Sutton's predictions: Brentford v West Hampublished at 11:14 28 September 2024
11:14 28 September 2024
Chris Sutton is making predictions for all 380 Premier League matches this season, against a variety of guests.
For week six, he takes on Maximo Park singer Paul Smith, whose latest album, Stream Of Life, is out on Friday.
Brentford host West Ham at 15:00 BST on Saturday.
Sutton's prediction: 2-1
Julen Lopetegui needs a result and he needs a performance, the West Ham way... whatever that is under him.
Their fans wanted a change, and they got the change... and I think they have expected a much better start than the one they have got.
On top of the result, what was worrying about last week's home defeat by Chelsea was how vulnerable the Hammers looked defensively. If they were solid at the back it would give them something to build on until they click up front, but there was not much to build on there.
West Ham were miles off in that game, and ended up well beaten by Liverpool in the Carabao Cup on Wednesday night too. The Reds were very fortunate with how they scored their first goal, but it feels like everything is going against Lopetegui at the moment.
Brentford are always superbly organised and carry a goal threat. They went ahead against Manchester City and Tottenham in their past two league games and although they ended up losing both, they ran Spurs very close and gave City plenty to think about too.
Even without the injured Yoane Wissa, the Bees are a well-balanced team - and probably not the kind of opposition that West Ham need or want right now.
Smith's prediction: 3-1
For the last few games I have been expecting it to click for West Ham, and that Niclas Fullkrug would score some goals, but it hasn't happened. They have got some good players but they just seem to be in such a rut that I can't see them winning this one either.
Brentford have lost their last two league games but both times they created so many chances and have gone for it. I am expecting them to go for it again here and, if West Ham aren't at it, Brentford could win comfortably.
Frank on injuries, scoring from kick off and 'fortress' Gtechpublished at 15:59 27 September 2024
15:59 27 September 2024
Emily Reilly-O'Donnell BBC Sport Researcher
Brentford boss Thomas Frank has been speaking to the media before Saturday's Premier League game against West Ham United (kick-off 15:00 BST).
Here are the key lines from his news conference:
"It's going to be a close call" if midfielder Christian Norgaard will return from injury tomorrow but Frank confirmed he has been in training today.
Rico Henry and Joshua Dasilva remain sidelined: "Josh is further down the line [than Rico]. Rico is progressing but it's still not like he will play next week." Adding: "Igor Thiago is progressing but still too far away before I can start getting excited about him coming back".
On the number of injuries Brentford have: "We've been very unlucky, but that happens, it's part of football. You can be more hit by injuries than others. We need to work on how can we get them back to playing. How can we accelerate that process, which we are working on".
Speaking about scoring very early in the last two matches: "We work on it. No doubt about it. We have a clear plan for it. Obviously we know it's difficult to score every single time from a kick-off. He added: "We have players around where the ball drops and then we play from there and then maybe teams are not ready. We were definitely ready, I think that's the most important thing."
But on going on to lose after taking the lead in both of those games, Frank said: "Our aim is always to try and score one more goal. You get two [goals] up - that's the aim and the philosophy- that can be a little bit difficult sometimes against any team in the Premier League but especially, for example, the two sides we faced, in [Manchester] City and Tottenham."
On how pleased he's been with Brentford's home performances, given their tough away fixtures so far: "We need to make the Gtech a fortress and I'm very pleased that we started with two wins in the Premier League and one cup win. Last year we were OK at home, at best, but the year before we were really, really good. We need to help the fans, the fans need to help us, so that it's very difficult to play at our place."
Frank says it is "way, way, way too early" to consider this weekend's fixture as a 'must-win' for West Ham's Julen Lopetegui, who has faced scrutiny over his side's start to the season.
What's with the dark arts?published at 07:58 27 September 2024
07:58 27 September 2024
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There has been a lot of conversation this week about "dark arts" in football following the draw between Manchester City and Arsenal on Sunday.
Realistically, everyone who has watched football for longer than one game has seen things they would perceive as "dark arts"; whether it is a player always going down winning free-kicks to take the sting out of the game, kicking the ball into row Z when there was no multi-ball system or time-wasting on goal-kicks.
These are things we see all the time but our perception of it is dependent on the context of a game. You always see some version of it somewhere, and you hope your team would be doing the same thing if in the same situation - because why should you do something that would benefit the opposition you are against?
It is the same as going down a bit more easily to win penalties - some people will say "this guy is a cheat", but then on the other side of their mouth, if it is something that could benefit them, they say "he has tried too hard to stay up, he needed to go down there".
You can have rulings, Ifab can get involved to change this and that, but there will always be a way to push the rules to their limits.
What we saw with Arsenal in that game, where David Raya sat down to get some treatment while the teams gathered, we have seen those moments before. It is not just new to Arsenal - other teams do it.
It is always based on certain moments. You do get more frustrated if it happens against you, but when you need to do it, you encourage people to do it. That is one of the beauties of football - the way you see things is always going to be down to perception, context and just whether you think it is benefiting you or not.
Nedum Onuoha was speaking to BBC Sport's Phil Cartwright
'Home comforts' - Bees need morepublished at 16:55 26 September 2024
16:55 26 September 2024
Phil Parry BBC Radio London reporter
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As with the previous two away games last week’s trip to Tottenham Hotspur could have yielded some form of return for their efforts but Brentford had to settle for ifs and maybes, not tangible points.
At Liverpool, a couple of important chances did not go in. At Manchester City a second goal to add to the early opener may have made things interesting. And at Spurs the glossed over Vicario handling outside the penalty area was an important moment, if not critical.
But the Bees return home this weekend and after a tough run of away fixtures to start the season a third successive victory at the G-Tech alongside progress to the last 16 of the League Cup would be seen as a positive start.
Thomas Frank’s side could do with enjoying home comforts over the next few months as it would be the bedrock of a potentially good season. In the last campaign the fans in west London only enjoyed five wins, half as many as the previous year when the side finished in the top half of the table. In fact, only the bottom three secured fewer home victories in season 2023-24.
Frank will no doubt indicate that the six points accrued from the opening five games in total is probably short of what is deserved. But if they were to make it nine from six with a win over a West Ham side who appear to be under some scrutiny if not pressure, it would make his walk of gratitude around the pitch at full time a little sweeter this weekend.
What is nobody talking about?published at 14:06 26 September 2024
14:06 26 September 2024
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We asked Brentford fans what's the one thing nobody is talking about but should be - good or bad?
Here are some of your comments:
Gabe: Simple really - injuries. It cost us dearly last season so hopefully it doesn’t cost us this season. We have one of the most injury-affected squads in the league with several key players out. However, this gives younger players a chance to shine.
Rory: Ethan Pinnock is making too many mistakes but Mark Flekken and Nathan Collins are performing extremely well. I think when Igor Thiago and other players come back into the squad, we will look like a threat for a spot in Europe.
Gary: Where is Rico Henry? He was due back in September after the international break but where is he? No update in Thomas Frank's press conference for weeks.
Pete: Few questions - will we turn Kevin Schade into a centre-forward as we did with Ollie Watkins? It seems like the best option at the moment with Wissa and Thiago out. Where is Fabio Carvalho's best position and how does he slot in around the existing midfield? Kristoffer Ajer has been great but Hickey's injury was clearly a set back - why didn't we go for a quality loan down that side?
Peter: No one is talking about putting aerial support up front to lock on to the long balls from the keeper. We need to stop playing out from the back and giving the ball away. Ajer could be put into this role, creating a better press and taking the pressure off the defence.
Carabao Cup fourth-round draw - who is your team facing?published at 22:32 25 September 2024
22:32 25 September 2024
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The draw has been made for the Carabao Cup fourth round, with 12 Premier League clubs having made it through and Newcastle set to play their postponed tie against Wimbledon on 1 October.
There are four confirmed all-Premier League fixtures, including Tottenham hosting Manchester City and holders Liverpool travelling to Brighton.
Ties are scheduled to take place the week commencing 28 October.
All the fixtures featuring top-flight sides are shown below:
Gossip: Brentford face competition for Wilsonpublished at 08:01 25 September 2024
08:01 25 September 2024
Brentford and Fulham are interested in a January move for Newcastle's 32-year-old England striker Callum Wilson. (Sun), external
Before moving to Al-Ahli, former Brentford striker Ivan Toney was considered by Manchester United, but he did not fit the profile desired by manager Erik ten Hag. (ESPN), external
'Time for the youngsters to shine'published at 12:48 24 September 2024
12:48 24 September 2024
Ian Westbrook Fan writer
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Don’t arrive late for a Brentford game!
That must be the advice to Bees fans after we unbelievably scored after 22 seconds for the second successive Premier League match.
Unfortunately, as at Manchester City the previous Saturday, the goal counted for little as we ended up losing away to one of the big six clubs – but those goals certainly led to wild celebrations among the travelling support.
The 3-1 defeat at Tottenham was very different to the City game, in which we dominated the opening 25 minutes after scoring.
Spurs came right back at us and we became sloppy – passing straight to their players at least half a dozen times in the first half, with two of those errors leading directly to goals.
It did not help that the defence had no protection, with Christian Norgaard, who led the side against Leyton Orient in midweek, missing with a minor injury.
Without the captain’s presence, Spurs at times overran our midfield, so let’s hope Thomas Frank is right when he says he expects Norgaard to be fit to face West Ham this Saturday.
The effect of his absence also backs up my point from the other week about how we need to tie down Norgaard to a new contract as soon as possible.
We also had no focal point up front with the start of Yoane Wissa’s long injury absence, and it’s beginning to look a bit like last season.
According to a list on the Premier League website, we already have more players out injured at the moment (seven) than any other club in the division. Time for the youngsters to shine.
Tottenham 3-1 Brentford - the fans' verdictpublished at 12:35 23 September 2024
12:35 23 September 2024
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We asked for your thoughts after Saturday's Premier League game between Tottenham and Brentford.
Here are some of your comments:
Tottenham fans
Ben: Excellent result, which should silence the doubters for a week. Real fans understand this is a journey and they need to get behind Ange and the process. This could kick start our season!!
Doug: Played like the Spurs that started last season. They were so much more clinical, played with intensity, were dangerous going forward and closed down everything especially after losing the ball. This is the way we want to see Spurs play, much more confidence in the team and so chuffed for Solanke and Johnson after the abuse they got off some so called fans.
Micky: After a disastrous start we recovered well. We tackled hard and fair, passed quickly and forwards and seemed to have a better game plan. It was good to watch and was a good game with Brentford adding to the game by not sitting deep and attacking when they could. Johnson played well and scored a good goal, hopefully he will continue to improve.
Dan: Feels like a big three points, but I never doubted Ange in the first games either. We were dominating games, so wins were coming. We saw that today and there'll be more of that to come. Solanke is going to be a class striker. He's just warming up. Brennan Johnson is on fire too. Much to look forward to.
Brentford fans
Ian: Great start, then it seemed we did not know what to do as after that it was poor passing, a lack of attacks and again being defensively naive in my opinion.
Tim: Our lack of squad depth does for us once more. We huffed and puffed, but gave away sloppy goals when pressed. Did well to hang on to 2-1 at half time and looked better second half but needed a Jensen or a Norgaard to steady the midfield. Schade will get there, but seems low on confidence just now. Carvalho is a class above and Sepp van den Berg is great too.
Brandon: A bit unlucky overall, I think we deserved a point. The late Spurs goal was always a possibility when throwing everything forward looking for the equaliser. But we're already playing with an injury depleted squad and it's only match number five. With a tiny Premier League budget we can't buy the cover, so maybe the physio team need replacing?
Cliff: We have to be more than good losers. We gave the ball away far too often. Assists by Pinnock and Yarmolyuk for their first two goals; Maddison offside for the third. Put Ajer upfront in Toney's place and then we can benefit again from long balls.
Catch up on the Premier League actionpublished at 11:15 22 September 2024
11:15 22 September 2024
Gary Lineker presents highlights and analysis from Saturday's eight Premier League fixtures.
Tottenham 3-1 Brentford: Bees overly generous at Spurspublished at 18:54 21 September 2024
18:54 21 September 2024
Sam Drury BBC Sport journalist
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It doesn't get much tougher than away matches at Liverpool, Manchester City and Tottenham to start the season.
That is the hand Brentford were dealt and that they end that run without taking a point will not surprise many.
But after the match at Tottenham on Saturday, there will be a sense that they played a significant part in their own downfall.
Having taken the lead, Brentford were quickly put under huge pressure by Spurs.
It took only seven minutes for the equaliser to arrive but the frustration will be that they gifted it to their opponents with a loose pass when they had possession on the edge of their own penalty area.
Spurs were set up to jump on any errors but there was little pressure on Ethan Pinnock when he played the pass.
To make matters worse, they repeated the mistake for the second goal, albeit the stray pass came that much further from goal.
But again it left Thomas Frank's team exposed and Spurs punished them.
There may be no shame in defeat at Tottenham but there will certainly be irritation from Brentford at how much of a helping hand they gave Ange Postecoglou's side.
Tottenham 3-1 Brentford: Did you know?published at 18:35 21 September 2024
18:35 21 September 2024
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Since the start of last season, Brentford have dropped more points from winning positions than any other side in the Premier League (36), while only Manchester City (30) have won more points from behind than Tottenham (28).
'Their end stand is bigger than our stadium' - Frank published at 17:47 21 September 2024
17:47 21 September 2024
Brentford boss Thomas Frank speaking to BBC Match of the Day after today's loss: "I'm very pleased with the performance, I think we did a lot of good things. We had four good chances to create the equalise before the goal from Maddison.
"We need to take those chances if we want to get something here, playing against a very good team who have performed well over the first four games. Today they probably raised their level a bit, plus they got the small margins and the momentum and then they are difficult to play against.
"We are playing against a team whose end stand is bigger than our stadium in terms of capacity. That shows the difference. No complaints.
"It's my job to put a competitive team out there but it doesn't help when we have five potential starters out."
On Guglielmo Vicario handling the ball outside the box: "It wasn't impacting the game. It wasn't a penalty, it wasn't a red card, it was just a free-kick outside the box which John [Brooks] should have seen. I think he refereed a very good game, that was just a small little thing. If you come here you need to get everything with us to maximise our chances in the game."
On the fast start: "Of course we train and practice the kick-off. That was a great goal."
Tottenham 3-1 Brentford - send us your thoughtspublished at 16:55 21 September 2024
Sutton's predictions: Tottenham v Brentfordpublished at 11:22 21 September 2024
11:22 21 September 2024
Sutton is making predictions for all 380 Premier League matches this season, against a variety of guests.
For week five, he takes on singer-songwriter and West Ham fan James Smith whose debut album, Common People, is out now.
Tottenham host Brentford on Saturday at 15:00 BST.
Sutton's prediction: 2-1
Tottenham boss Ange Postecoglou made changes for their Carabao Cup game against Coventry and, while they won and the end justified the means, you have got to say it looked pretty dicey for them when they trailed 1-0 after 88 minutes.
A lot has been made about Postecoglou talking about always winning a trophy in his second season, but I have heard what he said and it has been taken out of context. Now, no matter what he says about it, people are going to use it as a stick to beat him with.
This is a tricky game for Spurs and no-one is surprised anymore by the organisation we saw from Brentford against Manchester City last week, or how devastating they were when they got a chance early on.
But the Bees are without Yoane Wissa after his injury at Etihad Stadium, and he is a big miss for them.
My worry for Spurs at the moment is that, this season, they have not been as clinical or creative with the final pass when they get in the final third of the pitch as they have been previously under Ange.
They will have to be better at that here, but they are at home and I am backing them to get over the line.
James's prediction: 2-1
Brentford are a decent team but I still think Tottenham will find this much easier than they did against Arsenal last weekend. 2-1.
Earlier, we asked you for the three players who have scored more than 20 goals in the Premier League for Brentford.
Ivan Toney, Yoane Wissa and Bryan Mbeumo are the trio - and are, in fact, the only three players to have reached double figures for the Bees in the competition.