Summary

  • Deputy Prime Minister Angela Rayner faces questions about Labour donations on the Sunday with Laura Kuenssberg programme

  • Kuenssberg presses Rayner about her accepting free outfits and about staying in a New York flat owned by a Labour donor, asking in what way that "returns politics into the service of the people"

  • Rayner says she does not believe she broke any rules, that donations are part of politics and that the government is "open and transparent" about the process

  • She is also pressed on a figure for how much social housing Labour will build - Rayner says she will not "put an exact figure" on it as there are so many "moving parts", including brownfield land

  • Shadow Commons leader Chris Philp us also on the show. He says that PM Sir Keir Starmer accepting free clothes for his wife is "weird and inappropriate" and that donation rules "should be looked at"

  • It comes as the first day of the Labour party's annual conference is due to get under way in Liverpool, where we're expecting to hear from the Deputy PM alongside others, including Foreign Secretary David Lammy

  1. Philp pressed on Jenrick's small boats claimpublished at 10:19 British Summer Time

    Shadow Commons leader Chris Philp was asked on the show about a claim from Conservative party leadership candidate Robert Jenrick that "terror suspects" have arrived in the UK on small boats.

    "Do you have evidence to corroborate that claim?," Laura Kuenssberg asks.

    Philp tells the programme he won't comment on security issues.

    He then asks if Jenrick was right to put that information into the public domain.

    "He wasn't wrong," he replies, saying he shares Jenrick's concerns.

    Labour was wrong to cancel the Rwanda scheme, which would have stopped the boats, Philp adds.

  2. Rayner on New York trip: 'I don't believe I broke any rules'published at 10:15 British Summer Time

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    'I don't believe I broke any rules' - Angela Rayner

    Angela Rayner pushed back on queries about accepting accommodation from a wealthy Labour donor during a personal holiday in New York.

    She told Laura Kuenssberg: "I don't believe I broke any rules. I think I was overly transparent".

    You can listen to what she had to say here.

  3. Rules on donations 'should be looked at' - Philppublished at 10:09 British Summer Time

    It is worth reflecting back on Laura Kuenssberg's interview with Chris Philp as she asked him if there should be a change in the rules for declaring donations.

    He believes that personal gifts like luxury clothes and glasses are "downright weird" to accept and that Labour cutting winter fuel payments for pensioners is "terrible".

    Philp told the BBC show that the rules "should be looked at when it comes to those very personal gifts".

    There's "no justification" for accepting luxury clothes for Starmer's wife, he says, or for luxury apartments in Manhattan, in reference to Deputy PM Angela Rayner declaring she accepted accommodation in New York during a personal holiday.

  4. Insiders feel row over Sue Gray pay 'unsustainable'published at 10:06 British Summer Time

    Henry Zeffman
    Chief political correspondent

    It’s not exactly ground-breaking for there to be divisions in Number 10. There have been divisions between senior advisers to numerous prime ministers of all political stripes, often litigated through leaks to the media.

    It does feel unusual, though, for the leaks about Sir Keir Starmer’s Downing Street, particularly his chief of staff Sue Gray, to have reached such a frenzied pitch so early in his tenure.

    Asked whether Gray would still be in post by Christmas, Angela Rayner said she thought so, and that Gray is doing an “exceptional” job - not that she could really have said anything else.

    Rayner then went on to make a point that even some of the many advisers who have frustrations about Gray believe that it is uncomfortable to see her being “demonised” when she does not have the ability to answer back.

    In an interview with The Observer today, Starmer said that it was his “job to do something” about the leaks emanating from the heart of his government.

    Those on all side of this argument, and it is unquestionably an argument, agree. The word that has punctuated almost every conversation I have had about the Gray situation is “unsustainable”. Few believe things can continue like this – not even until Christmas.

  5. Labour moving to more apologetic tone on donationspublished at 10:01 British Summer Time

    Henry Zeffman
    Chief political correspondent

    This is the first Labour Party conference in 15 years where politicians are addressing party members as government ministers.

    That is a big deal and will confer a celebratory sparkle on the four-day gathering.

    Which is why it is so uncomfortable for those at the top of the party that the build-up to the conference has been dominated by questions about gifts and about Sue Gray, Sir Keir Starmer’s chief of staff.

    Angela Rayner, out on the government’s behalf this morning, had her own particular questions to answer over donations from Lord Alli.

    Perhaps her most eye-catching defence was that she had been “overly transparent” - essentially that her eagerness to comply with declaration requirements has meant that there are facts in the public domain for her, and her colleagues, to account for.

    But it felt from Rayner’s interview that the government was trying to move to a less defensive and more apologetic posture on this issue. “I get that people are angry and I get that people are upset,” she said.

    Combined with the announcement on Friday that Rayner, Starmer and Rachel Reeves would no longer accept donations for clothes, it is clear the government feels there is political damage to be mopped up here.

  6. Free clothes for PM's wife 'weird and inappropriate' - Chris Philppublished at 09:59 British Summer Time

    Shadow Commons leader Chris Philp was also on this morning's show as a guest and he says the PM has accepted more freebies than any other MP.

    Accepting free clothes for his wife is "weird and inappropriate" he tells the show.

    Kuenssberg says it is "rich" for Philp to lecture Labour on this, especially as he resigned over concerns about his own party's integrity.

    Waheed Ali has been given "enormous influence" for a donor, Philp says.

    "Do you accept you had a part in attacking integrity of politics?" she asks.

    Under Sunak's premiership, he says, the party cleaned up. And all leadership contenders will prioritise integrity, he adds.

  7. Right to buy scheme 'has to go' - housing campaignerpublished at 09:51 British Summer Time

    Kwajo Tweneboa

    Labour's housing targets has also been an issue discussed on this morning's show and Kuennsberg asks activist Kwajo Tweneboa how he feels about Angela Rayner's approach to targets.

    The Right to Buy scheme has to go, he says, calling it "the most damaging policy introduced in respect to social housing".

    There are enough homeless children to fill the 02 Arena more than seven times, he tells the Laura Kuenssberg panel.

    Labour talks about the "biggest injection of council homes in a generation", he says, so the government cannot simultaneously talk about selling social housing.

    On building social housing, Tweneboa says ministers will have to step in.

    "The government talks about fixing the foundation - that starts with social housing ," he says..

  8. 'Tonality' of Labour's economic messages must change - Iceland bosspublished at 09:46 British Summer Time

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    Iceland boss Richard Walker is among the panellists on today's show and he is asked about Labour's economic narrative that things are going to be painful. As a business owner, is that helpful or not?

    The "tonality needs to change", Walker replies.

    This is not going to be a fun budget for anyone, he says, and "those with the broadest shoulders, myself included, should carry the burden".

    But this needs to be done in collaboration with business, he says.

    On housing, he adds, there is a need to "separate out the day-to-day kind of revenue account versus that long term capital investment".

    It's not just about "shiny new hydrogen plants", it's the politics of "ordinary everyday lives", Walker says.

    So what has Chancellor Rachel Reeves said ahead of her first Budget on 30 October?

    She has told the BBC it will involve "difficult decisions" on tax, spending and benefits.

  9. Rayner asked about Al Fayed rape claimspublished at 09:41 British Summer Time

    What else did we hear from Laura Kuenssberg's interview with Angela Rayner this morning?

    The discussion also covered allegations of rape by former Harrods boss Mohamed Al Fayed.

    Rayner says what concerns her is that "powerful people who seem to get away it", listing a range of issues such as employment rights and how the judiciary system works.

    "Nobody is above that law," she says, and references "power imbalances" - citing as examples Westminster and the BBC.

    Some of what people are saying is "horrifying", Rayner says, adding that there had to be measures in place to ensure that women are not put into situations where powerful people cannot be challenged.

  10. 'I will be pushy when I need to be pushy' - Raynerpublished at 09:33 British Summer Time

    Finally, Rayner is asked about her influence and whether she is "prepared to be a pain" and a thorn in Labour's side.

    "Being a pain all the time doesn't always get you what you want to achieve," she replies, adding she believes in the "carrot and stick approach".

    Rayner says it is an honour for her to be deputy PM.

    "I will be pushy when I need to be pushy," Rayner says. "We are a team, our cabinet is a team and I am working with all levers of government."

    Rayner says it is "nonsense" that there are reports she is being "pushed out".

    "I am not being pushed out," she tells the BBC as the interview ends.

  11. Rayner pressed on Labour house-building planspublished at 09:30 British Summer Time

    Next, Rayner is asked about the millions of people waiting for council housing,

    The deputy PM lists off a couple of changes, including increasing the amount of council and social housing, adding that the Right to Buy scheme will be reviewed.

    She is pressed again on an exact figure to how many homes will be built.

    She answers that she will not "put an exact figure" on it as there are so many "moving parts" - including brownfield land.

    Rayner adds that in terms of house building "it has fallen off because mandatory housing targets were removed" by the last Conservative government.

    "These are the biggest set of reforms the system has seen in a very long time," she says, adding that she cannot have developers waiting for years.

    Rayner finishes this section of questioning by saying: "I will be taking blockages out of the system to make it more efficient."

    Back in July, Rayner unveiled an overhaul of England's planning rules to help her party deliver on promises of 1.5m new homes by 2029.

  12. Kuenssberg: 'Will Sue Gray still be in her job by Christmas?'published at 09:28 British Summer Time

    The questioning now turns to Labour's chief of staff Sue Gray's salary, which the BBC this week revealed was £170,000 - higher than the PM's salary.

    Kuenssberg asks: Will Gray still be in her job by Christmas?

    She's doing an "incredible" job and she has a "huge amount of respect in the cabinet", Rayner replies, adding that she is angered that somehow it's OK to "demonise" workers in their workplace.

    You can read more about the row over Sue Gray's pay here.

  13. Lord Alli's Downing Street pass queriedpublished at 09:25 British Summer Time

    Kuenssberg asks Rayner about Lord Alli - a Labour donor - receiving a Downing Street pass, and asks Rayner who signed that off.

    "I don't know about that," Rayner replies, but says it was not due to any donations he had given to her.

    "I did not see him in Parliament and Number 10", she adds.

    For background, a No 10 source confirmed to the BBC that Lord Alli held a garden reception during the brief time he had a pass, but declined to say why he had one, or when or why he gave it up.

    You can read more about the Downing Street pass here.

  14. Donations 'have helped me in the past' - Raynerpublished at 09:23 British Summer Time

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    Rayner is now asked about some of the comments that BBC viewers have shared about Labour MPs receiving "freebies".

    Rayner acknowledges that donors have "helped me in the past".

    She says she has had to accept donations to help run campaigning "as it is a very expensive way of doing politics".

  15. 'Are you sorry?', Rayner is asked about donationspublished at 09:20 British Summer Time

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    There's a big difference between accepting donations for campaigning and accepting accommodation for a holiday and donations for clothes, Kuenssberg says. "Are you sorry you did that?" she asks.

    Rayner says she believes she has been "very transparent".

    "I put the clothing donation out in the public domain", Rayner adds.

    She says she understands people are frustrated, but donations have been a feature of British politics for a very long time.

    "But the transparency is very important," she adds.

  16. Rayner asked to explain New York holiday accommodationpublished at 09:19 British Summer Time

    Rayner is now quizzed about her declaration that she accepted accommodation from a wealthy Labour donor during a personal holiday in New York.

    She says she decided to declare it as she stayed there for a couple of days.

    Rayner says she went "beyond the rules" by declaring it.

    Laura asks why she didn't declare that former Labour MP Sam Tarry stayed there too.

    Did you break the rules?, she is asked.

    "I don't believe I broke any rules. I think I was overly transparent," Rayner replies, adding that it was a personal holiday.

  17. Rayner pressed over accepting free donationspublished at 09:13 British Summer Time

    Laura Kuenssberg begins her interview with Deputy Prime Minister Angela Rayner by pressing her about accepting free outfits, asking in what way that "returns politics into the service of the people".

    Rayner relies that MPs have been accepting donations and gifts for years, and all MPs do it. What's important, she replies, is that the government is "open and transparent" about the process.

    For background, Sir Keir Starmer "corrected the record" and took the advice - something which Rayner says was the right thing to do.

  18. Today's programme gets under waypublished at 09:00 British Summer Time

    kuenssberg and rayner sitting down on set

    Today's Sunday with Laura Kuenssberg programme has just started on BBC One.

    Stay with us as we bring you the key lines from the interviews.

    As a reminder, we're expecting to hear from Deputy Prime Minister and Housing Secretary Angela Rayner, ahead of the Labour Party's annual conference in Liverpool.

  19. Paper review: 'No more austerity' and 'Sir Shameless at it again’published at 08:53 British Summer Time

    Front pages of the observer and the mail

    Images of Sir Keir Starmer feature on several of Sunday morning's front pages as Labour prepares to hold its first party conference in government for 15 years amid reports of infighting at Downing Street and a row over political donations.

    • The Sunday Telegraph has spoken to an unnamed senior Whitehall source who claims the prime minister has four weeks to prove his government is not "fundamentally dysfunctional"
    • The Sunday Express says allies of Sir Keir have urged him to sack his chief-of-staff Sue Gray to end what it calls the "turf war" raging in No 10
    • With the headline "Sir Shameless Is At It Again!", the Mail on Sunday says the PM enjoyed free corporate hospitality at Tottenham's Premier League game last weekend against Arsenal - just hours after allegations emerged about clothes he and his wife had accepted from the Labour donor, Lord Alli

    You can read a full review of Sunday morning’s newspapers here

  20. What can we expect from Labour's annual conference?published at 08:50 British Summer Time

    As we've been reporting, the first day of the Labour party's annual is set to get under way in Liverpool.

    Senior figures will make speeches as government ministers, not opposition politicians, for the first time in 15 years.

    It's due to last for four days.

    After facing questions from Laura Kuenssberg, Angela Rayner is expected to make a speech at the conference - shortly after it opens.

    We're also due to hear from other cabinet members at the conference, including Foreign Secretary David Lammy.

    Last year’s conference was attended by over 17,000 people, including delegates from constituencies, trade union and affiliated groups.

    Keir Starmer is due to give a keynote speech on Tuesday.