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Red card chaos & Haaland housery - analysis

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    Phil McNulty Q&A: 'Out of order'published at 11:49 British Summer Time 23 September

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    PT Suffolk: Hi Phil. Letter of the law red card was correct. However you can understand Arsenal’s frustration when Doku in this match and Joao Pedro for Brighton went unpunished. Also how can it be acceptable for Haaland to throw the ball against the back of Gabriel’s head?

    Phil: Hello PT. First of all, it was not acceptable for Haaland to throw the ball against the back of Gabriel’s head. It also came at a moment when emotions were running incredibly high. Out of order.

    As for Trossard’s second yellow, he can have no complaints but I do take the point about inconsistencies in decision making. Joao Pedro got away with it in the same game against Brighton when Declan Rice was sent off, although yesterday Doku’s defence will be that he kicked the ball into an area where referee Michael Oliver was pointing where he wanted a free-kick to be taken. The referee clearly did not regard this as kicking the ball away to delay the restart of the game.

  2. Ter Stegen to undergo surgery on kneepublished at 11:42 British Summer Time 23 September

    Barcelona

    Barcelona goalkeeper Marc-Andre ter Stegen will undergo surgery on Monday after a complete rupture of the patella tendon in his right knee against Villarreal on Saturday.

    The 32-year-old landed awkwardly after catching a Villarreal cross at the end of the first half, he was then replaced by Inaki Pena.

    Marc-Andre ter StegenImage source, Getty Images
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    Phil McNulty Q&A: 'I do think time-wasting should be punished by yellow cards'published at 11:37 British Summer Time 23 September

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    Pat, Liverpool fan: Good morning Phil… Quickfire double question… Firstly, do you think time wasting should be punished by cards or is it one of the arts of football in result based competition? Secondly, after a hiccup against Forest, Liverpool won their games since. Do you think Arne Slot, although it’s early in the season, has it in his locker to win Prem title?

    Phil: Hi, Pat. Yes, I do think time-wasting should be punished by yellow/second yellow cards. As for Arne Slot, one blip apart he has made a very good start. Not sure Liverpool will be champions this season but they certainly have enough quality in their ranks to make a challenge. I’ve tipped them to finish third and will stick by that.

  4. Man City vs Arsenal player ratingspublished at 11:31 British Summer Time 23 September

    Man City 2-2 Arsenal

    In comparison, Arsenal's players had a higher rating across multiple players.

    The BBC Sport readers voted goalkeeper David Raya as the best Arsenal player on the pitch.

    Here's how other highly rated Arsenal players performed:

    Player ratings
  5. Man City vs Arsenal player ratingspublished at 11:25 British Summer Time 23 September

    Man City 2-2 Arsenal

    The player ratings on the BBC report were determined by the readers, who overall voted John Stones the player of the match.

    Defender Stones, who came on in the 78th minute, scored the late equaliser to rescue a point for Manchester City.

    Here are the top Man City players as voted by you:

    Player ratings
  6. City heading for an issue?published at 11:19 British Summer Time 23 September

    Man City 2-2 Arsenal

    Simon Stone
    BBC Sport's chief football news reporter

    We may not know for a few days what the damage of Manchester City's draw with Arsenal is.

    As manager Pep Guardiola pointed out, Rodri is not the type of player to leave a game early, so the fact he did suggests the injury he suffered in the opening stages of the game is serious.

    It is well-established how important he is to this City team, so if the Spain midfielder is ruled out for any length of time, it is bound to have an impact on their chances of extending their run of four successive Premier League titles.

    Mateo Kovacic is an excellent player and the return of Ilkay Gundogan means there are options for the centre of City's midfield.

    But Pep knows - like everyone knows - no-one can replace Rodri. He is possibly the single most important player in the City squad.

    In a season of off-field issues, Guardiola could be about to be presented with a pretty significant one on it.

  7. 'No one more important to City than Rodri'published at 11:11 British Summer Time 23 September

    Man City 2-2 Arsenal

    John Murray
    Commentator on BBC Radio 5 Live

    RodriImage source, Getty Images

    Pep Guardiola says he is waiting for the news from the City doctors on Rodri.

    His key midfielder limped off with what looked like a knee problem in their first half when his team were winning 1-0.

    For all of their talents there's arguably no one more important to City than Rodri. In the opening months of last season they lost all four matches when he was absent, suspended. The last of which was their most recent Premier League defeat at Aston Villa in December.

    With Rodri on the pitch City are now unbeaten in their last 52 league matches. So it will be an anxious wait for further news, as even almost all-conquering City are not quite the same team without him.

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    Phil McNulty Q&A: 'I did think Trossard deserved his second yellow card'published at 11:03 British Summer Time 23 September

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    Jack, London: Hi Phil - with regards to Trossard, I think it's less that Arsenal fans don't think he should have been sent off, more frustration at the rules not being applied consistently. These things supposedly balance out across a season but it does seem remarkable that Arsenal have had two players sent off for delaying the restart after five games (and Saliba booked for it in the Spurs game as well) and the rest of the league has had zero, despite these incidents happening multiple times a game. Is that naivety on Arsenal's part? Thanks.

    Phil: Morning, Jack. First of all, I always dismiss the notion that these things “even themselves out” over the course of a season. A nonsensical theory and one that’s almost impossible to prove.

    I did think Trossard deserved his second yellow card. He was foolish. I also have some sympathy for Arsenal’s questions about consistence having had two players sent off after kicking the ball away.

    Joao Pedro was certainly a case in point when Declan Rice was sent off against Brighton. In the Doku incident, a replay showed that referee Michael Oliver was pointing to where he wanted the ball for a free-kick, which is where Doku kicked it, so that will be the mitigating circumstance there.

    I do certainly have a measure of understanding for Arsenal’s complaints about inconsistency, though..

  9. City wait for Rodri newspublished at 10:58 British Summer Time 23 September

    Man City 2-2 Arsenal

    Charlotte Coates
    BBC Sport

    Pep Guardiola says he does not know the extent of Rodri's injury after the midfielder went off in the 21st minute of Manchester City’s dramatic draw with Arsenal.

    The Spain international went down writhing in pain and clutching his knee one minute before Riccardo Calafiori's stunning strike levelled the match.

    Guardiola had to call upon Mateo Kovacic from the bench after Rodri appeared to twist his knee in a tangle with Arsenal's Thomas Partey at a corner.

    "I don't know yet, I didn't ask the doctors," said Guardiola. "Rodri is strong. He leaves the pitch in this action because he felt something, otherwise Rodri stays there.

    "He's the best holding midfielder in the world, he is a potential Ballon d'Or winner, I would love for him to win.

    "But it happened in the first minutes. These games with Arsenal are like that and we have to handle it. We did it. We did really good things."

  10. 'Without Rodri, City sill have enough.'published at 10:52 British Summer Time 23 September

    Man City 2-2 Arsenal

    Nigel Reo-Coker
    Former West Ham midfielder on the Football Daily podcast

    Without Rodri, Manchester City sill have enough.

    Arsenal struggled to land a glove on City. How intense and focused they look as a team this early on is impressive.

    Normally you see them get better and stronger as the season progresses, especially after Christmas. It will be a big loss, but I still think they have enough players in there to come in and be fine.

  11. 'I don't know how Rodri is'published at 10:45 British Summer Time 23 September

    Man City 2-2 Arsenal

    RodriImage source, Getty Images

    Manchester City manager Pep Guardiola has been speaking to Sky Sports following the game: "I don't know how many Arsenal players went down with cramp, but that can of course happen in a demanding game.

    "We crossed and crossed - and had Ruben [Dias], Manuel [Akanji], Erling [Haaland] - but when you cross they have Declan Rice, William Saliba, Gabriel, Riccardo Calafiori, so it is so difficult. There were ten players there.

    "In the end, we got what we deserved."

    On Arsenal time-wasting: "Maybe I would have done the same, because it is with ten men. You have to ask Mikel [Arteta] what the tactic was.

    "They were good with the long balls into Kai Havertz, who is so strong, and they go for the second balls.

    "In the end, we were patient and had the chances and got the goal. That is all."

    On Rodri's injury: "I don't know how he is. I haven't spoken with the doctors [yet]."

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    Phil McNulty Q&A: 'I do not believe referees are partial to particular clubs'published at 10:37 British Summer Time 23 September

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    Martin: Hi Phil. I thought there were poor decisions made by Michael Oliver yesterday. I am sick of the refereeing standards in the Premier League. Do you think we are just better off abolishing referees from this country in the Premier League and introducing foreign referees? Standards are better and you won't have referees that are partial or anti partial to certain clubs.

    Phil: Morning, Martin. I do not think introducing foreign referees is any sort of answer. What guarantee do you have they will be any better than British referees? I do not believe referees are partial to particular clubs.

    What I do think is that we can employ VAR better in this country, with less interference in the game. I’m also all for the introduction of semi-automated offsides and officials that are actually VAR specialists.

    Foreign referees, though? No, because I have no compelling evidence to suggest they would be any better than those we already have.

  13. When did Arsenal last beat Man City?published at 10:30 British Summer Time 23 September

    Man City 2-2 Arsenal

    Arsenal defeated Manchester City in the Premier League last season. It was last the time the Gunners have beaten City and it came in a 1-0 win in October 2023.

    Gabriel was the goalscorer that day and it was a late winner with it hitting the back of the net in the 86th minute.

  14. 'The second half was extremely tough'published at 10:22 British Summer Time 23 September

    Man City 2-2 Arsenal

    Fresh after scoring in his first Premier League start, Riccardo Calafiori spoke to BBC Match of the Day: "I am so happy to have scored and I am a bit disappointed that we didn't win.

    "It was so tough. We reacted really good and the second half was extremely tough - more mentally than physically."

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    Phil McNulty Q&A: 'The time wasting was too much'published at 10:15 British Summer Time 23 September

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    Rob, Wigan: Hi Phil, with the time wasting from Arsenal resulting in only seven minutes injury time, do you think football should adopt rugby's approach and stop the clock whenever the ball is dead? Would certainly stop teams delaying the game so much and increase entertainment.

    Phil: Morning, Rob. I loved Arsenal’s defensive performance yesterday but agree the time wasting was too much, even if reality dictates that you understand exactly why they did it with ten men against Manchester City.

    I would have no problem whatsoever with using a stop clock – and I must admit I thought it would be more than seven minutes.

  16. 'Equaliser is a big blow'published at 10:09 British Summer Time 23 September

    Man City 2-2 Arsenal

    Arsenal boss Mikel Arteta told BBC Match of the Day after the game: "I am so proud of the team. We played the game in a difficult context, playing against the best team in the world.

    "After what happened when we went 2-1 up, it was a different story. I prefer not to make any comment about that [Leandro Trossard's red card].

    "Obviously, it is already a miracle that we had played 56 minutes at the Etihad with 10 men [without conceding]. It is unbelievable what we have done.

    "It is obvious what happened when they made that decision, but it doesn't deserve my comment. I don't want to ruin anything else off the pitch."

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    'I am proud of the team'- Arteta

  17. 'He was extremely fortunate to stay on the pitch'published at 10:02 British Summer Time 23 September

    Manchester City 2-2 Arsenal

    Leandro Trossard's red card on Sunday did not go down with the Arsenal players and fans.

    It is not the first time a potential red card has been the topic of discussion post the fixture.

    Last year Mateo Kovacic's challenge on Gunners captain Martin Odegaard was deemed not worth of a second yellow card.

    Former referee Howard Webb felt the Croatian - already on a booking - was "extremely fortunate" to stay on the pitch, with Arsenal winning the fixture thanks to a Gabriel Martinelli late winner.

    "Obviously the VAR can't get involved, second yellows are something that the VAR is not able to get involved in," Webb said.

    "But I think he was an extremely fortunate player to stay on the field of play.

    "The referee - one of our best referees, one of the best referees in the world - Michael Oliver, will no doubt review that."

    Are Arsenal hard done by in this fixture?

    Mateo Kovacic and Martin OdegaardImage source, Getty Images
  18. 'I don't think it was an intentional'published at 09:54 British Summer Time 23 September

    Man City 2-2 Arsenal

    Matt Upson
    Former England defender on BBC Radio 5 Live Breakfast

    Leandro TrossardImage source, Getty Images

    Interpretation is difficult at the time and I understand the law. The Declan Rice one, he intentionally tries to delay the restart.

    Trossard wasn’t doing that for me. It was a player that had fouled and then you’re running towards the ball, you've heard the whistle, you're in that zone and he does partially pull out of kicking the ball away. I don't think it was an intentional [action].

    The Doku one I think was a deliberate way of kicking the ball away in the first half, and that went unpunished. From Arsenal's perspective, to have two this season that have then ended up seeing them drop two points in both games, being punished for the same thing [is tough].

  19. Newcastle's cup tie against AFC Wimbledon postponedpublished at 09:49 British Summer Time 23 September

    AFC Wimbledon v Newcastle United

    Newcastle United

    Newcastle United's Carabao Cup third round tie at AFC Wimbledon has been postponed following extensive overnight flooding at the Cherry Red Records Stadium.

    The match was due to take place on Tuesday at 19:45 BST and will now be rescheduled.

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    Get Involvedpublished at 09:46 British Summer Time 23 September

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    Arsenal’s behaviour yesterday has been misunderstood. It rains an enormous amount in Manchester so the grass is ultra green and lush. Who can blame the gunners’ back four for constantly wanting to have a closer look at it?

    Nigel, Chesterfield