 Greenwich Mean Time 7 January

    Laura asks if the government will take away the Post Office's ability to prosecute.

    Sunak replies that the justice secretary is looking at that.

    "Obviously there's legal complexity in all those things, but he's looking at that," Sunak says.

    "It's right that we find every way to try and make this right for the people who were wrongfully treated at the time."

  4. What is the Post Office scandal?published at 09:37 Greenwich Mean Time 7 January

    ITV drama poster for 'Mr Bates vs The Post Office'Image source, ITV
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    ITV's drama starring Toby Jones has sparked renewed debate over the Post Office scandal

    Between 1999 and 2015 more than 700 sub-postmasters were accused of wrongdoing based on information from a faulty accounting system, Horizon.

    Many say they were wrongly convicted.

    Police have confirmed that the Post Office is under investigation for possible fraud offences arising from the prosecutions.

    An ITV drama about the scandal has brought it back into the limelight, and 50 new potential victims contacted their lawyers following its success.

    Find out more here.

  5. Post Office scandal is 'appalling miscarriage of justice' - Sunakpublished at 09:35 Greenwich Mean Time 7 January

    Sunak

    Kuenssberg is now asking the prime minister about the Post Office scandal.

    A former postmistress, Susan Knight, asks Sunak what he will do to provide fair and final compensation to the victims of the scandal.

    Sunak says everyone has been "shocked" by what happened, calling it an "appalling miscarriage of justice".

    He says it is important they get the justice they deserve, and says the government has paid out more than £150m in compensation to those affected.

    He adds that anyone affected should come forward and talk to the relevant bodies.

    The Post Office, Kuenssberg reminds viewers, is wholly owned by the government.

  6. Sunak quizzed on whether National Insurance cuts helps those on low incomespublished at 09:34 Greenwich Mean Time 7 January

    Kuenssberg asks the prime minister about the tax burden, saying those on the lowest incomes have not benefitted from the recent cuts to National Insurance.

    Sunak says that the government has raised the national insurance threshold for those on the lowest income.

    The average person who earns £35,000 a year will see a tax cut worth £450, he says.

    Sunak is asked which bits of the public sector he wants to shrink.

    The PM says that the priority is to "control spending, control welfare so that we can cut people's taxers".

    He says it takes discipline to cut taxes, which is what he has done.

  7. Sunak: 'The plan is working, the job now is to stick to it'published at 09:33 Greenwich Mean Time 7 January

    A viewer called Gary wanted to put his question to Sunak, says Laura.

    Gary says that from "NHS delivery to potholes on roads and everything in between, delivery is getting worse and there are no signs of improvement in the near future... it's not good enough to blame Covid or wars, the bottom line is it feels worse for many ordinary people".

    Is he wrong?

    Sunak says that since last year, we've avoided a year-long deep recession, we've avoided that.

    Inflation was running at 11% and has now more than halved, he adds.

    The chancellor has now announced £20bn of tax cuts - they came in this weekend, Sunak says.

    "We've made progress, the plan is working, and the job now is to stick to that plan".

  8. People waiting 'far too long' for NHS treatment, Sunak sayspublished at 09:27 Greenwich Mean Time 7 January

    Continuing on the NHS, Laura says that NHS waiting lists are up.

    Sunak says he is still committed to bringing waiting lists down.

    He adds that he always said it would be around spring of 2024 that lists would fall properly.

    "In spite of the record resources we've put into the NHS, we are treating more people than ever before but waiting lists have not come down as much as I'd have liked," he says.

    Laura adds that 7.71 million people are waiting for procedures. "Yes, it's far too long," the prime minister agrees.

    Sunak accepts that has happened on his watch. "We are doing all the right things.... we've obviously been hindered by industrial action."

    The prime minister says that there was a period without any strikes at the end of last year, and waiting lists started to fall, which gives him confidence that once industrial action is resolved, waiting lists will continue to fall.

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  9. Sunak on NHS strikes: Our pay offer to junior doctors is already generouspublished at 09:25 Greenwich Mean Time 7 January

    Moving onto the NHS, the prime minister is asked whether he would be willing to improve his offer to junior doctors if strikes remain a problem.

    "We already have," says Sunak. He says the government has reached a resolution with every other part of the NHS, and that the only holdouts that remain are the junior doctors.

    The pay offer that they already have is "more generous" than other parts of the NHS, he says.

    "I would strongly urge them to come back, talk to the governement so that we can resolve this industrial action and start getting the waiting lists down."

  10. 'I won't let a foreign court stop our ability to remove people' - Sunakpublished at 09:22 Greenwich Mean Time 7 January

    Kuenssberg asks how the prime minister would get around Rule 39 - an emergency measure by European courts to stop a plane from taking off for Rwanda.

    Sunak says that he remains determined to stop the boats, and "won't let a foreign court stop our ability to remove people".

    He declines to answer if he will ignore a Rule 39 measure.

    Sunak adds that illegal arrivals have gone down by over a third since he has been PM - while they have risen in the Europe.

  11. Sunak: 'If you come here illegally, you shouldn't be able to stay here'published at 09:20 Greenwich Mean Time 7 January

    Rishi Sunak says the principle of the deterrent is that "if you come here illegally, you shouldn't be able to stay here and you will be returned, either to your home country or to a safe alternative like Rwanda".

    He adds: "The principle is that you won't be able to stay here because we will have somewhere else to send you."

    Sunak goes on to say that the Labour party disagrees with having a deterrent and a workable returns agreement, but his view is that you can't solve the problem without it.

    Laura Kuenssberg says that Sir Keir Starmer will be appearing on the programme next week and she'll be sure to ask him about his views.

  12. Sunak: I had no hesitations on Rwanda policypublished at 09:18 Greenwich Mean Time 7 January

    Sunak is pressed on the controversial scheme to send migrants to Rwanda. Does he deny completely that he ever had any doubts about the efficacy of sending migrants to Rwanda?

    "I absolutely believe in the value of having deterrence," Sunak says. He links the Rwanda scheme and the returns deal with Albania, saying they both act as deterrents to prevent asylum seekers from illegally coming to the UK.

    He says he was chancellor when the scheme was funded and passed.

    Are you admitting you had hesitations, Kuenssberg presses?

    "No," he replies.

    Sunak adds that it was his job to ask probing questions about every policy that came across his desk, and that just because someone asks tough questions does not mean they disagree with a proposal.

  13. Sunak quizzed on whether he doubted Rwanda schemepublished at 09:15 Greenwich Mean Time 7 January

    After a quick discussion with the panel, Laura Kuenssberg kicks off the programme with the first question to the prime minister, about immigration.

    Referencing documents seen by the BBC, she asks the PM if he will admit that he had reservations about the Rwanda policy.

    Sunak says no. He adds that he when he was chancellor he discussed the policy with then-PM Boris Johnson, and then funded the policy.

    On deterrence, he says he signed a new deal with Albania after becoming PM, which saw numbers arriving from Albania dropping, which he says shows that deterrence works.

    Laura says the documents she had seen described his view as being that deterrence would not work. Does he agree with that?

    Sunak says he hasn't seen these documents that she's referring to, and his truth is in his action - he prioritised getting the scheme up and running from Albania.

  14. A journalist, a crossbench peer and an actor on the panelpublished at 09:08 Greenwich Mean Time 7 January

    Casey holding a final copy of her review into the Met Police following the murder of Sarah EverardImage source, PA Media
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    Baroness Louise Casey

    This week's panel have just discussed what Rishi Sunak needs to do to persuade voters to vote for the Conservatives in the general election. He needs to project an image of hope, they say, and needs to turn things around if he hopes to be elected Prime Minister.

    • Fraser Nelson: British journalist, editor of the Spectator magazine and a columnist for the Daily Telegraph. He’s an avid political commentator and regularly shares his views on social media
    • Baroness Louise Casey: A crossbench peer in the House of Lords since 2020. She’s held a number of top jobs including being made director general of the government’s Troubled Families scheme in 2011. Casey’s name became well-known in 2021 when she was appointed to lead an independent review of the Met Police following the murder of Sarah Everard by a serving officer - her review found that the force had issues with racism, misogyny and homophobia
    • Jon Culshaw: English actor, comedian and impressionist. Arguably best known for his role in the comedy impressions show Dead Ringers, which aired first on BBC Radio 4 and then became a TV series on BBC Two until 2009
    Fraser Nelson attends The Spectator's lifestyle magazine celebrates its sixth birthday at The Hari on 25 April 2018 in LondonImage source, Getty Images
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    Journalist Fraser Nelson

  15. Here we gopublished at 09:01 Greenwich Mean Time 7 January

    It’s that time - Sunday with Laura Kuenssberg is now live now on BBC One, the BBC News Channel and BBC iPlayer.

    Press Play above to watch the show and we’ll bring you live text updates, clips, reaction and analysis right here on this page.

  16. Starmer says Sunak 'putting vanity before the country'published at 08:56 Greenwich Mean Time 7 January

    While we wait for Rishi Sunak to appear on Laura Kuenssberg's programme in a few minutes, Sir Keir Starmer has been speaking to Sky News.

    He said that the country was ready for an election and the sooner it was held, the better.

    The Labour leader accused the PM of not having a plan, saying the only reason Sunak had suggested the latter part of the year for the vote was because he "wanted to have two years clocked up of his own premiership".

    Sunak was "putting vanity before the country," Starmer said.

    Starmer was also pressed on several issues that will come up in this election year.

    On tax cuts, he refused to say which tax he would cut first to reduce the burden on working people, instead saying that the only way to do that was to grow the economy.

    He added that growing the economy was one of Labour's "five central missions", another being to delivery clean power by 2030 which he said would "reduce our bills" and guarantee energy security.

  17. Watch live from 09:00 GMTpublished at 08:52 Greenwich Mean Time 7 January

    As always, you’ll be able to watch Sunday with Laura Kuenssberg live at 09:00 GMT without leaving this page - just hit Play at the top.

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    The programme will also be available on BBC One and iPlayer.

    We’ll bring you live updates, clips, reaction and analysis right here. Stay tuned.

  18. Sunak had significant doubt over Rwanda plan, papers suggestpublished at 08:44 Greenwich Mean Time 7 January

    Laura Kuenssberg
    Presenter, Sunday with Laura Kuenssberg

    Rishi Sunak defended his Rwanda plans at a press conference on ThursdayImage source, PA Media
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    Rishi Sunak defended his Rwanda plans at a press conference on Thursday

    Rishi Sunak had significant doubts about sending migrants to Rwanda when he was chancellor, papers seen by the BBC suggest.

    They suggest Sunak wanted to scale back No 10's original plans.

    They also indicate he was not sure the plan would stop Channel crossings. We'll explore this more in our interview with him today.

    And they suggest he was reluctant to fund reception centres to accommodate migrants instead of using hotels or private housing because "hotels are cheaper".

    As prime minister, under pressure from his party, Sunak has made the Rwanda plan one of his top priorities.

    The scheme to send some asylum seekers to Rwanda for processing and potentially resettlement, in order to deter people from crossing the English Channel in small boats, was first announced by then-Prime Minister Boris Johnson in April 2022.

    Sunak - who became prime minister in October 2022 - was Chancellor of the Exchequer when the Rwanda policy was announced.

    The deal has been repeatedly delayed by legal challenges and no asylum seekers have been sent from the UK so far.

    Read the full article here.

  19. 'We shouldn't be surprised if Sunak thinks waiting is better'published at 08:35 Greenwich Mean Time 7 January

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    John Curtice is a professor of politics at Strathclyde University

    On Friday, polling guru Prof John Curtice spoke to the BBC about why Rishi Sunak may want to delay a general election until the second half of 2024.

    He told BBC Radio 4's Today programme the Conservatives are averaging around 25% in the polls. He acknowledged that Labour's support has shortened - down five percentage points to 41% at the end of December, according to the latest Ipsos data, external - but questioned whether the Tories could close the gap entirely by May.

    "Does [Sunak] take the risk of being a prime minister for only 18 months, which is what a May election would imply,” Curtice said, “or does he at least bank the two years he's definitely, potentially got by waiting until October or November?"

    Considering it's the PM's own decision to decide what happens here, Curtice added, "we shouldn't be surprised if he's thinking that maybe it's better to go for as long as possible".

    And on what might need to improve before Sunak calls the election, such as the UK economy, Curtice said it's not only about things getting better:

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    "The government will also have to persuade the public that they deserve credit for this - and the problem they face at the moment is, people blame the government, rightly or wrongly, for the state of the economy. Not least because of the experience of Liz truss's ill-fated administration."

  20. Sunak suggests general election in second half of yearpublished at 08:29 Greenwich Mean Time 7 January

    Earlier this week the PM said he was working on the assumption that he’ll hold a general election "in the second half of this year".

    There’d been speculation he might call one in May, when there are local elections but Rishi Sunak told broadcasters: "I've got lots that I want to get on with."

    Sunak declined to rule out a May election categorically, but repeated his intention to go to the country later in the year: "I want to keep going, managing the economy well and cutting people's taxes.

    Labour leader Sir Keir Starmer accused him of "squatting in Downing Street for months on end, dithering and delaying while the country wants change".

    Read more on this here.