Brentford analysis: Bees work hard but don't do enough to winpublished at 19:17 GMT 22 November
19:17 GMT 22 November
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Brentford fought hard and looked good value for the three points, but that late penalty save condemned Keith Andrews' side to a fifth defeat in six away league games this season.
That was not the only curse to continue - the Bees are winless in all five of their Premier League games at Brighton (drawn two and lost three), with their last victory there coming in the Championship in September 2016.
Despite the disappointment of losing from a winning position, there were positives for Andrews to take.
Thiago continued his impressive goalscoring form - his nine strikes this term bettered only by Erling Haaland's 14.
Jordan Henderson continued to justify his return to English football with another assured performance in midfield, while Ouattara posed a threat on the break.
But once Brentford's defence was breached, it became clear they had not done enough to secure victory. They registered four shots on target, but two of those were from the penalty spot.
Incidentally, 22% of Brentford's league goals this season have been scored from penalties (four of 18), the second-highest share by a team in a Premier League campaign after Crystal Palace in 2004-05 (27%, 11 of 41).
Thiago has been the story of Brentford's season after missing most of the last through injury, but on this occasion he could not provide the finishing touch when his side really needed it.
Brighton 2-1 Brentford: What Andrews said published at 18:39 GMT 22 November
18:39 GMT 22 November
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'It was a good step for us' but 'the game can bite you' - Andrews
Brentford boss Keith Andrews speaking to BBC Match of the Day: "There are elements where I wasn't entirely happy with bits with the ball, and we gave it back too easily. Defensively, we were pretty solid and restricted them to very little, and then the game changed on that equaliser. If we walked away with a 2-2 [scoreline] we would have thought it was a solid away performance. We dust ourselves down and we go again next week, but unfortunately, the game can bite you."
On Igor Thiago's penalty miss: "It's football. It's football in this day and age as well, where, from the time it's given until the time it's taken, it's ridiculous how long they have to wait.
"The difference now compared to when penalties were given back in the day. I think it's a different challenge for players in how they deal with that and all the commotion that goes with it, and all the furore and the checks and the behaviour of the goalkeeper who subsequently gets booked, it's a difficult challenge.
"He had already taken one, so there is a bit of mind games with the keeper. Thiago has been immense for us this season. He has to wait quite a long time. It's the game now, unfortunately Thiago couldn't tuck it away."
On the poor away form: "It's just niggling a bit. We are maturing as a group all the time. I want us to set the bar very high in terms of what we want to achieve and how demanding we are of each other. We will dust ourselves down and get ready for Burnley."
Did you know?
22% of Brentford's league goals this season have been scored from penalties (4/18); the second highest share by a team in a Premier League campaign, after Crystal Palace in 2004-05 (27% - 11/41).
Igor Thiago has now scored nine goals in 12 league appearances this season; the most by a Brentford player through the opening 12 matches of a Premier League season.
Brighton v Brentford: Team newspublished at 14:05 GMT 22 November
14:05 GMT 22 November
Fabia Hurzeler makes one change to the Brighton side that drew 0-0 with Crystal Palace before the international break, with Olivier Boscagli preferred in central defence to Lewis Dunk.
Kaoru Mitoma remains out with an ankle issue, while top scorer Danny Welbeck leads the line.
You can also listen to today's 5 Live Premier League commentaries on most smart speakers. Just say "ask BBC Sounds to play Liverpool v Nottingham Forest" or "ask BBC Sounds to play Newcastle v Man City", for instance.
Sutton's predictions: Brighton v Brentfordpublished at 11:10 GMT 22 November
11:10 GMT 22 November
Brentford were seen as one of the favourites for relegation before the season started, but they have surprised a few people under Keith Andrews and are in good form with three wins in their past four games.
My son told me to get Bees striker Igor Thiago in my fantasy football team a few weeks back and, guess what, I didn't listen.
Thiago will probably score again on Saturday but I am still not going to pick him or back Brentford at Amex Stadium.
They have not had much success on the road this season, and Brighton are always decent at home. Brentford will try to hit them on the counter-attack but I think Fabian Hurzeler's side carry much more of a threat.
Brighton v Brentford: Key stats and talking pointspublished at 19:10 GMT 21 November
19:10 GMT 21 November
Tom McCoy BBC Sport journalist
Brighton boss Fabian Hurzeler celebrates an early career milestone against a Brentford side gaining momentum under Keith Andrews. BBC Sport examines some of the key themes before Saturday's match.
The Seagulls sit 11th in the table but have lost only one of their past seven league matches and shown signs of tightening up defensively, giving them the chance to record three consecutive clean sheets for the first time in the top flight since August 2022.
In their last game, a goalless draw at Crystal Palace, head coach Fabian Hurzeler named an unchanged starting line-up for the first time in the Premier League, saying he wanted "consistency".
However, the German indicated that rotation will remain part of his approach, explaining: "After the international break, the crunch time is starting and we need all of the players."
Hurzeler, 32, will take charge of his 50th Premier League match this weekend, becoming the youngest manager to reach the milestone.
He will be only the third boss to reach his half-century before turning 35, following Chris Coleman with Fulham in 2004 and the late Gianluca Vialli for Chelsea in 1999.
Thiago's goals key for improving Bees
Brentford have won four of their past six league games, including three of the previous four, taking them six points clear of the relegation zone.
However, that improvement has largely been built on home form, with 13 of their 16 points won at Gtech Community Stadium.
Their only points on the road so far came in last month's 2-0 win at West Ham.
The departures of Bryan Mbeumo and Yoanne Wissa - last season's joint top scorers - raised doubts about the Bees' attacking threat, but Igor Thiago's emergence is dispelling those concerns.
Injury ruined the Brazilian's first season in England following a £30m move from Club Brugge, but the 24-year-old is proving his worth in the current campaign.
His tally of eight Premier League goals is second only to Erling Haaland this term, while his shot-conversion rate of 32% is also among the best figures in the league.
Financial Fair Play rules in Premier League to change next seasonpublished at 18:10 GMT 21 November
18:10 GMT 21 November
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The Premier League will from next season move to a new system of Financial Fair Play (FFP) based on squad costs.
The clubs met in London on Friday to vote on three possible methods of replacing Profit and Sustainability Rules (PSR).
Squad Cost Ratio (SCR) got 14 votes in favour and six against, which is the minimum number that is required to exact a rule change.
Overall squad costs from next season will have to be limited to 85% of a club's revenue, although teams competing in Europe will have to adhere to Uefa's maximum of 70%.
Squad costs comprise player and manager wages, transfer fees and agents' fees.
Rules around sustainability, which set out a club's financial spending plans over the medium and long term, were passed unanimously.
Andrews on Carvalho ACL injury, Janelt contract and players' mood after breakpublished at 10:37 GMT 21 November
10:37 GMT 21 November
Saffie Yates BBC Sport journalist
Brentford boss Keith Andrews has been speaking to the media before Saturday's Premier League game against Brighton at Amex Stadium (kick-off 15:00 GMT).
Here are the key lines from his news conference:
Andrews confirmed Fabio Carvalho will miss the rest of the season after sustaining an anterior cruciate ligament injury in training: "It's been a tough week. He's someone I have a lot of respect for as a man. I have felt for him this season - he hasn't got as many opportunities as I would ideally have liked to have given him. We will support him really well, as we always do."
He is keen to keep Vitaly Janelt, whose contract is set to expire in the summer: "I've had discussions with Vitaly. Vitaly is pretty clear on my thoughts that I would like him to stay. I like what he is about as a player and a person. He's been a real glue around the football club. He knows the landscape of this club really well and has achieved a lot. This football club has been good for him as well"
On Kristoffer Ajer exit rumours: "He's been a very prevalent part of our team. He picked up a knock a couple of days before the Newcastle game. Before that, he played pretty well and consistently. So I'm not really interested in that."
He wants Brentford to play in a way that engages supporters: "I want to enjoy watching my team. I want to set up the team ultimately to get results first and foremost, but equally I want the fans to be engaged. I've enjoyed watching us for the vast majority of this season."
On players returning from international break: "They are in a good place. The nature of the game is that you win some games and lose some games. Scotland v Denmark epitomises that, with two of our key players directly involved. The contrast of emotions is so different. It was nice to get them all back in the building together yesterday."
On Igor Thiago's national team ambitions: "He's clearly very ambitious and very patriotic, and would love to don the Brazil jersey. It's a huge ambition of his, and we'll help and support him as much as we can to hopefully achieve that."
He is "delighted" at his players' success for the Republic of Ireland national team: "I'm delighted, first and foremost, to see the team get through a tricky window, and at the manner of the results. I nearly pulled my hamstring jumping off the sofa when Troy [Parrott] scored that goal. It was great for Caoimhin [Kelleher] and Nathan [Collins]."
A pivotal moment for the Premier Leaguepublished at 17:11 GMT 20 November
17:11 GMT 20 November
Pat Nevin Former footballer and presenter
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One of potentially the biggest moments in English football is coming on Friday, but precious few people understand how important it could be or even know about it.
The Premier League is considering 'anchoring' wages, which would cap the amount any club could spend on their squad at five times the smallest central Premier League broadcasting and prize money payout.
It is a complex argument. The league and some clubs are considering it because they want to ensure wage inflation does not continue to rise endangering their long-term financial security. From the other side - the players and their union, the PFA - this unnaturally limits the amount they can earn in what has until now been a free and open market.
Any changes to that position foisted upon the players without their prior consultation and agreement will not go down well. Remember, the players are the people that the paying public, the TV companies and the advertisers want to see, not a bunch of chairmen, executives and directors arguing over accounts, dividends and profit margins.
The game has increased the number of games played per season without consulting those who are physically doing it. No studies on how that will affect their health in the short and long term were considered, and so the PFA in England looks like it is finally ready to take a strong stand for its members.
Strike ballots are not unknown, I should know, as chairman of the PFA my name was on the bottom of every ballot paper when we last considered strike action over changes in working conditions. The modern owners may have forgotten, but we had 99% backing from our members.
Owners may think of footballers as ultra wealthy, mercenary, thickos who can easily be controlled - well they thought that last time and they lost.
It is time for serious and meaningful negotiation between equals and not a master and serf attitude from one side towards the other.
Gossip: Bees keen on Lecce's Gabrielpublished at 07:34 GMT 20 November
07:34 GMT 20 November
Juventus have held initial talks for Lecce defender Tiago Gabriel, 20, with Brentford also keen on the Portugal Under-21 international. (Tuttosport - in Italian), external
Who is flying? And what do you want more of?published at 08:53 GMT 19 November
08:53 GMT 19 November
Ian Westbrook Fan writer
Who is flying this season?: Michael Kayode. While he is getting publicity for his long throws, there is so much more to his game - the marauding runs across the pitch, the brilliantly timed tackles and his boundless energy.
And is anyone floundering? By contrast, Fabio Carvalho is floundering. Now in his second season, he cannot pin down a place in the team - despite impressing in our Carabao Cup ties. To be fair, his best position is as at number 10 and he has the undroppable Mikkel Damsgaard ahead of him, but he is not even first choice to come on as a substitute.
Tactically we are... relying more on long balls and less on playing out from the back than in the past - but especially with pinpoint deliveries from Jordan Henderson, this has led to several goals this season.
I want Keith Andrews to give me more... intensity from the side in away games. If we can match our home performances, then we should win more on the road.
What are fans obsessing about? Had we struggled so far, our supporters could well have been obsessed with the loss of Thomas Frank and key players. But the mood among us at home and away is very supportive and currently fans and team and management seem very together.
My expectations for the season were for us to overcome the summer turmoil and survive - albeit with some sticky moments. I still expect us to stay up, although maybe I now feel we could finish closer to halfway and also have a good FA Cup run to match our Carabao Cup one.
How would I rate the campaign so far? Being mid-table and in a cup quarter-final means it's definitely a solid seven out of 10 season so far.
I'm feeling... relaxed about the campaign and optimistic for some more stirring performances - especially against the big boys!
Brentford's best Premier League XI?published at 12:32 GMT 18 November
12:32 GMT 18 November
Over the past week, we have been asking you to send in the best Premier League XI your club could have put together.
We know football existed before 1992 but as a Leeds United fan asked our experts on the club to name theirs - using the Ask Me Anything form on the Whites - we stuck with their parameters.
Here's BBC Sport's Brentford fan writer Ian's effort.
'Know how to use the noise and scrutiny'published at 12:56 GMT 17 November
12:56 GMT 17 November
Nicola Pearson BBC Sport journalist
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The statistics might say playing at home is an advantage - but what happens when it is not?
So far this season, 53% of Premier League matches have been won by the home team - the highest ever rate in a single campaign.
On the flip side, just 26% have been won by the away team - the lowest rate since 2010-11.
However, this has not been the case for all teams.
For some, being on the road has been more favourable. Tottenham are perhaps the most contrasting example having the joint-most points away from home with 13, but the second-worst in front of their own fans with just five points.
In the second part of her chat with BBC Sport, performance psychologist Marie Cartwright explained: "With crowds when playing away from home, there is a reduced scrutiny as a whole for away teams in that those crowds expect the home team to be the ones in charge. The players feel less judged. The pressure is on the other side.
"Another reason could come down to something in psychology I like to call simplification of the task. The team has a better collective identity when they are away.
"The human brain still goes back to the cavemen days. We have to, as a collective, fight for something. We have to protect our name. It goes back to that hunter-gatherer-against-danger mentality.
"When players are in front of a home crowd, there can be a bit of playing up to the individuality.
"I really do believe that collective identity has a strong enough influence because it amplifies the purpose and the belonging - let's belong together, let's be stronger together."
The focus might be on the players' performances being impacted by being home or away, but what about the managers?
Wolves, West Ham and Nottingham Forest make up three of the bottom four for their home records so far this term, and all have changed their manager in recent weeks.
"100% managers and coaches can be affected, and sometimes even more so because there is so much riding on that one person," Cartwright said.
"The decision-making is the main thing. The crowd is chanting - 'take this player off, do this' - and it can lead to rushed decisions, particularly when the noise becomes relentless.
"Then there is the emotional regulation and touchline behaviour. A manager is pacing up and down, mirroring the stress state, and players see that. It can lead to mimicking and players feeling that stress too."
The impact on teams psychologically playing home or away is apparent, so how can they make the most from these different conditions?
"Our brains are wired to think negatively - it's a protection mechanism," Cartwright said.
"So when it comes to performing home and away, those players and managers who deal with it best are those who know how to use the noise and scrutiny and move on quickly from it - an ability to have a reset routine and regulate their emotions in these pressurised situations."
Stadium or state of mind? Psychologist on home advantagepublished at 15:28 GMT 16 November
15:28 GMT 16 November
Nicola Pearson BBC Sport journalist
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"Home advantage gives you an advantage."
It is a quote - among many - attributed to the famous former England manager Sir Bobby Robson - a simple, yet fair reflection of a historical format of football.
For as long as teams have played in leagues, games taking place home and away has been the norm, with the idea that playing at home will be to the benefit of that team.
But what is the impact of playing at your own ground in front of your own fans?
In the first part of her chat with BBC Sport, performance psychologist Marie Cartwright explained: "Home impact can be viewed in two ways. Sometimes it does have a positive impact, and what happens is there is an elevated motivation.
"What that means is the crowd energy increases adrenaline and that creates a momentum in effort and intensity in the players. It is also a familiar environment for the players, so that means it reduces the cognitive load. They don't have to think as much about anything else other than their play because they know the pitch, they know the routines, they feel settled.
"However, there are a couple of potential negative impacts as well, with the potential intensification in pressure in the home fans, most times, expecting dominance from the home team. That can lead to mistakes from players feeling bigger to them.
"There can then be what we call a threat state. The players might perceive consequences as high, so they feel they might be facing more criticism when they are at home."
While those who watch football know there are more factors than just where the match is being to take into consideration, the statistics do suggest the influence is there.
Since the Premier League started, the home win percentage has outweighed the away win percentage in all bar one season - the Covid-hit 2020-21 campaign in which fans were largely not allowed admission saw a 38% home win rate compared to 40% away win rate.
So how a team handles this additional crowd pressure seems to be a key factor.
"In psychology, there is something called the challenge and threat theory," Cartwright said.
"In reality what that means is a 'challenge state' can push the player into thinking, 'I've got this, I've got the resources to cope with this'. That leads to better decision making and quicker reactions.
"The threat state, on the other hand, players might think the consequences outweigh their ability to cope. In any match context, that can mean they have a narrow sense of focus, the focus is not quite the same, so the play becomes slower because of overthinking."
"It can also be called 'red brain or blue brain' - with red brain being the one with fear-based dialogue and internal negative self-talk, while blue brain is the cool, calm and collected one that can handle its emotions.
"What sits in the middle of these is distraction. How a player responds to distraction and filters out the noise, like the crowd, can impact which of these mindsets they move into and ultimately how the team performs."
Read more from Marie in part two of her chat about why teams some teams play better away from home and how it impacts managers - that will be on this page early next week.
A 'monstrous' selection - your Premier League XIspublished at 09:16 GMT 15 November
09:16 GMT 15 November
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We wanted your suggestions for Brentford's all-time best Premier League XI.
You have provided us with a fine selection so here's some of your picks:
Nick: Raya, Pontus, Collins, Kayode, Hickey, Norgaard, Dasilva, Damsgaard, Benrahma, Mbeumo, Toney. Christian will have a shift to put in as it's very attacking but I think all these players go down as some of our best ever in each position.
*Benrahma featured for West Ham in the Premier League but we'll let you have him Nick given his Brentford exploits.
C: 4-3-3. Raya, Hickey, Van den Berg, Collins, Kayode, Eriksen, Damsgaard, Norgaard, Toney, Mbeumo, Ouattara.
Conor: 4-3-3. Raya- strong and solid keeper. Kayode (monstrous), Collins (luck of the Irish), Van den Berg (solid and good in the air), Henry (fast and skilled), Damsgaard (absolute trickster and brilliant), Henderson (can find anyone with long balls and a leader of men), Yarmoliuk (solid, energetic and intelligent), Mbeumo and Wissa (both stepped up after Ivan Toney had left), Thiago. With a combination of skill and pace as well as a solid defensive mind and a solid goalkeeper, we could compete for Europe with this XI.
Do clubs get compensated for players injured on international duty?published at 09:12 GMT 15 November
09:12 GMT 15 November
George Mills BBC Sport senior journalist
In a recent addition of the Football Extra newsletter, Roger asked BBC Sport: Players are frequently injured on international duty - such as Chris Wood for New Zealand last season, which may have ultimately cost Nottingham Forest a Champions League place. Are clubs compensated by the country or does insurance cover compensation?'
Since 2012, Fifa's Club Protection Programme has covered the salary of players injured on international duty - although there are some conditions.
Firstly, the player must be out of action for a period of at least 28 consecutive days and the injury must have been sustained during an "accident", which is defined in very boring and legally-specific detail in Fifa's guidelines, though it covers most of the examples you could think of.
The scheme pays the salary of an injured player up to the maximum amount of €7.5m (£6.6m) until they are declared fit to return for their clubs.
Transfermarkt lists Chris Wood as missing 18 days - three games - with the hip injury you mention from last March, suffered on international duty with New Zealand. As he returned inside 28 days, Forest would not have been eligible to claim compensation.
There are a couple of clubs who will currently be beneficiaries of this scheme though, including Newcastle United, whose £55m summer signing Yoane Wissa is yet to make an appearance since suffering a knee injury while playing for DR Congo.
Brentford's season so far 'pretty impressive'published at 12:12 GMT 14 November
12:12 GMT 14 November
Phil Parry BBC Radio London reporter
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The summer's significant changes at Brentford led to some suggesting that the coming season would be difficult. After all, the club had to cope with the departure of Thomas Frank, a rookie gaffer and the loss of other members of the backroom team as well as the sale of some big players.
Keith Andrews has told us that the criticism from some was not motivation. He says the club knows how to cope with change and manages it well - his role was to help with the current flux.
It appears that they have coped well. Eleven games in and they have 16 points with five wins. The list of those that they have taken maximum points from is pretty impressive: the reigning champions, the League Cup holders and a European finalist from last season among them.
Those who have filled vacated gaps have performed well. Jordan Henderson has proven to be a positive addition, Caoimhin Kelleher has settled in quickly and Igor Thiago is currently the Premier League's second highest scorer.
All this has helped the side climb to 12th, not bad for a team tipped by some pundits for the drop.
Of course, it is only a start and the away form, one win and four defeats, is still a concern. The style and approach on the pitch is still being debated by many observers and could well be a case of evolution with patience required.
Some observers point to the numbers of goals scored through set-pieces, long throws, counter-attacks or passes played over the top of defences. Mikkel Damsgaard, who picked up the player of the year award last season, seems to be less influential this season and has just one assist through 11 games.
But it would be churlish to suggest it has been anything other than a solid start for the Bees and provided a platform for the season, and for the coaching staff and players to develop.
There will more of that to come I am sure and, after all the churn of the past few months, the first objective was to calm the waters. That has certainly been done.