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Your thoughts after Man Utd 0-1 Everton

  1. Stat attackpublished at 09:42 GMT

    Man Utd 0-1 Everton

    • Manchester United have lost a Premier League at Old Trafford after seeing the opposition pick up a red card for the first time ever, winning 36 and drawing 10 of the previous 46.
    • Courtesy of Idrissa Gueye’s dismissal, Everton picked up their 110th red card in the Premier League, the joint-most of any club along with Arsenal.
    • Gueye picked up his second sending off for Everton in the Premier League, also seeing red against Arsenal in October 2017.
    • David Moyes enjoyed his first win as a visiting manager to Old Trafford in the Premier League, on his 18th attempt (D4 L13).
    • After Everton’s goal on 28 minutes 38 seconds, the Toffees failed to muster a single shot, while Manchester United managed 23, with six on target.
  2. Unprecedented defeat for Man Utdpublished at 09:37 GMT

    Man Utd 0-1 Everton

    Tom McCoy
    BBC Sport journalist

    Manchester United went into last night's game against Everton unbeaten in five matches, but that mini-revival came to a juddering halt as they set an unwanted new record.

    It is the first time the Red Devils have lost a Premier League home game despite their opponents having a player sent off.

    It is all the more damning that Idrissa Gueye’s red card came so early in the match – Ruben Amorim’s side had an extra man for 77 minutes but failed to make it count.

    But credit is also due to the Merseysiders for making light of their numerical disadvantage. It is the first time they have won a top-flight game after having a player dismissed in the opening 45 minutes since August 2006.

    David Moyes was also the manager for that game, a 2-0 victory at Tottenham in which Kevin Kilbane was given his marching orders in the 33rd minute.

    Manchester United's record in Premier League home games where the opposition have a player sent off
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    Get Involvedpublished at 09:35 GMT

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    I had a full blown punch up with my fellow centre back. We lost 1-0 and argued whose fault the goal was. It got broke up and we went down the pub afterwards. Happy days!

    Chris, Tilbury

    A superbly Sunday League story from Chris.

  4. Recap - Gueye sent off in Everton winpublished at 09:30 GMT

    Man Utd 0-1 Everton

    Everton midfielder Idrissa Gueye was sent off for slapping his team-mate Michael Keane, but they still beat Manchester United 1-0 at Old Trafford last night.

    We have been reacting to the game and that incident in particular on this live page this morning.

    Here's a quick recap of everything we have discussed so far:

    We have also had texts from the readers coming in and you can click on the 'Get Involved' tab to send in your thoughts on the result and the red card.

    You can also use the poll at the top of the page to tell us whether Gueye should have been sent off.

    Everton celebrateImage source, Getty Images
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    Get Involvedpublished at 09:26 GMT

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    Spurs, Man Utd and Liverpool have formed a Super League in mid-table

    Adrian

  6. Everton looking down on Liverpoolpublished at 09:23 GMT

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    Simon Stone
    BBC Sport chief football news reporter at Old Trafford

    It might have got lost around the wider game last night but Everton are now above Liverpool in the Premier League table.

    I know for a fact David Moyes knew - and would have been happy to talk about it in his post-match press conference.

    I also know the Everton fans knew because long after the final whistle they were still singing about 'looking down on the red...' something or other.

    These things matter in a city where the support for respective clubs runs deep - and where Liverpool have dominated for so long.

  7. Where does this leave the table?published at 09:20 GMT

    Man Utd 0-1 Everton

    Manchester United missed the chance to potentially move into the Premier League top four with victory last night, and stay 10th in the congested mid-table.

    One place behind them are Everton, who thanks to victory last night are now above Merseyside rivals Liverpool in the table..

    PL tableImage source, BBC Sport
  8. get involved

    Get Involvedpublished at 09:15 GMT

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    Sending Gueye off was nothing like an offside/VAR decision we usually see. It might be light but given how many years it's been since this last happened it clearly works as deterrent. It's really not difficult to avoid hitting your teammates, it's pathetic and petulant from a grown man.

    Harry, Manchester

    Anyone justifying, condoning or accepting of Gueye's behaviour and critical of the ref's decision is basically saying to kids that you can slap someone on the pitch and you you should be able to get away with it and continue playing.

    Ian, Lincoln

  9. 'Can the ref manage the situation better?'published at 09:10 GMT

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    Former Manchester United defender Gary Neville said of the red card incident on Sky Sports: "There is no doubt a hand comes out to the face but it didn't look too much.

    "They might have had to send him off purely because there is a strike to the face.

    "They were not fighting, it wasn't a scrap. It could have been dealt with by a yellow. I don't think it needed to be a red.

    Sky Sports pundit Jamie Carragher: "I just think, can a referee manage the situation a bit better?

    "Can you get the two of them together and say: 'Hey can you behave yourselves?' Just sort of manage the situation rather than, that's the rulebook."

    EvertonImage source, Getty Images
  10. 'I want to be in that dressing room'published at 09:06 GMT

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    Joe Hart
    Former Celtic goalkeeper on BBC Radio 5 Live's Monday Night Club

    As soon as that whistle blew, David Moyes was on the jog because something could be going off in that dressing room right now.

    Idrissa Gueye was fuming. Whether it was wrong or right, he has got a red card and red mist has descended.

    Michael Keane was on the jog as well, he was going for the dressing room too! I'm missing football, I want to be in that dressing room right now.

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    Get Involvedpublished at 09:00 GMT

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    The fight reminded me of the time Adebeyor gave Bendtner a bloody nose in 2008 when Arsenal were playing Spurs. We couldn't believe that they were fighting each other on the pitch. No red card though.

    Ray, Essex

    Adebeyor and BendtnerImage source, Getty Images
  12. The most famous fightpublished at 08:55 GMT

    Newcastle United

    In what was possibly the Premier League's most iconic case of warring team-mates, Lee Bowyer and Kieron Dyer traded blows in astonishing scenes - with opposition midfielder Gareth Barry stepping in to break them up.

    With Newcastle already down to 10 men and trailing Aston Villa 3-0 at home, both players were sent off - with Dyer given a three-match ban and Bowyer suspended for seven games.

    Media caption,

    Premier League: When team-mates fight - Dyer v Bowyer

  13. When team mates fightpublished at 08:50 GMT

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    According to Opta, this was only the third time since 2000-01 that a player has been sent off in the Premier League for clashing with their own team-mate.

    The previous incident came in 2008, when Stoke's Ricardo Fuller was sent off for a clash with team mate Andy Griffin.

    Stoke were leading 1-0 at West Ham when Griffin slipped, allowing Carlton Cole to equalise for the Hammers.

    That was the cue for pandemonium to break out as Potters forward Fuller gave his captain an earful and slapped him in the face, which got him sent off.

    Oh, and the hosts went on to score a late winner.

    Ricardo FullerImage source, Getty Images
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    Get Involvedpublished at 08:45 GMT

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    Just watched the incident. Not sure I'd even give a yellow to be honest. Probably leave captain and coach to sort it. That said, I also fully agree with Simon Stone's point about the law not changing if it's two opponents.

    Ben, Northumberland

    re Adam at 8.30 - Don't know about you, but I don't tend to slide tackle people at work either, or roll around on the floor if I stub my toe. Hardly comparable situations.

    Gemma, Brighton

  15. We deserved to lose - Amorimpublished at 08:42 GMT

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    Simon Stone
    BBC Sport chief football news reporter at Old Trafford

    Watching last night's game made me wonder just how much progress has been made at Manchester United in the year Ruben Amorim has been in charge.

    The first half in particular was poor and even in the second, when Jordan Pickford made three good saves - although none I would regard as being extraordinary for a goalkeeper of his standing - United gave the ball away far too easily.

    "I think they were the better team," said Amorim. "With 11, they defended really well. With 10 men, for 70 minutes.

    "I think we deserved to lose. We didn't play well. We didn't play with the right intensity."

    Ruben AmorimImage source, Getty Images
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    Get Involvedpublished at 08:38 GMT

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    Overreaction from the referee. More contact takes place at every corner & the officials do nothing about it. Overzealous incompetence.

    Paul, Wirral

  17. Should Keane have been sent off too?published at 08:35 GMT

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    Darren Cann
    Former Premier League assistant referee on BBC Radio 5 Live's Monday Night Club

    For Michael Keane's push to be violent conduct, it would need to be on the face as opposed to on the chest.

    Of course you can still be sent off if you punch somebody in the chest, but I would suggest that Michael Keane's push away was more him telling Idrissa Gueye to get off him.

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    Get Involvedpublished at 08:30 GMT

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    Let's actually look at this properly. Gueye has walked over to a colleague at work and slapped him in the face during a disagreement. Of course it's a red and a huge fine, for me he's dropped for a good while. Can't paper over it because Everton won.

    Adam, Rotherham

    Gueye is 36, he's banned for three games then off to Afcon. It was unacceptable what he did. It's our last chance to sell him for a fee. Moyes needs to show authority and let him go.

    Neale, Kirkby

  19. 'This act was clearly in anger'published at 08:25 GMT

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    Darren Cann
    Former Premier League assistant referee on BBC Radio 5 Live's Monday Night Club

    In terms of violent conduct, it doesn't actually matter whether the offence is on an opponent, on a team-mate or on a spectator - it is still an act of violent conduct.

    I agree that it wasn't a Lee Bowyer/Kieron Dyer incident, but you can't constitute for various different levels of situation. All the law talks about is contact in an opponent's face with the hand or arm.

    Unless it is negligible force, and what we mean by that is a little tap on the cheek, then it is a red card. This act was clearly in anger after a disagreement.

    GueyeImage source, Getty Images
  20. get involved

    Get Involvedpublished at 08:20 GMT

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    Are both managers risking the possibility of being charged with bringing the game into disrepute by their support for players fighting each other?

    Nick, Brentford