Sporting groundhog dayspublished at 09:01 Greenwich Mean Time 16 February 2017
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Michael Roughton: In Switzerland, FC Sion have won all 13 Swiss cup finals they have appeared in!
You've been watching Batman, haven't you, Adam?
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Adam Salter: You either retire a hero (Sir Alex Ferguson), or stay long enough to see yourself become the villain (Arsene Wenger).
And, Greg, as a Spurs fan your sporting groundhog day is finishing behind Arsenal in the league.
How long has it been now?
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Even has a Spurs fan, it stopped being funny and became hard to watch last night. But we shouldn't forget that Bayern are a mega-club; no English team can match them at the moment.
Greg, Bushey
And, if we're talking about sporting groundhog days, it's gives us an excellent excuse to use this picture...
We hear you, Paul. There must be someone who has the reverse of your fortune. There will be definitely be someone who manages to keep picking the National winner.
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Paul Thame: Unfortunate to have a long-ish run of backing horses that start strong in the Grand National but fall far behind by the end.
Arsenal aren't the only victim of sporting groundhog days, mind. England repeatedly suffered Ashes humiliations at the hands of Australia during the 1990 and the Chicago Cubs went 71 years without winning the World Series because of the curse of the billy goat.
Groundhog days can also be about winning too. Phil Taylor won eight successive world darts titles from 1995 to 2002. Bjorn Borg, Pete Sampras and Roger Federer all went on daft winning streaks at Wimbledon.
Pat Nevin
Ex-Chelsea winger on BBC Radio 5 live
Three of the Bayern goals came within 10 minutes, two minutes after their one defender comes off. It can’t be allowed to happen that one player is the core and everything falls apart without him.
A lot of clubs will look at Laurent Koscielny and think ‘we can drag him away’. He would improve Bayern’s back line.
No. It wasn't.
He was so incensed he spelled 'lift' wrong.
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So that's what Henry Winter has to say about that...
How about Ryder Cup legend and Arsenal fan Ian Poulter?
Was his response as measured?
Henry Winter
Chief Football Writer for the Times on BBC Radio 5 Live
It’s just from top to bottom with Arsenal, there’s no leadership. They have a silent owner who is sleepwalking towards the abyss. Their manager’s best days are behind him. Everyone can see that. He’s been overtaken by Conte, Klopp and other managers.
It’s a lack of leadership on the pitch, long-running problems. This isn’t a great surprise, although it was particularly shameful. It could have been a tennis score without David Ospina.
Henry Winter
Chief Football Writer for the Times on BBC Radio 5 Live
Arsenal are a laughing stock. There is money there, it’s a myth that there isn’t. Wenger has lost his leadership skills, there’s no invincible streak in him anymore. The Arsenal fans I was talking to today all knew this was going to happen.
They are hurting enough aren't they?
No?
OK, let's hear from the experts...
Standby for an absolute trolling by Bayern...
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The Times
The Times headline tees up our discussion today...
What sporting occurrence keeps happening to you over and over again?
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Daily Mirror
The Mirror have screen-grabbed Ian Wright's timeline of tweets from during the match last night...
They are a little sweary so we won't be showing them...
All we will say is, he didn't hold back.