Summary

  • At the Labour Party conference in Liverpool, trade unions win a non-binding vote calling on the government to scrap the winter fuel payment cuts

  • The government is cutting the payment, worth £200 to £300 a year, for 10 million pensioners

  • The motion calling on the cuts to be reversed was carried in a show of hands on the final day of the conference

  • It will not change the policy, but will be seen as a blow to the Labour leadership

  • Earlier, Health Secretary Wes Streeting said "the NHS is letting people down"

  • Keir Starmer told the BBC "people need to look for work, but they also need support"

  1. NHS reforms will target the out of work, says Streetingpublished at 10:22 British Summer Time 25 September

    A little bit earlier, Streeting told the Labour Party conference that - as well as reforming the NHS - the government wants to do more to ease some of the pressures on the healthcare system.

    He cites new measures being introduced to improve public health and stop people becoming ill in the first place, including a ban on junk food ads on TV before 21:00.

    He says strikes in recent years have "crippled" the NHS and cost taxpayers billions of pounds.

    "In just three weeks, we negotiated a deal [with junior doctors] to end the strikes," he says.

    He also says teams of top clinicians will be sent to hospitals across the country to oversee reforms, and announces that the first 20 hospitals visited by the teams will be in the areas of the country with the most people off work sick.

    "Our reforms are not only focused on delivering our health mission, but also moving the dial on our growth mission too," he says.

    The speech is getting a strong reception in the hall and has prompted a number of standing ovations from delegates.

  2. Wes Streeting's speech endspublished at 10:17 British Summer Time 25 September

    The health secretary has now finished speaking and left the stage, but we'll continue to bring you key lines and analysis from his speech. Stick with us.

  3. NHS charges 'over my dead body' - health secretary sayspublished at 10:14 British Summer Time 25 September

    Streeting says seven in ten people now expect charges for NHS care to be introduced.

    "Over my dead body. We will always defend our NHS as a public service, free at the point of use.

    "So whenever you fall ill, you never have to worry about the bill," he tells the conference, to huge applause.

  4. Streeting: 'The NHS is letting people down'published at 10:07 British Summer Time 25 September

    Wes StreetingImage source, PA Media

    Streeting opens his speech by thanking the emergency workers who responded to the Southport attack, saying they "represent the very best of the NHS".

    He says he "can't tell you the weight of responsibility I feel to make sure the National Health Service... is there for the next century and beyond".

    "But the truth is conference, right now the NHS is letting people down," he says.

    He talks about a cancer patient, Claire, who used private health insurance for the first time in her life after being diagnosed with cancer, and who believes she would be dead had she had to rely on the NHS.

    "That is the two-tier system of healthcare that Labour will end," he says.

    "And that is why we must reform our NHS."

  5. Wes Streeting addresses Labour conferencepublished at 09:57 British Summer Time 25 September

    Health Minister Wes Streeting is speaking now.

    Watch live at the top of the page, and stay here for lines and analysis.

  6. Health secretary Wes Streeting coming uppublished at 09:54 British Summer Time 25 September

    Health Secretary Wes Streeting is about to speak in Liverpool - watch live at the top of the page, and stay here for lines and analysis.

  7. Campaigners ask Labour to 'save the winter fuel' at party conferencepublished at 09:49 British Summer Time 25 September

    Jennifer McKiernan
    Political reporter, reporting from Liverpool

    Campaigners at the Labour Party conference in Liverpool wear shirts that say: defend the winter fuel payment

    Here at the Labour Party conference in Liverpool, there’s just been a winter fuel protest, with scores of campaigners chanting “save the winter fuel”.

    Unite the Union general secretary Sharon Graham tells the BBC moving the vote to the last day of the conference was “disrespectful”.

    She adds that the payments should be reinstated “or there could be people dying as a result”.

    A non-binding vote is expected later this morning.

  8. Who's speaking at final day of Labour Party conference?published at 09:27 British Summer Time 25 September

    Wes StreetingImage source, EPA
    Image caption,

    Wes Streeting will be speaking in Liverpool at the Labour Party conference at 10:00 BST

    It's time to turn our attention to Liverpool, as the fourth and final day of the Labour Party's annual conference is expected to wrap up by midday.

    Before it closes up though, we'll be hearing speeches from Health Secretary Wes Streeting (10:05 BST) and Education Secretary Bridget Phillipson (10:45 BST).

    Shortly after we'll hear from Work and Pensions Secretary Liz Kendall (10:55 BST).

    A union source says there will also be a (non-binding) vote on the winter fuel payment cut just before lunchtime. That vote had been expected on Monday, with the Unite trade union calling the delay an "outrage".

    We'll be bringing you all the key lines and analysis from Liverpool. Stay with us.

  9. How much money is lost to benefit fraud?published at 09:18 British Summer Time 25 September

    Eleanor Lawrie
    Social Affairs reporter

    The PM has said the country needs to target benefit fraud “much more effectively”.

    Since the pandemic, the amount of money lost on benefit fraud and error in England, Scotland and Wales has doubled, going from £4.6bn in 2020 to almost £10bn in the year to March 2024.

    The rise is partly because the government is spending more on benefits than it was. But the rate of spending on fraud has also increased – from 2.4% to 3.7%.

    The Department of Work and Pensions has suggested the increase is “part of a long-term rising trend in fraudulent behaviour towards organisations and a softening of attitudes regarding fraud in wider society”.

    In April, five members of an organised gang of Bulgarian nationals were convicted of stealing more than £50m through fraudulent universal credit claims over a four and a half year period.

    It’s thought to be the largest case of benefit fraud in England and Wales.

  10. PM warns of all-out war in Middle East and defends donationspublished at 09:12 British Summer Time 25 September

    Keir Starmer speaks with Nick Robinson

    Now that we've heard the prime minister's full interviews with the BBC, here's a quick breakdown of all he had to say:

    • Starmer offered a stark warning to British nationals in Lebanon, saying they should "leave immediately"
    • In a bid to tackle "worklessness", he said benefit claimants should look for work, but also said people need support
    • While defending the winter fuel payment cut, the PM said pensioners will be "better off" under a Labour government
    • All of his donations were transparent and every MP "has to exercise judgement" on accepting donations, Starmer said
    • On prisons, he said they "need to be built" and to do so, sacrifices will be made - such as building them near people's homes
    • He wants to see a "skills strategy" that makes the country "less reliant" on migration. He won't tell businesses they can't use workers they need from abroad straight way, but added that he won't "tolerate" it "year after year"
  11. Starmer defends accepting donor’s giftspublished at 08:44 British Summer Time 25 September

    Poor pensioners are being asked to sacrifice the winter fuel payment and think politicians are getting freebies, Robinson says.

    For context: Robinson is referring to donations given by major Labour peer Lord Waheed Alli to senior party figures, including Starmer and his family.

    • On clothing gifts, the PM says these were offered during a the election campaign so he did not have to worry about it. He says he won’t be making further such declarations
    • On use of Lord Alli’s flat, Starmer says this was to allow his son to revise for his GCSEs without being disturbed by the crowd of journalists outside his home
    • On Arsenal Football Club tickets, he says he previously always bought season tickets for him and his son. Due to security concerns, he can no longer sit in the stands, so the club asked him to be its guest in the director’s box

    Is it time to say politicians should pay for their own stuff, Robinson asks.

    It’s a question of judgement, Starmer replies.

  12. PM pushed again on winter fuel payment cutpublished at 08:43 British Summer Time 25 September

    Robinson presses the prime minister on the winter fuel payment, saying he has talked about a "shared struggle" but seems unwilling to admit that he has "singled out" pensioners to make a sacrifice.

    Starmer says he has had to make "difficult choices" to make up for a £22bn shortfall the government has said exists in the public finances.

    "I've also got to face up to the fact that the NHS is on its knees," he says. "Pensioners rely on the NHS. Taking more money out of the NHS isn't going to help to get it back on its feet."

    He adds that investment is required in other parts of the economy that are important to pensioners, such as buses.

    "I've got to recognize that public services are desperately relied on by pensioners," he says.

  13. Asylum claim backlog in tens of thousands, Starmer sayspublished at 08:39 British Summer Time 25 September

    The PM is challenged again on his plans to bring down immigration.

    Starmer says there is a backlog of tens of thousands of asylum seekers waiting to have their claim processed, while the government was paying for their accommodation.

    He accuses the previous Conservative government of "pretending there's some magical way to wish away that number".

    Starmer says his government will process the backlog and return those who had no right to be in the UK.

    “If you don't process a claim, you can't return someone who shouldn't be here,” he says.

  14. Starmer wants to see country 'less reliant' on migrationpublished at 08:37 British Summer Time 25 September

    After asking Starmer about his position on welfare, Nick Robinson then turns his attention to migration.

    He asks whether the "trade-off" of Starmer's migration policy is that businesses may not be able to fill certain roles if they can't employ people from abroad.

    Starmer says that he's told businesses that he's "not going to chop your legs off by saying you can't have the workers you need now".

    "But I'm not going to tolerate this year after year after year," he adds.

    Starmer says he wants to see a "skills strategy" that makes the country "less reliant" on migration.

    "And I'm actually convinced that if businesses work with local leaders according to a growth plan that we can achieve that."

  15. Starmer challenged over benefits claimspublished at 08:34 British Summer Time 25 September

    Robinson turns to the government’s plans to tackle benefit fraud and bring down welfare bills - a snippet from this interview that we previewed a bit earlier.

    Are you telling those who are out of work that the country has a right to expect that they look for work in order for the to claim benefits?

    Starmer says while those with long-term sickness also need support, and there will be some “hard cases”, the “basic proposition that you should look for work is right”.

  16. Starmer: 'I won't repeat past failures on building'published at 08:32 British Summer Time 25 September

    You talked of policy “trade-offs” in your speech, Robinson says.

    Are you telling people who want to stop prisons or electricity pylons being built near their homes that it’s a sacrifice they have to make, the country needs them?

    A “version” of that, Starmer says.

    "Obviously I understand people will have their reasons to object, and of course, that should be listened to," he says.

    "But what we can't have is what we've had in the last few years.

    "The reason we're in this mess with prisons - and it's a very real mess - is because we now don't have enough prison places for the people who are being sent to prison.

    "That's a basic failure of government, and I'm not prepared to repeat that."

    He adds there has historically been a pattern in which a government pledges to build infrastructure, but then "everybody can say, but not near me".

    "Politics is about being honest with people," he says.

  17. Is the country growing impatient with Starmer?published at 08:30 British Summer Time 25 September

    Starmer called for a new era of calm and patience in his conference speech yesterday.

    Is this because you sense the country is beginning to get “a bit impatient with you and your government”, presenter Nick Robinson now asks the PM.

    No, Starmer replies, saying its instead about the contrast between what he sees as “mission-driven politics” and “the politics of easy answers”.

    He highlights the promises of homes for all military veterans who need them and a Hillsborough Law announced in his speech.

  18. How to watch Starmer's interview with Todaypublished at 08:01 British Summer Time 25 September

    Now that the BBC Breakfast interview with Starmer has ended, we're going to be turning our attention over to our colleagues at Radio 4's Today programme.

    At the helm for that second interview is Nick Robinson, which you can follow from 08:10 BST by pressing the watch live button above.

  19. Former sub-postmistress asks PM when will we receive compensation?published at 08:01 British Summer Time 25 September

    Sally Nugent then asks a question on behalf of former sub-postmistress Jo Hamilton - who was prosecuted for a shortfall of £36,000 at her Post Office in 2006 and was persuaded to plead guilty to a charge of false accounting.

    She asks: "Why does the government continue to spend more money on lawyers fighting post office victims than if they had just settled the claims? And when will compensation be given?"

    "We've made a commitment in relation to compensation, and we're getting on with it," Starmer replies.

    He calls the Post Office Horizon scandal a "huge injustice" which has "got to be put right".

    Starmer then mentions the Hillsborough Law, which he says will help deal with future scandals.

  20. Starmer: 'No more clothing donations now I'm in government'published at 07:54 British Summer Time 25 September

    Asked whether he accepts it was a mistake for him to accept clothes from Labour Party donors, Starmer says that "everything I've done is transparent".

    "You're right to have raised this. In opposition, you're charging around all over the country focused on winning the election," he says.

    He describes how while on the campaign trail "many people" come forward to say they can help you, for things like offsetting the cost of clothing.

    "I think in opposition, that's one thing. In government, it's another," Starmer says, before conceding that "you won't be seeing declarations from me in relation to clothes again".

    He adds that "every MP, Labour or any party, has to exercise judgment" and "declare, in accordance with the rules, anything that they've received".