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  • The Health Committee questioned the author of legislation that would introduce a soft opt-out for organ donation, as well as Scotland's top organ transplant clinician and the public health minister

  • Topical questions on flooding and the Glasgow bin lorry tragedy

  • The transport minister delivered an emergency statement on the Forth Road Bridge closure

  • MSPs debated the Criminal Justice Bill which sets out police powers to arrest, question and detain people

  • The member's debate focused on the campaign against Aberdeen's controversial Marischal Square project

  1. Estimated costs for Transplantation Bill are £6.8m over 10 yearspublished at 12:36

    Committee convener Duncan McNeil says the government has concerns about the costs of the proposed legislation.

    Ms McTaggart says the estimated costs are £6.8m over 10 years.

    The Labour MSP says the Welsh costs have been verified and they are on target.

  2. The bill will increase conversations around the dinner table, about organ donationspublished at 12:32

    Ms McTaggart says her bill would raise awareness, education and advertising and increase conversations around the dinner table which is crucial. 

  3. Improved security for those who want to opt-outpublished at 12:29

    There will always be people who want to opt-out of the organ donation register and this legislation will provide them with more security, says Ms McTaggart.

  4. Family refusal level at 46% says Labour MSPpublished at 12:26

    Ms McTaggart says the legislation is about enabling and empowering the clinical leads to go into a conversation about organ donation.

    Anne McTaggart

    The Labour MSP says there is a 46% family refusal level at the moment as people are not aware of what their loved ones would have wished for.

    An opt-out would mean the family would not be approached at all, she adds.

  5. NHS policy is not to remove organs if it would cause significant distress to relativespublished at 12:22

    Committee convener Duncan McNeil raises the issue of the concern that a proxy's view could supercede that of the familiy.

    Committee convener Duncan McNeil

    Ms McTaggart says in practice NHS policy is not to remove organs, even where there is authorisation, if it would cause significant distress to relatives.

    She says no clinician will override the families wishes.

  6. The need for a Scottish bill on organ donors explainedpublished at 12;18

    Lousie Miller from the Office of the Solicitor to the Scottish Parliament explains the differences in law that required separate legislation for Scotland and why the Welsh bill could not be adopted here.   

    Lousie Miller from the Office of the Solicitor to the Scottish Parliament
  7. Ms McTaggart receives praise for 'huge service' on organ donors issuepublished at 12:16

    SNP MSP Bob Doris praises the "huge service" Anne McTaggart has done by putting this issue before the committee and in the public.

    SNP MSP Bob Doris
  8. It is not in Scottish culture to discuss what happens to our organs after deathpublished at 12:14

    It is not in Scottish culture to discuss what happens to our organs after death, says Ms McTaggart.

    She says many families do not know what a loved one's wishes were in relation to organ donation.

    The Labour MSP says it is important to encourage the conversation about organ donation across Scotland.

  9. Age limit of 16yrs for soft opt-out in organ donationpublished at 12:10

    Ms McTaggart says there was 67% of those consulted that agreed for the age limit to be 16 years old.

    Labour MSP Anne McTaggart

    The Labour MSP says it was from discussions with the Scottish Youth Parliament that the measures relating to proxies came from.

  10. Concerns about the issue of AIPs and proxies is raised againpublished at 12:06

    SNP MSP Bob Doris again raises the issue of the Authorised Investigating Person (AIP) and the proxies.

    Mr Doris asks if Ms McTaggart sees any weaknesses in this bill.

    SNP MSP Bob Doris

    The Labour MSP says: "I want this bill to be the best bill it can be to obviously increase organ donations."

    Ms McTaggart says she is looking to reduce the number of proxies from three to two. 

  11. A number of countries have better organ transplantation figures than Scotlandpublished at 12:02

    Labour MSP Anne McTaggart cites a number of countries whose figures are far better than Scotland's in relation to organ transplantation.

    Her colleague Rhoda Grant asks if she would be happy with amendments being brought forward in relation to AIPs.

    Labour MSP Anne McTaggart

    Ms McTaggart says she is not sure that Scotland would want to be different from the rest of the UK.

  12. 'In principle all amendments are possible' to the Transplantation Billpublished at 11:57

    Lousie Miller from the Office of the Solicitor to the Scottish Parliament says there is no reason in principle why the bill can't be amended as far as the parliament wants to. 

    Louise Miller from the Office of the Solicitor to the Scottish Parliament

      "In principle all amendments are possible."  

  13. 'Lets make this the best bill for the people that require it'published at 11:55

    SNP MSP Mike Mackenzie asks to what extent Ms McTaggart would be willing to accept amendments to her Transplantation Bill.

    SNP MSP Mike Mackenzie

    Ms McTaggart says she has stated from the very outset "it is not her bill this is our bill".

    She says: "If there is amendments to make lets make them.

    "Let's make this the best bill for the people that require it."

  14. The legislation is necessarypublished at 11:53

    SNP MSP Dennis Robertson asks if education and awareness could work without legislation.

    Ms McTaggart says given the drop in figures last year and a further drop next year she does not think that is the case.

  15. This bill is the best opportunity to increase organ donation - Labour MSPpublished at 11:51

    Labour MSP Anne McTaggart says the intention of the bill is to increase organs available. 

    Labour MSP Anne McTaggart

    Mr Robertson says he accepts that 100% and he says the job of the committee is to consider the risk associated with the bill. 

    He asks if the soft opt-out presents the best opportunity to increase organ donation. 

     "Absolutely." Replies Ms McTaggart. 

  16. Labour MSP 'not sure' why the government can't see the evidence for soft opt-outpublished at 11:48

    SNP MSP Dennis Robertson says that there is some dispute over what Anne McTaggart and the government say in term of evidence, he asks why this is.

    SNP MSP Dennis Robertson

    Ms McTaggart says if you don't want a bill to go through you can pick holes in it and produce a 22 page report picking it apart but the evidence is there.

    The Labour MSP adds she is not sure why they see the evidence differently. 

  17. Give people waiting for organs the 'gift of hope' - Labour MSPpublished at 11:49

    Labour MSP Anne McTaggart says the Scottish government takes the view that doing better than it did in 2007 is good enough.  

    "Should that really be the extent of our ambition?

    "This is about solely saving lives.

    "Please, please consider the impact this legislation could have on human lives."

    Ms McTaggart calls on the committee to give those people waiting for an organ the "gift of hope".   

  18. The legislation will 'save more lives'published at 11:44

    Labour MSP Anne McTaggart says her Transplantation Bill aims to increase the number of deceased donors and save more lives. 

    Ms McTaggart details the impact on families waiting for an organ donation and says despite the improvements unfortunately the demand for organs still outweighs the number of organs donated. 

    Labour MSP Anne McTaggart

    The Labour MSP says three people die each day in the UK who are in need of an organ transplant. 

    This is far too many she says and adds there is a lot of support for the soft opt-out with 80% of those consulted backing it. 

  19. MSPs will now quiz the author of the Transplantation Billpublished at 11:38

    MSPs will now quiz the author of the Transplantation Bill, Labour MSP Anne McTaggart and Diane Barr from the Non-Government Bills Unit and Lousie Miller from the Office of the Solicitor to the Scottish Parliament.

    Labour MSP Anne McTaggart and Diane Barr from the Non-Government Bills Unit and Lousie Miller from the Office of the Solicitor to the Scottish Parliament.
  20. Government 'fearful about the impact of the complexities of the Transplantation Bill'published at 11:37

    Public Health Minister Maureen Watt says we all want the same thing but it must be done absolutely correctly. 

    Maureen Watt giving evidence during the Transplantation (Authorisation of Removal of Organs etc.) (Scotland) Bill

    Ms Watt says the government is fearful about the impact of the complexities of the Transplantation Bill.  

    That concludes the first evidence session.