Summary

  • FT: New Zealand 16-14 England

  • Nightingale (2), Vatuvei for Kiwis

  • Hall (2) and Charnley for England

  • England relying on other results to make final

  1. Postpublished at 06:57 Greenwich Mean Time 8 November 2014

    Jon Wilkin
    Former England international on BBC Two

    "England should not be focussing too much on the Ryan Hall incident from last week but to focus on what they did very well. They threatened Australia but shut up shop and failed to challenge in the second half.

    "In New Zealand, they face the best team in the tournament. They have to play better and near their best. Those bad moments like the World Cup semi-final last year can keep you awake at night."

  2. Postpublished at 06:56 Greenwich Mean Time 8 November 2014

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    Of course, all those permutations could have been - and perhaps should have been - all irrelevant. Because if Ryan Hall's 'try' had been given in the dying moments of the Australia game then England would already be booked into Wellington's finest tailors for suit fittings. Maybe the measuring man might be called into action on Monday.

  3. Postpublished at 06:54 Greenwich Mean Time 8 November 2014

    Robbie Hunter-Paul
    Former New Zealand international on BBC Two

    "I can promise you now New Zealand will not be looking any further back than the first half of England's game against Australia when England punched a lot of holes in the defensive line."

  4. Get involvedpublished at 06:54 Greenwich Mean Time 8 November 2014

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  5. Postpublished at 06:52 Greenwich Mean Time 8 November 2014

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    England full-back Sam Tomkins: "They are talented blokes - I have been asked about certain individuals. Someone like Shaun Johnson, you try to fly out of the line and get a hit on him, boom, he will step you. He is too quick.

    "Our squad is really exciting now - people like Dan Sarginson, who stepped up against the Aussies last week."

  6. Get involvedpublished at 06:51 Greenwich Mean Time 8 November 2014

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  7. Postpublished at 06:51 Greenwich Mean Time 8 November 2014

    England win by 10 points or more: England are through because they would have a better points difference than New Zealand. But New Zealand will also go through if Australia beat Samoa but fail to turn around the 34-point swing currently in the Kiwis' favour, or if Samoa win.

    England win by 10 points or less: New Zealand are through because they have a better points difference than England. But England can also go through if Australia beat Samoa and do not better their points difference (England currently are 16 points better off), or if Samoa win.

    Draw: New Zealand qualify, England eliminated if Australia beat Samoa.

    England lose: All but mathematically out. Slim chance they could still qualify if they lose narrowly to New Zealand and Samoa narrowly beat Australia.

    All clear? Good.

  8. Postpublished at 06:50 Greenwich Mean Time 8 November 2014

    Not only do rugby league coaches know their onions about tactics and selection, they also need to have a mathematical brain. England boss Steve McNamara could have done with Carol Vorderman by his side as he analyses the permutations. Here are the possible outcomes...

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  9. Postpublished at 06:50 Greenwich Mean Time 8 November 2014

    Rugby league is not know for its timekeeping. And it appears we're going to have a slight delay in proceedings. Just enough time for you to snaffle some cornflakes and another strong cup of coffee.

    England RL:, external The boys are out for their warm-up in the magnificent Forsyth Barr Stadium - we get underway 8.10pm (local) 7.10am (GMT).

  10. Postpublished at 06:46 Greenwich Mean Time 8 November 2014

    Brian Noble
    Former Great Britain coach on BBC Two

    "Of course England can win. This stadium is like a greenhouse, it is like a sports hall, everything reverberating. England have got to play well, they have picked a good side and this game is a close one to call. If England can kick a bit better than last week, then I am confident they will come out with a win."

  11. Postpublished at 06:45 Greenwich Mean Time 8 November 2014

    Ian Millward
    Former Super League and Australian NRL coach on BBC Two

    "These are the best two packs of forwards in the tournament but it comes back to their halves and hookers. I believe the Kiwis edge is in hooker Isaac Luke on the bench. I kind of wish that Daryl Clark could play for 80 minutes for England. I can see a try coming from a kick tonight because the ball will have hang time."

  12. Line-upspublished at 06:44 Greenwich Mean Time 8 November 2014

    New Zealand: P Hiku (Manly), J Nightingale (St George Illawarra), S Kenny-Dowall (Sydney Roosters), D Whare (Penrith), M Vatuvei (New Zealand Warriors); K Foran (Manly), S Johnson (New Zealand Warriors); J Bromwich (Melbourne), I Luke (South Sydney), A Blair (Wests Tigers), S Mannering (New Zealand Warriors, capt), K Proctor (Melbourne), J Taumalolo (North Queensland).

    Replacements: T Leuluai (New Zealand Warriors), G Eastwood (Canterbury Bulldogs), M Taupau (Wests Tigers), T Harris (Melbourne).

    England: S Tomkins (New Zealand Warriors), J Charnley (Wigan), K Watkins (Leeds), D Sarginson (Wigan), R Hall (Leeds), G Widdop (St George Illawarra), M Smith (Wigan), G Burgess (South Sydney), D Clark (Castleford), J Graham (Canterbury Bulldogs, capt), L Farrell (Wigan), J Tomkins (Wigan), S O'Loughlin (Wigan).

    Replacements: E Whitehead (Catalan Dragons), B Ferres (Huddersfield), T Burgess (South Sydney), C Hill (Warrington).

  13. Get involvedpublished at 06:44 Greenwich Mean Time 8 November 2014

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  14. Get involvedpublished at 06:44 Greenwich Mean Time 8 November 2014

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  15. Team newspublished at 06:43 Greenwich Mean Time 8 November 2014

    Two familiar faces to the England players have been recalled to the New Zealand team today. Ex-Wigan half-back/hooker Thomas Leuluai and former Leeds second rower Greg Eastwood are back on the bench after missing the narrow win against Samoa.

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    England make one change from the dramatic defeat by Australia, hooker Daryl Clark coming in for Josh Hodgson. The Hull KR man drops out of the squad, with Catalan Dragons second rower Elliot Whitehead stepping up to the bench.

    Captain Sean O'Loughlin and fellow forward Liam Farrell both start after no action was taken over tackles they made against the Kangaroos.

  16. Postpublished at 06:39 Greenwich Mean Time 8 November 2014

    Robbie Hunter-Paul
    Former New Zealand international on BBC Two

    "I am confident in New Zealand on New Zealand soil, it is not in the traditional heartland but in Dunedin, a union type town, but the players will play with a lot of passion. However, I do think there is a lot going in England's favour. The fact they have that they have the disappointment from last week to motivate themselves and last year's World Cup semi-final defeat as well."

  17. Get involvedpublished at 06:38 Greenwich Mean Time 8 November 2014

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  18. Postpublished at 06:38 Greenwich Mean Time 8 November 2014

    Jamie Peacock
    Former England captain on BBC Two

    "I am confident, I feel England can win. They will be very motivated from the World Cup semi-final defeat last year and a sense of injustice from last week when Ryan Hall's try was disallowed. It is defeats like that stays with you forever, but being motivated, that is the key in the elite line of sport."

  19. Postpublished at 06:37 Greenwich Mean Time 8 November 2014

    So this is the third - but, England are hoping, not final - instalment of the Four Nations tournament. The Kiwis are the favourites today, but England, who include 10 of the men who played at Wembley, are hoping to prove the experts - and the bookies - wrong.

    "We certainly feel like we owe them one," says England full-back Sam Tomkins.