Summary

  • Premier League reaction as Arsenal draw with Liverpool

  • Man Utd lose again to pile more pressure on manager Erik ten Hag

  • Wins for Crystal Palace v Spurs & Chelsea v Newcastle, plus rest of weekend talking points

  • Phil McNulty Q&A to come - get your questions in this morning for our chief football writer to answer

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    Get Involved - Was it a penalty for West Ham?published at 09:17 Greenwich Mean Time

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    Awarding West Ham that penalty is a solid step in the direction of making football a non-contact sport. Utterly ridiculous decision.

    Aly

  2. 'I think time has run out for Ten Hag'published at 09:15 Greenwich Mean Time

    West Ham 2-1 Man Utd

    Nigel Reo-Coker
    Former West Ham midfielder on the Football Daily podcast

    I think time has run out [for Erik ten Hag]. I think right now they are just waiting to see what the best option is and what the best next move is for Manchester United.

    One of the things you have to think about is, are you going to get a manager just to fill in the gap again or are you now going to find the right manager for the real long-term plan and development, and trying to compete to where you want to be and where the club should be competing, so that's the big decision.

    I think for me, the Erik ten Hag era is pretty much over. I think now the big decision that has to be made is, who's next and who's going to fit what the goal and the dream and ambition of this club is.

    Manager Erik ten Hag and Matthijs de Ligt applaud the Manchester United fans after their defeat at West HamImage source, Reuters
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    Get Involved - Was it a penalty for West Ham?published at 09:09 Greenwich Mean Time

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    Anon: 09:02 @Martin - That’s exactly why we don’t see any improvement with VAR. As fans we should be asking for better but as usual, petty bias gets in the way of progress!

  4. 'I can understand Man Utd's frustrations but they have to look at themselves'published at 09:07 Greenwich Mean Time

    West Ham 2-1 Man Utd

    John Murray
    BBC Radio 5 Live chief football correspondent

    It is a surprise [that the referee was sent to the monitor]. I thought we were going the other way. I thought there was that non-interventionist style of VAR. More like what we are used to seeing in the Champions League with the officials there. Unless they absolutely have to [interfere], they leave it to the referee's on-field decision.

    So it was a surprise to me that Michael Oliver, one of the best referees in Europe, decided to call David Coote to have another look at that. Of course, as soon as that happens, you know what the result is going to be.

    I can understand Manchester United and Erik ten Hag's frustrations, certainly with that, but again they have to look at themselves. They weren't able to take the chances and that's a recurring problem for Manchester United.

    Diogo Dalot looking frustrated after missing a chance for Manchester United at West HamImage source, Reuters
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    Get Involved - Was it a penalty for West Ham?published at 09:02 Greenwich Mean Time

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    Two things are true: (1) the decision to give West Ham a penalty was absolutely awful and needless re-refereeing by Michael Oliver, and (2) it was funny because it happened to Manchester United.

    Martin

  6. 'This is definitely not a clear and obvious mistake by the referee'published at 09:00 Greenwich Mean Time

    West Ham 2-1 Man Utd

    Manchester United

    Here's what Manchester United manager Erik ten Hag had to say after Sunday's game: "We know, we have to score. We created so many chances, at half-time we should have been 2-0 or 3-0 up.

    "But it feels very unfair, an injustice, the way we concede the penalty. There was an incident but it was so difficult to see, and before the season we had the instruction that only with a clear and obvious mistake then the VAR has to interfere. This is definitely not a clear and obvious mistake by the referee on the field."

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    'This is not right' - Ten Hag upset with West Ham penalty decision

  7. 'It's stone cold, 100% not a penalty'published at 08:55 Greenwich Mean Time

    West Ham 2-1 Man Utd

    Nigel Reo-Coker
    Former West Ham midfielder on the Football Daily podcast

    It's not often I agree with Erik ten Hag but this is one of the few times I will - it wasn't a penalty.

    It's one of those where you want your defender to put a presence and a body there. There is a lot going on in such a short moment of time. It's more of a coming together and it's not really a penalty in my opinion - stone cold, 100% not a penalty.

    I do feel for Manchester United, it was harshly done. It wasn't a terrific or great performance from United anyway, but in that big moment there, it wasn't a penalty.

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    Erik ten Hag jesticulates to the fourth official during Manchester United's defeat at West HamImage source, Reuters
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    Get Involved - Was it a penalty for West Ham?published at 08:51 Greenwich Mean Time

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    What are your thoughts?

    Should Michael Oliver have intervened? Did the officials follow their own guidance on potentially overturning the 'referee's call'?

    Plenty of you have already let us know your views but please keep them coming.

    Matthijs de Ligt collides with Danny Ings during West Ham's win over Manchester United, which was awarded as a penaltyImage source, PA Media
  9. 'It's not a penalty, I feel sorry for De Ligt'published at 08:47 Greenwich Mean Time

    West Ham 2-1 Man Utd

    MOTD2

    You can view the penalty incident below and hear the thoughts of Micah Richards and Stephen Warnock on Match of the Day 2.

    Richards says: "It's not a penalty. I feel sorry for [Matthijs] De Ligt, [Danny] Ings has sort of jumped into him."

    Warnock adds: "It looks clumsy for De Ligt but it's that close, the proximity, what's he meant to do? It's a coming together, it's not a penalty. This is one that VAR has got wrong. I just don't think there was any need to step in on that decision."

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    'VAR have got it wrong' - MOTD2 pundits on West Ham penalty award

  10. Referee's call overturned in Man Utd defeatpublished at 08:40 Greenwich Mean Time

    West Ham 2-1 Man Utd

    Simon Stone
    BBC Sport's chief football news reporter

    There is loads to unpick about Manchester United's defeat at London Stadium, not least the reality that if Erik ten Hag's team had taken all the chances they created in the first half, what happened at the end would not have mattered.

    But it is clear Ten Hag will focus on the moment that cost his team a point.

    The Professional Game Match Officials Limited (PGMOL) has not changed its guidance to VAR officials since the start of the season, when the Premier League’s chief football officer Tony Scholes underlined the view around 'Referee's Call'.

    The guidance is: "'Referee’s Call' really is just an introduction of a terminology to make it clear that the initial decision by the on-pitch official is critical. It's similar to what exists in other sports like cricket and 'Umpire’s Call'.

    "The referee’s call should stand unless the VAR, based on readily available evidence, can see without doubt the on-pitch official has made a clear mistake. In the absence of that clear evidence, the referee’s call will stand."

  11. Why was West Ham's penalty awarded?published at 08:33 Greenwich Mean Time

    West Ham 2-1 Man Utd

    Premier League

    West Ham's winner against Manchester United was a penalty scored by Jarrod Bowen. Referee David Coote allowed play to continue after Matthijs de Ligt collided with Danny Ings in the visitors' penalty area.

    Michael Oliver, the video assistant referee, then advised Coote to look at the pitchside monitor and after reviewing the incident numerous times, Coote overturned his on-field decision.

    The Premier League later explained on its Match Centre account on X, external that there was "sufficient contact" to award the penalty.

    "The referee did not award a penalty to West Ham for a challenge by de Ligt on Ings," it said.

    "The VAR deemed there was sufficient contact on Ings' lower leg and recommended an on-field review. The referee overturned his original decision and awarded a penalty."

    Matthijs de Ligt collides with Danny Ings during West Ham's win over Manchester United, which was awarded as a penaltyImage source, PA Media
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    Get Involved - Phil McNulty Q&Apublished at 08:25 Greenwich Mean Time

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    There have been a lot of controversial decisions and dramatic results over the weekend - we'll be moving on to Sunday's controversy at London Stadium next.

    The BBC's chief football writer Phil McNulty will be joining us shortly to tackle those burning football issues so please use the information above to send in your questions.

    Phil will get to them from 09:30 GMT, and please remember to leave your name with your message.

  13. Can Arsenal & Liverpool unseat Man City?published at 08:21 Greenwich Mean Time

    John Murray
    BBC Radio 5 Live chief football correspondent

    The question is - after that, are we any wiser about Arsenal and Liverpool’s hopes of unseating the champions Manchester City?

    What we do know is that even without Rodri long term, and without Kevin de Bruyne at the moment, and without Kyle Walker, Jeremy Doku and Jack Grealish on Saturday, Manchester City are the Premier League’s only remaining unbeaten team this season and lie one point ahead of Liverpool and five ahead of Arsenal with almost a quarter of the league season played.

    We felt we would know more about Liverpool’s credentials after Sunday, but I’m not sure we do. However, the feeling was that after the last international window we would find out more what Arne Slot’s team are made of and they’ve come through a testing run of Chelsea at home, Leipzig away and Arsenal away with two wins and a draw.

    For them though, those tests keep coming match after match with two games against Brighton, then Bayer Leverkusen and Aston Villa, plus Real Madrid and Manchester City not long after that.

    For Arsenal, yes they have been severely hit with absentees in defence and on Sunday they ended up with a back four of Thomas Partey, Ben White, Jakub Kiwior and Myles Lewis-Skelly. None of them are first-choice in those positions, and it was then Liverpool found a way through to make it 2-2.

    There will be an anxious wait now for Mikel Arteta to find the extent of the knee or ankle problem that meant Gabriel could not run and forced him off. What is sure is that Arsenal will have to make do and mend, and with tricky away matches coming at Newcastle and Chelsea, they cannot afford to slip much further behind.

  14. Top half of Premier League table - how it standspublished at 08:15 Greenwich Mean Time

    Arsenal have only lost one of their opening nine Premier League games this season, and despite taking points off previous leaders Liverpool on Sunday, they're now five points adrift of defending champions Manchester City.

    Here's how the top half of the table looks after Sunday's games.

    Top half of the Premier League table after games on 27 October 2024
  15. Gunners dig deep - but at what cost as ominous gap opens up?published at 08:09 Greenwich Mean Time

    Arsenal 2-2 Liverpool

    Phil McNulty
    BBC Sport chief football writer at Emirates Stadium

    Arsenal have been looking for every vital sign that this is the season when they will finally make the leap from pretenders to Premier League champions – but the indications are already ominous.

    Mikel Arteta’s side showed plenty of guts in defensively reduced circumstances in the 2-2 draw with Liverpool at Emirates Stadium, but there will be deep frustration at getting one point rather than three.

    Arsenal had victory in their sights as they led through Bukayo Saka and Mikel Merino’s goals with only nine minutes left, only to fall victim to a sweeping Liverpool counter attack and Mohamed Salah’s equaliser.

    There was plenty to admire in Arsenal’s performance, delivered despite the handicap of losing key defenders Gabriel and Jurrien Timber in the second half when holding that slender lead, to go with the absence of suspended William Saliba and injured Riccardo Calafiori.

    These are the mitigating circumstances, but for Arteta and his players in the ruthless business at the top of the Premier League, the league table now bears a worrying look.

    The Gunners’ draw with Liverpool helped only Manchester City, now established in the familiar position as leaders, and with margins for error wafer thin when trying to overhaul Pep Guardiola’s sky blue machine, a five-point gap to the top is already reaching the point where it cannot be allowed to get any wider.

    Phil McNulty's column on Arsenal-Liverpool in full.

  16. 'Hard to look at any weaknesses in this Liverpool side'published at 08:04 Greenwich Mean Time

    Arsenal 2-2 Liverpool

    Nigel Reo-Coker
    Former West Ham midfielder on the Football Daily podcast

    I'm very impressed with Liverpool - they're a professional, well-organised, well-drilled team. Everybody knows their job, everybody knows what is expected of them and everybody is playing for a place. None of the players look like they are comfortable in the team in the sense of, their place is guaranteed week in, week out, and Arne Slot is in charge of that side.

    I feel if they could really get that striker. I've always been quite hard on [Darwin] Nunez but I feel he's not going to be that striker that gets 25 goals a season for Liverpool. If they can really get that goal-scoring striker, it would be hard to not say that they could be the favourites for the Premier League title. That's the one part they are really missing but apart from that it's hard to look at any weaknesses in this Liverpool side.

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    Arne Slot embraces Darwin Nunez following Arsenal 2-2 LiverpoolImage source, Reuters
  17. Were Liverpool lucky with some of Sunday's decisions?published at 07:58 Greenwich Mean Time

    Arsenal 2-2 Liverpool

    MOTD2

    Liverpool captain Virgil van Dijk scored Liverpool's first equaliser, but was the Dutch defender fortunate to still be on the field after clashing with Kai Havertz?

    Later, team-mate Luis Diaz appeared to kick the ball away, and Ibrahima Konate avoided giving away a penalty for his challenge on Havertz.

    Arsenal also thought they had bundled in a late winner. Referee Anthony Taylor had blown his whistle long before the ball crossed the line but should he have even blown for a free-kick in the first place?

    You can see those incidents below and hear the thoughts of Micah Richards and Stephen Warnock on Match of the Day 2.

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    Were Liverpool lucky? - MOTD 2 pundits look at contentious calls

  18. Injuries 'a big worry' for Gunnerspublished at 07:52 Greenwich Mean Time

    Arsenal 2-2 Liverpool

    Nigel Reo-Coker
    Former West Ham midfielder on the Football Daily podcast

    That was a massive point gained for Arsenal. From Liverpool's perspective, you'd probably look at that as a missed opportunity because even with Gabriel on, that was a makeshift back four that you would have thought Liverpool should have taken full advantage of.

    My big worry now is how Arsenal move forward with the injuries they have got. It will be a real test for Mikel Arteta now in what he has set at Arsenal and the character of these players. It's going to be a real test on the squad that Arsenal have moving forward and I think that can be a big worry.

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  19. Reds boss Slot will remain level-headedpublished at 07:49 Greenwich Mean Time

    Arsenal 2-2 Liverpool

    Phil McNulty
    BBC Sport chief football writer at Emirates Stadium

    Manager Arne Slot signals to his Liverpool players during their draw at ArsenalImage source, EPA

    Liverpool manager Arne Slot's composed and measured approach is reflected in the adjustments he has made to the team bequeathed to him by predecessor Jurgen Klopp.

    He has not been carried away as Liverpool made their way to the top of the table, and Slot will not be too low now after a laboured performance as his team failed to cash in on Arsenal's defensive crisis in the closing stages.

    The force appeared to be with Liverpool as Arsenal lost key players but, while they had plenty of possession, Slot's team did not apply the sustained pressure that might have brought them a greater reward than Mohamed Salah’s goal gave them.

    Liverpool were fortunate to be only one goal adrift after a poor first-half display when they were outmanoeuvred in midfield and troubled in defence – but when there is Salah there is always hope, even on a relatively quiet day for the Egyptian.

    Slot's team are now in the position familiar to so many others, behind Manchester City, but to be sitting in second place and only a point behind the reigning champions still represents a fine start to the Dutch manager's time at Anfield.

  20. Gunners frustrated despite digging deeppublished at 07:43 Greenwich Mean Time

    Arsenal 2-2 Liverpool

    Jurrien Timber stands over Arsenal team-mate Gabriel as he waits to receive treatmentImage source, Reuters

    Now then, back to Sunday's big game in the Premier League... Arsenal were facing a vastly improved Liverpool in the second half at Emirates Stadium while hampered by a depleted defence, yet the home team will be frustrated they were unable to close out what would have been a big win.

    The Gunners could hardly afford another loss after slipping up at Bournemouth, such are the title race's fine margins, and fully deserved their half-time lead after an excellent first 45 minutes.

    The returning Bukayo Saka gave Andy Robertson a torrid time, especially when scoring the first goal, and it was no more than Arsenal merited when Merino dived forward on to Declan Rice's teasing set-piece delivery to restore their lead after Virgil van Dijk's equaliser.

    Arsenal manager Mikel Arteta was forced into changes with the departure of Gabriel, who was holding an ice pack to his thigh on the bench, and Jurrien Timber, who had only just returned from injury. The pressure on their backline was consequently mounting before Liverpool broke away for Salah to score.

    Arsenal will be disappointed with only a point at home, but the questions that arose about this side's character after the defeat at Bournemouth were answered again here as they showed real spirit and resilience when Liverpool scented victory in the closing minutes.

    The worry for Arteta now is that he may face the loss of both Gabriel and Timber for upcoming games and he will be desperately hoping they both only have minor problems.