Summary

  • Sarina Wiegman and Georgia Stanway preview England's friendly against South Africa on Tuesday

  • Phil McNulty Q&A - send in your questions for our chief football writer to answer

  • Premier League reaction as Arsenal draw with Liverpool

  • Man Utd lose again to pile more pressure on manager Erik ten Hag

  • Wins for Crystal Palace v Spurs & Chelsea v Newcastle, plus rest of weekend talking points

  • Get Involved: #bbcfootball, via WhatsApp on 03301231826 or text 81111 (UK only, standard message rates apply)

  1. Man Utd league position means 'trouble' for Ten Hag - Nevillepublished at 09:47 Greenwich Mean Time

    West Ham 2-1 Man Utd

    Gary Neville on Sky Sports:, external "[Erik] ten Hag is asking for trouble. He is 14th in the league, nine games in. I know it is the start of the season but that's 25% of the season gone.

    "It will be a big worry for everybody in the club and the fans that are watching because they should have been up today. I thought West Ham were really poor but United should have been 2-0 up but they lost again. They are 14th in the league and they have spent a fortune."

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    Phil McNulty Q&A: 'It was never a penalty'published at 09:37 Greenwich Mean Time

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    Mike, Stockport: Hi Phil, after the shocking penalty decision at the London Stadium, I fully expect the PGMOL to send an apology to Manchester United. This will be the second apology to United for bad decisions already and we are only in October. Is VAR in crisis?

    Phil: Morning, Mike. I was at Arsenal yesterday so needed to look at Match Of The Day 2 for this one – and totally agree with the pretty much unanimous view that this was an horrendous decision.

    It was never a penalty and referee David Coote was right not to give it. Why Michael Oliver, as the video assistant referee (VAR), felt the need to get involved is beyond me. It was a serious injustice for Matthijs de Ligt and Manchester United.

    This was the opposite of what VAR was brought in for and was meant to achieve.

    This was the guidance outlined to referees before the start of the season: "The referee's call should stand unless the VAR, based on readily available evidence, can see without doubt the on-pitch official has made a clear mistake. In the absence of that clear evidence, the referee’s call will stand."

    Referee David Coote speaks to West Ham and Manchester United players as they wait for a penalty decisionImage source, Reuters
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    Get Involved - Phil McNulty Q&Apublished at 09:35 Greenwich Mean Time

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    Now then, the BBC's chief football writer Phil McNulty has joined us and is ready to answer your questions.

    We'll bring his answers to you over the next hour or so, along with more reaction to Sunday's games, but in the meantime you're more than welcome to keep the questions coming.

    Send them via the usual channels listed above and please remember to add your name folks.

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    Get Involved - Was it a penalty for West Ham?published at 09:31 Greenwich Mean Time

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    Kyle: I hate the lack of consistency in the Premier league. It's an absolute joke. That was never a penalty in a million years for West Ham and how one of the most experienced officials in the VAR booth could send him over is an absolute disgrace.

  5. Hammers boss Lopetegui claims he 'didn't see' penalty incidentpublished at 09:28 Greenwich Mean Time

    West Ham 2-1 Man Utd

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    Asked about the penalty decision, West Ham boss Julen Lopetegui said: "I didn't see it. The players say it's a penalty and the referee says it is a penalty, so I am sure they are right.

    "I prefer to highlight that, after they scored, we kept the energy and positive momentum to win the match. I prefer to keep that energy."

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    Substitute Summerville 'key' to West Ham victory - Lopetegui

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    Get Involved - Was it a penalty for West Ham?published at 09:24 Greenwich Mean Time

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    Was it a penalty? Absolutely not. But we will take it, as these decisions usually go against us when playing Man U.

    Gianni, London

  7. 'No-one likes to upset their superiors' - Neville on penalty decisionpublished at 09:21 Greenwich Mean Time

    West Ham 2-1 Man Utd

    Speaking on his Gary Neville podcast, external about West Ham's penalty, the former Manchester United defender said: "It's not right that one. Every team gets a bad decision but that wasn't right.

    "The interesting thing was he must have watched it eight times when he went to the monitor. I'm screaming at the TV 'he doesn't think it's a penalty' but then he overturns his original decision.

    "I think the pressure maybe of being sent over to the screen by Michael Oliver, a dominant referee, no-one likes to upset their superiors.

    "I'm not sure David Coote was anywhere near thinking it was a penalty, and it was a big shock."

    Manchester United players protest to referee David Coote during their defeat at West HamImage source, Reuters
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    Get Involved - Was it a penalty for West Ham?published at 09:17 Greenwich Mean Time

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    Awarding West Ham that penalty is a solid step in the direction of making football a non-contact sport. Utterly ridiculous decision.

    Aly

  9. 'I think time has run out for Ten Hag'published at 09:15 Greenwich Mean Time

    West Ham 2-1 Man Utd

    Nigel Reo-Coker
    Former West Ham midfielder on the Football Daily podcast

    I think time has run out [for Erik ten Hag]. I think right now they are just waiting to see what the best option is and what the best next move is for Manchester United.

    One of the things you have to think about is, are you going to get a manager just to fill in the gap again or are you now going to find the right manager for the real long-term plan and development, and trying to compete to where you want to be and where the club should be competing, so that's the big decision.

    I think for me, the Erik ten Hag era is pretty much over. I think now the big decision that has to be made is, who's next and who's going to fit what the goal and the dream and ambition of this club is.

    Manager Erik ten Hag and Matthijs de Ligt applaud the Manchester United fans after their defeat at West HamImage source, Reuters
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    Get Involved - Was it a penalty for West Ham?published at 09:09 Greenwich Mean Time

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    Anon: 09:02 @Martin - That’s exactly why we don’t see any improvement with VAR. As fans we should be asking for better but as usual, petty bias gets in the way of progress!

  11. 'I can understand Man Utd's frustrations but they have to look at themselves'published at 09:07 Greenwich Mean Time

    West Ham 2-1 Man Utd

    John Murray
    BBC Radio 5 Live chief football correspondent

    It is a surprise [that the referee was sent to the monitor]. I thought we were going the other way. I thought there was that non-interventionist style of VAR. More like what we are used to seeing in the Champions League with the officials there. Unless they absolutely have to [interfere], they leave it to the referee's on-field decision.

    So it was a surprise to me that Michael Oliver, one of the best referees in Europe, decided to call David Coote to have another look at that. Of course, as soon as that happens, you know what the result is going to be.

    I can understand Manchester United and Erik ten Hag's frustrations, certainly with that, but again they have to look at themselves. They weren't able to take the chances and that's a recurring problem for Manchester United.

    Diogo Dalot looking frustrated after missing a chance for Manchester United at West HamImage source, Reuters
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    Get Involved - Was it a penalty for West Ham?published at 09:02 Greenwich Mean Time

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    Two things are true: (1) the decision to give West Ham a penalty was absolutely awful and needless re-refereeing by Michael Oliver, and (2) it was funny because it happened to Manchester United.

    Martin

  13. 'This is definitely not a clear and obvious mistake by the referee'published at 09:00 Greenwich Mean Time

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    Here's what Manchester United manager Erik ten Hag had to say after Sunday's game: "We know, we have to score. We created so many chances, at half-time we should have been 2-0 or 3-0 up.

    "But it feels very unfair, an injustice, the way we concede the penalty. There was an incident but it was so difficult to see, and before the season we had the instruction that only with a clear and obvious mistake then the VAR has to interfere. This is definitely not a clear and obvious mistake by the referee on the field."

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    'This is not right' - Ten Hag upset with West Ham penalty decision

  14. 'It's stone cold, 100% not a penalty'published at 08:55 Greenwich Mean Time

    West Ham 2-1 Man Utd

    Nigel Reo-Coker
    Former West Ham midfielder on the Football Daily podcast

    It's not often I agree with Erik ten Hag but this is one of the few times I will - it wasn't a penalty.

    It's one of those where you want your defender to put a presence and a body there. There is a lot going on in such a short moment of time. It's more of a coming together and it's not really a penalty in my opinion - stone cold, 100% not a penalty.

    I do feel for Manchester United, it was harshly done. It wasn't a terrific or great performance from United anyway, but in that big moment there, it wasn't a penalty.

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    Erik ten Hag jesticulates to the fourth official during Manchester United's defeat at West HamImage source, Reuters
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    Get Involved - Was it a penalty for West Ham?published at 08:51 Greenwich Mean Time

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    What are your thoughts?

    Should Michael Oliver have intervened? Did the officials follow their own guidance on potentially overturning the 'referee's call'?

    Plenty of you have already let us know your views but please keep them coming.

    Matthijs de Ligt collides with Danny Ings during West Ham's win over Manchester United, which was awarded as a penaltyImage source, PA Media
  16. 'It's not a penalty, I feel sorry for De Ligt'published at 08:47 Greenwich Mean Time

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    You can view the penalty incident below and hear the thoughts of Micah Richards and Stephen Warnock on Match of the Day 2.

    Richards says: "It's not a penalty. I feel sorry for [Matthijs] De Ligt, [Danny] Ings has sort of jumped into him."

    Warnock adds: "It looks clumsy for De Ligt but it's that close, the proximity, what's he meant to do? It's a coming together, it's not a penalty. This is one that VAR has got wrong. I just don't think there was any need to step in on that decision."

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    'VAR have got it wrong' - MOTD2 pundits on West Ham penalty award

  17. Referee's call overturned in Man Utd defeatpublished at 08:40 Greenwich Mean Time

    West Ham 2-1 Man Utd

    Simon Stone
    BBC Sport's chief football news reporter

    There is loads to unpick about Manchester United's defeat at London Stadium, not least the reality that if Erik ten Hag's team had taken all the chances they created in the first half, what happened at the end would not have mattered.

    But it is clear Ten Hag will focus on the moment that cost his team a point.

    The Professional Game Match Officials Limited (PGMOL) has not changed its guidance to VAR officials since the start of the season, when the Premier League’s chief football officer Tony Scholes underlined the view around 'Referee's Call'.

    The guidance is: "'Referee’s Call' really is just an introduction of a terminology to make it clear that the initial decision by the on-pitch official is critical. It's similar to what exists in other sports like cricket and 'Umpire’s Call'.

    "The referee’s call should stand unless the VAR, based on readily available evidence, can see without doubt the on-pitch official has made a clear mistake. In the absence of that clear evidence, the referee’s call will stand."

  18. Why was West Ham's penalty awarded?published at 08:33 Greenwich Mean Time

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    West Ham's winner against Manchester United was a penalty scored by Jarrod Bowen. Referee David Coote allowed play to continue after Matthijs de Ligt collided with Danny Ings in the visitors' penalty area.

    Michael Oliver, the video assistant referee, then advised Coote to look at the pitchside monitor and after reviewing the incident numerous times, Coote overturned his on-field decision.

    The Premier League later explained on its Match Centre account on X, external that there was "sufficient contact" to award the penalty.

    "The referee did not award a penalty to West Ham for a challenge by de Ligt on Ings," it said.

    "The VAR deemed there was sufficient contact on Ings' lower leg and recommended an on-field review. The referee overturned his original decision and awarded a penalty."

    Matthijs de Ligt collides with Danny Ings during West Ham's win over Manchester United, which was awarded as a penaltyImage source, PA Media
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    Get Involved - Phil McNulty Q&Apublished at 08:25 Greenwich Mean Time

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    There have been a lot of controversial decisions and dramatic results over the weekend - we'll be moving on to Sunday's controversy at London Stadium next.

    The BBC's chief football writer Phil McNulty will be joining us shortly to tackle those burning football issues so please use the information above to send in your questions.

    Phil will get to them from 09:30 GMT, and please remember to leave your name with your message.

  20. Can Arsenal & Liverpool unseat Man City?published at 08:21 Greenwich Mean Time

    John Murray
    BBC Radio 5 Live chief football correspondent

    The question is - after that, are we any wiser about Arsenal and Liverpool’s hopes of unseating the champions Manchester City?

    What we do know is that even without Rodri long term, and without Kevin de Bruyne at the moment, and without Kyle Walker, Jeremy Doku and Jack Grealish on Saturday, Manchester City are the Premier League’s only remaining unbeaten team this season and lie one point ahead of Liverpool and five ahead of Arsenal with almost a quarter of the league season played.

    We felt we would know more about Liverpool’s credentials after Sunday, but I’m not sure we do. However, the feeling was that after the last international window we would find out more what Arne Slot’s team are made of and they’ve come through a testing run of Chelsea at home, Leipzig away and Arsenal away with two wins and a draw.

    For them though, those tests keep coming match after match with two games against Brighton, then Bayer Leverkusen and Aston Villa, plus Real Madrid and Manchester City not long after that.

    For Arsenal, yes they have been severely hit with absentees in defence and on Sunday they ended up with a back four of Thomas Partey, Ben White, Jakub Kiwior and Myles Lewis-Skelly. None of them are first-choice in those positions, and it was then Liverpool found a way through to make it 2-2.

    There will be an anxious wait now for Mikel Arteta to find the extent of the knee or ankle problem that meant Gabriel could not run and forced him off. What is sure is that Arsenal will have to make do and mend, and with tricky away matches coming at Newcastle and Chelsea, they cannot afford to slip much further behind.