Sunday football - as it happened

1. Kane levels after free-kick hits post
2. Eriksen strikes winner from 20 yards
3. Ramirez red for kicking out
4. Crystal Palace 3-1 Liverpool
5. Liverpool's third straight league defeat

That is your lot for tonight though.

With a third of the season gone, and just nine points between the relegation zone and the Champions League spots, we have a humdinging a Premier League campaign in prospect.

Just as long as you ignore pesky Chelsea, seven points out in front, that is.

See you all later.

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Crystal Pace winger Yannick Bolasie: Good win today. The Premier League only gets harder - let's go CPFC.

Week ahead

Your week ahead in football looks a little something like this.

Aston Villa v Southampton is your Premier League Monday night action.

Manchester City are fighting for their Champions League lives at home to Bayern Munich on Tuesday.

Liverpool are doing likewise against Ludogorets on Wednesday.

Tottenham at home to Partizan Belgrade and Everton away to Wolfsburg is your Europa League Thursday, with Celtic playing Red Bull Salzburg at Parkhead.

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"A goal from Christian Eriksen that was as delightful as it was important. At least to the manager it was!"

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John Hutchinson: I have a feeling that in the next few weeks there's going to be a shake down in the Premier League. Some sort of natural order will emerge.

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Gaston Ramirez was making his first start of the season for Hull.

A red card 50 minutes in means he will have to wait a while for his second.

It may be all a little academic, but I thought the Uruguayan looked bright before his early bath.

Manager reaction

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Hull manager Steve Bruce on BBC: "For me the Premier League is the spectacle it is because of the honesty and ferociousness of it. It was petulant by Ramirez but it is not violent conduct. Vertonghen goes down as if he has been pole-axed.

"Vertonghen's actions are there for everyone to see but does he have to go over like that? I would be really disappointed if I was going to do something like that. The linesman 10 yards away and there is a difference between a flick and violent conduct.

"It spoils the game, we have lost the game on a decision.

"We were more like ourselves, we were excellent in the first half,. The whole game changed the moment the guy got sent off."

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Crystal Palace striker Dwight Gayle: What a win that was today fans were unreal today. Always nice to get on the scoresheet.

What's next for Reds?

Liverpool's fixture list could go one of two ways for Brendan Rodgers.

It could be an ideal run of games against weaker opposition for his side to recover confidence. Or, lose most of them and it could be a one-way street to full-blown crisis.

They play Ludogorets away in the Champions League on Wednesday, Stoke at home on Saturday, Leicester away on 2 December and Sunderland at home on 6 December.

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Former Scotland international Pat Nevin

BBC Radio 5 live

"It's just not happening for Liverpool; they are not scoring goals and letting too many in it's as simple as that, Teams were scared to death of Liverpool last season and it was all built on that attacking play. But they've had the heart of their side ripped out. They are bottom half of the league, but that's where they should be based on the way they've played. People no longer fear Liverpool, they have a lack of confidence and they are still a scalp. It's the worst of all the worlds for Brendan Rodgers."

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Somewhere, crawling round the south circular right now, is a downcast Liverpool coach.

On board is a downcast Liverpool coach.

Brendan Rodgers has not been shy in pointing out his own and his side's shortcomings.

This is the little list in the centre of the story on the BBC Sport website:

• His players' passing is too tentative

• There is not enough intensity and togetherness

• Confidence is low and the team is conceding poor goals

• They are not aggressive and not playing as a team.

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Sam Robson: The quality may not be in the Premier League, but from fourth down the tightness of the league makes for a fascinating season.

Manager reaction

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Tottenham manager Mauricio Pochettino speaking to BBC Sport: "It was very important this victory because it is important to stay in our position. an important win for the supporters and the club. The second half at the beginning, we showed we were a better team, than the first half. Never easy to play against 10 players but in the end we deserved the victory.

"Hull scored early and it was difficult to manage. They tried to pressure us but in the second half we showed a lot of personality and character and we need to keep that in the next few games."

Player reaction

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Hull midfielder Jake Livermore: "We are disappointed. We have not had time to reflect on the incident but the game changed with the sending off. Credit to Tottenham they kept the ball very well. Ramirez has apologised but the time he played he was magnificent. The league "

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Kevin in Hornchurch: How poor is the Premier League this season apart from Chelsea? Spurs are so poor, like most around them. All the money makes for good watch but the quality is lacking. You could end up with any three out of Top 10 for Champions League places.

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Tottenham goalscorer Harry Kane: "We were told to move ball quicker and make game of it. They were winning all the second balls. In the second half we changed it. The man sent off helped. I knew Christian Eriksen would hit the target [with the free-kick] and it came right for me."

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The games hinged on Gaston Ramirez's red card just after the break.

Here are the action areas from an evenly fought first half:

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And here is the story of Spurs' second-half stranglehold:

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Chris in Norwich: Is Spurs' only tactic this season to provoke the opposition down to 10 men?

Maggie in Suffolk: Once again a sending off has saved spurs. I don't know how we have won this game, but we will take it. They make my nerves bad every time they play these days!

Mac in Sheffield: If Daniel Levy had been told at the start of the season that he would be on equal points with Arsenal and Everton, then he would've been very happy. Strange places for all the supposed 'big' teams.

Player reaction

Tottenham goalscorer Christian Eriksen: "In the first half we started slow then we were quicker. With the 10 men it helped us and gave us space. I'm going to sleep pretty well tonight [after scoring]. It's nice to see those teams expected to be in top four lose this weekend and us get the points. A few wins and we'll be up there again."

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Christian Eriksen has just picked up the man of the match award.

If a Tottenham player, rather than one of the hard-working Hull team, is going to get it, then he is the man.

A very healthy pass completion rate (92.2%), five chances created and the winning goal. Not too much to argue about there.

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Jon Dunn: Guide to beating Spurs - keep 11 players on the field.

Jonty Leibowitz: Another late winner doesn't hide the malaise at Spurs. Still our worst side in a decade.

David Nicholas: Can we play against 10 men every week? Another painful watch.

Referee Craig Pawson and his linesmen are waiting in the middle of the pitch for Tottenham to finish applauding their fans and depart the scene.

They might be best to take their time. The home fans and Steve Bruce will want a word about the red card that changed the game.

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Former Scotland international Pat Nevin

BBC Radio 5 live at the KC Stadium

"This might kickstart Tottenham's season, but I'm not totally convinced by them. They were disjointed at times, but because the Premier League is so tight a couple of wins and you are right back in there. It's a big win for them, but it hinged on the sending off and I'm sure Steve Bruce will have something to say on that. If Hull had got that second goal in the first half it might have been different."

FULL-TIME

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The four minutes extra are up. The referee looks at his watch...

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Ahmed Elmohamady's header drops wide of the Tottenham goal with Hugo Lloris watching it all the way.

Tottenham are dragging their feet over every stoppage.

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Tyrone Lewis: As "poor" as Spurs have been this season, we'll be on the same points as Arsenal and Everton if we hang on to win.

YELLOW CARD

Andrew Robertson goes into the book for a rant at Craig Pawson as Hull desperately push on.

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Former Scotland international Pat Nevin

BBC Radio 5 live at the KC Stadium

"Whenever Christian Eriksen has picked the ball up he's looked like creating something. It's a brilliant goal from him, and time is running out for Hull now."

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GOAL

The Hull defence finally cracks.

Christian Eriksen is the man who picks the lock, drilling home from 20 yards after the hosts sit deeper and deeper.

What a body blow for a Hull side who have sweated buckets.

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PENALTY APPEAL

Half-hearted appeals from the visitors as Aaron Lennon lifts the ball into Curtis Davies. More chest than hand.

Erik Lamela looks like he has controlled the ball in the box. He has, but with his arm. A free-kick which Allan McGregor will take his time over.

SUBSTITUTION

One to eat up the clock. Stephen Quinn is on to replace Robbie Brady and immediately trots across to mark Aaron Lennon.

Erik Lamela shows too much of the ball to Robbie Brady as he attempts to thread it through to Vlad Chiriches.

When Chiriches does get time and space to look up, Allan McGregor gets out and up to claim the cross.

Tottenham toiling, Hull surviving.

Tottenham scored twice in the second half to come back and claim a win away to Aston villa earlier this month after Christian Benteke had been sent off for the hosts.

Repeat order? We have 10 minutes left to find out.

Roberto Soldado looks like he was carrying an injury as he made his way to the bench.

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Paul in London: I feel for Mauricio Pochettino. Spurs must look terrific in training, but that's because our defenders are all so clueless that they make Roberto Soldado look like Pele. How do you work on something in training if your players are incapable of taking on basic concepts?

Rich in Maidstone: looks like referees are going to bail Spurs out every time they are behind away from home this season.

Dan in London: It's great that Kane scored. But if it stays like this it's a poor result for Spurs.

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Former Scotland international Pat Nevin

BBC Radio 5 live at the KC Stadium

"There's only so many times you can say with Roberto Soldado is 'getting into the right areas'. You have to judge a striker on his goals record."

SUBSTITUTION

A brief bit of confusion on the Spurs bench, but it is Roberto Soldado, rather than Erik Lamela, who will make way to allow Paulinho a run-out. A bit of a strange one with the game apparently there for the taking.

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Some rare respite from the busy Hull defence - and their attacking colleagues almost return from the other end with the lead restored.

Ahmed Elmohamady's skidding cross is volleyed just over the top by Nikica Jelavic.

Tottenham's Erik Lamala shows and goes, skipping inside Liam Rosenoir and into the box, but his effort streaks over the bar. He should have done better, even on his weaker right.

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This is where the game was played in the five minutes following Gaston Ramirez's red. It has been a game-changer.

All Tottenham now. Harry Kane gets between Curtis Davies and Michael Dawson but directs his far-post header wide, before Ryan Mason brings a good save out of Allan McGregor from distance.

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Paul Charles: Harry Kane. Always in the right place at the right time. That's 90% of being a striker.

Liam Harris: Cue the Harry Kane for England euphoria...

Thomas Rimer: Roberto Soldado is a poacher who couldn't poach an egg.

Miss!

Roberto Soldado's Tottenham career continues to perplex. The formerly prolific Spaniard duffs a horrible attempt wide after being picked out in the middle by Vlad Chiriches' cross.

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Former Scotland international Pat Nevin

BBC Radio 5 live at the KC Stadium

"Hull could really do with someone up front who could hold the ball up for then. Nikica Jelavic has run around, chased and harried but they need a player with presence to take the pressure of the defence. Steve Bruce needs to do something - it's just wave after wave of attacks from Spurs now."

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SUBSTITUTION

Hull make a second change with Tom Huddlestone, walking the yellow card tightrope, off and Liam Rosenior on.

YELLOW CARD

Hull tempers are fraying. Tom Huddlestone goes into the book for a high foot, while Jake Livermore has been booked for a bit of post-goal back-chat.

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Former Scotland international Pat Nevin

BBC Radio 5 live at the KC Stadium

"Harry Kane can't stop scoring can he? He's not had the best of games today, but he's once again in the right place at the right time. The ball rebounded back off the post and there's nothing Hull goalkeeper Allan McGregor could do about that."

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GOAL

Christian Eriksen is the source of Totttenham's leveller.

The Dane whips a fantastic shot over the wall and against the post from 25 yards out. Allan McGregor was beaten all ends up and the only touch he gets on the ball is to accidentally direct the rebound straight to Harry Kane.

He slots in the rebound from five yards for parity.

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SUBSTITUTION

Mauricio Pochettino sees Steve Bruce change and takes it as the signal to sharpen his own side's attacking edge. Aaron Lennon on in place of Mousa Dembele.

CLOSE!

A teaser of a cross from Ben Davies proves frustratingly out of the range of Roberto Soldado's outstretched leg. It was a matter of a few inches though.

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SUBSTITUTION

Steve Bruce has decided that his 10 men cannot afford to include a luxury like Hatem Ben Arfa. The Frenchman is hooked with the less subtle skills of David Meyler thrown into the mix instead.

Hull could have been two or three to the good. Now it feels like a siege is brewing.

Steve Bruce is exasperated with the decision to send off Gaston Ramirez. It could well be a turning point and Ramirez, while provoked, has to bear some of the blame.

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Former Scotland international Pat Nevin

BBC Radio 5 live at the KC Stadium

"It was a David Beckham-esque kick out by Gaston Ramirez but nowhere as aggressive. It was quite a soft sending off really with minimal contact but by the letter of the law I guess the referee has to send him off. With the extra man Spurs should dominate and make the pitch wide."

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RED CARD

The red mist descended for Gaston Ramirez and the red card climbs out of Craig Pawson's pocket.

The Uruguayan was ruffled by the attentions of Mousa Dembele and Ben Davies and is tipped over the edge by Jan Vertonghen easing his knee into him as he lay on the floor.

Ramirez reacts by kicking out at Vertonghen, the linesman spots the retaliation and that is curtains for the Hull midfielder.

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Michael Dawson crunches in to dispossess Harry Kane just as the Spurs striker cocks his left foot on the edge of the box. Nicely timed with little margin for error.

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Sonawane Mahesh: Now Spurs fans want their manager fired, Daniel Levy will oblige, Spurs will keep doing what they've been doing for years, stay ordinary.

Ian Marks: I've never seen a Spurs team so narrow, lifeless and one-dimensional. January needs to be a busy month.

David Whale: Spurs playing like they were only introduced to each other in the dressing room.

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Alan Green

BBC Radio 5 live at the KC Stadium

"So Tottenham have replaced a player at right-back who wants to play centre-back, with a player who normally plays as a centre-back?"

KICK-OFF

We are back up and running. Mauricio Pochettino does not look like the sort to smash the half-time crockery, but his side need to up everything in the second half.

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SUBSTITUTION

Tottenham have made a change as well. Vlad Chiriches is on in place of Eric Dier. I'm not sure that is going to shore up the Spurs rearguard.

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Mike Hunkin: This Spurs defence is so terrible I get nervous just looking at it. Think I'll get another beer to numb the pain.

Jon Bagel: Same old, same old - no urgency, spirit or real desire from Spurs. We are one nil down and should be happy it is only the one goal against Hull.

Oliver Lloyd: Mauricio Pochettino isn't the problem - Daniel Levy and his controlling instincts are and have been since Harry Redknapp left.

Meanwhile as Hull re-emerge to Eye of the Tiger, Spurs have work to do...

England are comprehensively beaten by Germany at Wembley, but ex-England international Sue Smith, co-commentating on BBC Two, concluded: "Our players are training a few times a week now and fitness levels are improving so much. Players were still running with no cramps in the last minute. And we've created chances against European champions Germany."

"A Neil Warnock performance". Get it trademarked like Gareth Bale's heart hands celebration.

Manager reaction

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Crystal Palace manager Neil Warnock on Match of the Day:

"That's why we're in the game for moments like this. This was a Neil Warnock team performance - they gave everything and did not shirk. They could have scored more goals. Our fans at home, wow, its like electric.

On conceding early: "We worked the last two weeks on the back four and wondered why we spent that much time. But after that Kels [Martin Kelly, who made a mistake for the goal] played really well.

"One or two journos said one or two of my players were unhappy. If that team was unhappy then I don't know where to go. I thought the whole club was very good today."

Meanwhile Neil Warnock has been in full Cheshire Cat mode...

Manager reaction

More from Liverpool manager Brendan Rodgers:

On Raheem Sterling: "He's played a lot of games. There is a lot of pressure on the young player. He's not an unknown and is a marked player. Raheem's confidence is not quite as high and the intensity not quite as high. He's an outstanding talent - he's going to have little spells like that."

On Mario Balotelli: "Mario came back from the Italy squad and it was still sore [groin] - we will assess that over the next few days."

On getting back to basics: "The confidence is low - we need to find a way. This has been a new phase - a lot of games, a lot less preparation time. We can't complain - we have to find a way to get results and show real size and power of the club. We need to get back to the basics."

On his future at the club: "I'm not arrogant to think I'll be in a job through anything. You have to win games and results. I've got a great communication line with the owners - we are honest and open with each other. I know that we have to get results and perform. The owners have to see development on the field - our development has been very good and fast. I will only ever do my best - I need to fight even harder and take responsibility."

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Liverpool boss Brendan Rodgers on Match of the Day:

"We made a really good start to the game - Rickie Lambert got his first goal with a terrific finish. We made the perfect start but failed to manage the game at 1-0.

"We are very, very disappointed with the performance and the result and as the manager it is something I need to take full responsibility for.

"Our confidence is not high at the moment, we do not see speed in the passing and we have to work even harder. It is a difficult moment, a tough time because of the results and we have to make sure we retain one focus - that of getting better and improving and very, very quickly because games come thick and fast."

Brendan Rodgers has had a lot of explaining to do.

The Liverpool manager's side were a distant second at Selhurst Park, losing 3-1 to Palace to leave them a huge 18 points off the Premier League pace.

Here is how the 2013-14 LMA manager of the year sees his current plight...

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Former Scotland international Pat Nevin

BBC Radio 5 live at the KC Stadium

"I think the most disappointed of the two sides will be Hull in that they are not further ahead. They've certainly had their chances to be more than one goal up at half-time. Spurs have slowly but surely come into the game, and haven't actually played that badly at times. Should be an intriguing second half."

Damned lies and statistics

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Never mind the numbers, Hull deserve to be ahead. Perhaps by more than one.

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Jon in Eastleigh: As a Spurs fan I feel like I've gone back in time to the late 1990s. This as poor as we've been in years - something needs to change.

Toby in Broadstairs: Being a Spurs fan is just a cycle of optimism and disappointment.

Steve in Cardiff: The problem with Spurs is that players are bought because individually, they're good. Take Soldado - he's a poacher. He should be in the box poaching a goal like Defoe. Not running around seeking. Play players to their strengths!

HALF-TIME

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That is criminal. Christian Eriksen stands up his man on the byeline and sends a peach of a cross fizzing through the six-yard box, right down the corridor of uncertainty.

Hull's defenders watch it go and fortunately for them, neither Roberto Soldado or Harry Kane have the predatory instincts to apply the finish the ball begs for.

Hull are pressed back and have a corner to see out after Eric Dier's shot deflects off Robbie Brady and behind.

Christian Eriksen goes in to try and win a 50:50 ball from Gaston Ramirez in the centre circle. The Dane had every right to go for it, but it doesn't look good as he gets there a millisecond late and leaves Ramirez in a quivering heap.

Craig Pawson resists the home fans' calls to pull out yellow.

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Former Scotland international Pat Nevin

BBC Radio 5 live at the KC Stadium

"All of Tottenham's best play has come through Christian Eriksen. When he gets in central areas, rather than being forced out wide, Spurs look like creating something and pose much more of an attacking threat."

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If Tottenham are going to get a goal, it will have to come via a slip, deflection or misjudgement from Hull. They don't look capable of creating their own chances.

Both defences stretched close to breaking point. Hull's Ahmed Elmohamady gets back to head the ball into Allan McGregor's grateful gloves, before Nikica Jelavic's flick sets Robbie Brady loose and Eric Dier has to put on the after-burners to pull level and keep him from cutting in on goal at the other end.

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Mark in Nottingham: Is there a squad anywhere in the land with more average yet overpriced players than Spurs? Mix n Match of ordinary.

Tom in Worcester: Can someone please explain the thinking being signing Federico Fazio? Surely they would have seen him run before signing him. Cart horse.

James in Belfast: Who will be sacked first, Brendan Rodgers or Mauricio Pochettino?

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YELLOW CARD

Eric Dier goes into the book as he chops down Robbie Brady with a scissoring slide challenge.

Tottenham are irritated that a Tom Huddlestone tackle a few minutes before did not warrant the same punishment.

Very different result though. Harry Kane's shot thuds tamely into the wall.

Now then. Harry Kane is lining up a free-kick, central, 30 yards out and very similar territory to his winner against Aston Villa...

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Tom Thrall: I honestly thought Spurs defence might improve without Younes Kaboul, but I forgot Spurs sold Michael Dawson. What a mess this is.

Ashley Williams: Baldini bought players with Bale money. A committee used Suarez money. Both teams struggling. managers aren't making signings.

Vinny Person: Dawson sold for Fazio? Sigurdsson sold for Lamela? Defoe sold for Soldado? And this is why we pay Baldini the millions.

Better from Spurs. Erik Lamela is alert to flick the ball onto Eric Dier and the full-back gets in a decent cross which Curtis Davies heads clear to the edge of the area.

Christian Eriksen picks up possession, wriggles for space to shoot and sees his effort deflected wide.

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Possession? Over-rated.

Liverpool has more of the ball against Palace earlier today and Tottenham have certainly been second best so far at the KC.

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Former Scotland international Pat Nevin

BBC Radio 5 live at the KC Stadium

"Playing that high line Spurs look like they are going to get caught. They had two brilliant chances in a row for Hull. It's incredible that they are only 1-0 up. Will they live to regret not putting it to bed?"

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CLOSE!

Tottenham should be 2-0 adrift as Hull miss two fine chances.

First Robbie Brady demands a good save out of Hugo Lloris with a snap-shot from 15 yards. Lloris has to be smart again to keep out a thumper from Gaston Ramirez shortly after and looks on relieved as Hatem Ben Arfa clumps the rebound over the top.

If you come that far as a goalkeeper, you have to claim the ball. Hugo Lloris, under pressure from Curtis Davies, drops a free-kick right at Gaston Ramirez' feet. Ben Davies bails out his team-mate with a block on the Uruguayan. It was a crucial one as well.

Robbie Brady is peeved with Craig Pawson's call as the referee rules that he fouled Erik Lamela as he clambered past the Argentine. Tottenham are struggling to get in the game at the moment.

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Gareth Murray: This not celebrating scoring against your former club is getting rather irritating. You're Jake Livermore not Denis Law!

Bright Eugene: Come on Jake, celebrate! That was a belter!

Dax Fullbrook: Steve Bruce/Hull 1-0 up and he is barking orders from his technical area. Mauricio Pochettino/Spurs 1-0 down and he sits there with his legs crossed.

Jake Livermore is one of three former Spurs with points to prove against their old club. Michael Dawson and Tom Huddlestone are the other Hull players who slapped high fives with their ex-team-mates before kick-off.

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It has been a bright start from Hull for whom Gaston Ramirez has been pirouetting like a prima ballerina, keeping the ball and drawing a foul in the centre circle.

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GOAL

Jake Livermore does not celebrate against his old club, but he must take some personal satisfaction from that strike.

Tottenham clear the initial ball into the box through Federico Fazio, but fail to apply enough pressure on their former player. Livermore controls, gets his head up and drills a low shot into the bottom corner from 20-odd yards.

That is the sort of drive and directness that Tottenham could do with in their own midfield.

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Ashley Williams: Sorry but nobody, including Steven Gerrard, can get on a pitch based on performances in previous seasons. He's not good enough now.

AF Slater: Liverpool fans claiming Brendan Rodgers as their saviour last season, are now calling for him to be sacked? Bonkers.

Thomas Renshaw: The team needs to step up. No one is creating space. Liverpool cannot beat teams that simply sit in front of them. Rethink.

Roberto Soldado gets away the game's first shot in anger. It is a decent connection, but dead central and Allan McGregor drops on it with time to spare.

Andrew Robertson, who was so impressive for Scotland against England on Tuesday, is already getting forward for Hull from left back.

Ahmed Elmohamady might have just got away with one there though. The Egyptian appeared to allow a nothing ball to glance off his hand as he ushered it back towards Allan McGregor. Referee Chris Pawson failed to spot it though.

KICK-OFF

Roberto Soldado and Christian Eriksen tap the ball between each other to get us up and running.

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That is a lively playmaking three selected by Hull. Hatem Ben Arfa and Gaston Ramirez are joined by Robbie Brady, who is fresh from scoring twice for the Republic of Ireland against the United States.

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Keith in Chester: It's been forgotten that Liverpool are only five points off fourth place despite all their troubles. Surely if they are in crisis then so are Arsenal Everton and Spurs?

Rob in Birmingham: If Kenny Daglish was still in charge Liverpool's league position would be far better now and he would have had the nous to take the title last year from their winning position? He signed Suarez after all. Still a big mistake letting him go for me. How many other managers are there around who have won the league?

James in London: I don't think anyone will deny Liverpool overachieved last season. This meant Rodgers created a rod for his own back. When he came in two seasons ago, we all said he needs time. The fact that we had a great, perhaps lucky season last year, does not change that fact.

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While Liverpool scrape their sorry selves back onto the team bus at Selhurst Park, Mauricio Pochettino might be glad for someone else to take the tabloid heat.

His side have already racked up four league defeats already at White Hart Lane, and with Emmanuel Adebayor having a bite back at the home fans, now might be a good time for a trip to Hull.

England were pushing for a goal before the break but Germany striker Celia Sasic has made it 3-0 on the stroke of half-time with a header.

Watch and follow that game on our dedicated page.

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Gary Lansley: Quite incredible the amount of 'fans' giving Steven Gerrard grief. Show some respect that guy has done so much for your club.

Aidan Williams: Just seen someone calling for Steven Gerrard to be sacked. Calm down children

Jack Reed: Liverpool need to pack up shop and sell the trash. Martin Skrtel, Glen Johnson, Dejan Lovren, Simon Mignolet, Rickie Lambert, Mario Balotelli, Lucas etc

A shattered-looking Brendan Rodgers is just fronting up to the television camera. Very downbeat as you would expect.

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Phil McNulty

BBC Sport chief football writer

"Worrying sign for Liverpool was how they offered little or nothing after Crystal Palace equalised. As if the goal shattered them mentally."

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Gary Lineker

BBC Sport

"No SAS = SOS for Liverpool! But worth pointing out amidst Liverpool's crisis that that's a mightily good result for Palace."

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Mark in Wirral: Millions wasted! Brendan Rodgers should be sacked along with Steven Gerrard and Glen Johnson. Disgraceful! Wake up Liverpool owners and act before its to late.

David in Swindon: Time to move Gerrard into a similar role as Ryan Giggs at Manchester United. He'd be a great motivator and good support for Rodgers as a coach.

Nick in London: Liverpool are not in meltdown. Things aren't going for them right now. they didn't deserve to lose at Palace, on an unplayable pitch.

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What Brendan Rodgers doesn't need is a big-name charismatic manager making noises about moving to the Premier League.

What is that Jurgen?

"I think England is the only country I think where I should work, next to Germany because it's the only country I know the language a little bit and I need the language for my work," said Borussia Dortmund's Mr Klopp to BT Sport this week.

"If somebody will call me, then we will talk about it."

Brendan better hope that John W Henry doesn't subscribe.

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Stu Thomas: All the problems with Brendan Rodgers seen by Swans fans. Odd selections, players out of position, no plan B. Time's up I think.

Alistair Lowe: Sad reality is, I didn't expect anything today. Liverpool and Brendan are in a mess and the transfer committee a laughing stock.

Paul Mulligan: Massive parallels between Liverpool and Spurs - two irreplaceable players sold in Gareth Bale and Luis Suarez. Rebuilding takes time

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Crystal Palace and DR Congo winger Yannick Bolasie on Sky Sports: It has been one of the best weeks of my life. Qualifying for the Africa Cup of Nations, scoring two goals in that, and setting one up today. I did well against Liverpool last year and had a good feeling today."

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Hal in Edinburgh: Brendan Rodgers' tactical set up was perfect with someone as dynamic as Luis Suarez playing that open centre forward role. He's gone now, not been replaced and now we see how weak Liverpool are as a squad despite incredible funds recently. Brendan's transfer policy is too poor at this point to be safe in his job.

Scott in Warrington: Liverpool need to sign a big player to bring the mojo back. Rodgers won't get the support of the board based on their current position. It's a vicious cycle. I can't see why any iconic players would want to sign for Liverpool, either. I bet Rickie Lambert is thinking if he made a mistake leaving Southampton.

Matt: Liverpool bought the polar opposite of Suarez in Mario Balotelli and Lambert. They'd have been better off bringing Carlos Tevez in for a season.

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Liverpool finished two points above Chelsea last season. They trail the Blues by 18 points after a third of this.

They have now lost their last three league games and are closer to the relegation zone than the Champions League places.

Crystal Palace 3-1 Liverpool

BBC Radio London 94.9

Former QPR striker Bradley Allen: "Neil Warnock will be proud of every single one of his players with the desire they showed. It's given them a huge amount of belief that they can stay in this division. There's no arguments, Palace were completely deserved winners. That they came from behind, when Liverpool were on top and in control, shows the character they have."

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Last season's 3-3 draw came as a bit of a smash-and-grab from Palace. This result feels more like just desserts for a side that showed greater attacking threat and held Liverpool at bay with ease after the second minute.

FULL-TIME

Palace have their first win in six Premier League games. Liverpool have an inquest to carry out.

Crystal Palace 2-1 Liverpool

BBC Radio London 94.9

Former QPR striker Bradley Allen: "What a performance by Crystal Palace and it will given them a massive injection of confidence with the games they have to come. Dwight Gayle has been an example to everyone with his workrate, he's given absolutely everything out there. He's the man of the match today by a good distance."

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Liverpool are pumping the ball long to Rickie Lambert. Pass and move has gone out of the window.

Crystal Palace still on the ball, stroking around midfield with Liverpool chasing shadows.

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James: Ellesmere Port Rodgers needs time just like Ferguson got at Utd. Remember they finished 2nd in '88 only to finish outside the top ten the following season. Took Utd another four years to land the title.

From Mo, Manchester: Can anyone else wait to hear Rodgers excuses this time? How can you be a good manager when it's quite clear Suarez was our reason for success without him we have a load of overpriced players who bring nothing extra to our team, clueless management is an understatement.

MikeD: BR the 3rd LFC manager (inc GH/RB) to bring team to runners up spot and then blow the momentum in following transfer market. Can't be solely down to manager flaws - club has to look at itself in terms of overall organisation, scouts, commercial men, decision making. Back to square one yet again.

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Mark Duffell: Liverpool have conceded six goals in two games against Palace. There is no defence for that. Appropriate. As Liverpool have no defence.

Kuni Poonasamy: Why Brendan Rodgers refuses to play two upfront is beyond me. It's not like we bossing the midfield!

Mark Voisey: No denying it anymore. Liverpool are just awful. Deserve to be where they are. Players aren't helping Rodgers at all.

INJURY TIME

Four minutes of injury time as Marouane Chamakh almost gets on the end of a cross. A fourth Palace goal looks likelier than any Liverpool fightback.

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Raheem Sterling gives away a free kick as he hacks away at the back of James McArthur. Palace are seeing this out in relative comfort.

Team news

Hull City boss Steve Bruce makes six changes from the side who lost to Burnley last time out. Allan McGregor, Andrew Robertson, Michael Dawson, Gaston Ramirez, Hatem Ben Arfa and Nikica Jelavic are all given starts.

Tottenham are without the suspended Kyle Naughton, so Eric Dier deputises at right-back, while Erik Lamela replaces Andros Townsend, who withdrew from England duty with an ankle injury.

Hull XI: McGregor, Elmohamady, Robertson, Dawson, Davies, Huddlestone, Livermore, Ramírez, Brady, Ben Arfa, Jelavic. Subs. Harper, Rosenior, Chester, Meyler, Hernandez, Sagbo, Quinn

Tottenham XI: Lloris, Dier, Fazio, Vertonghen, Davies; Dembele, Mason, Eriksen, Lamela; Kane, Soldado. Subs. Vorm, Ball, Chiriches, Ceballos, Lennon, Paulinho, Stambouli.

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Scott, Warrington: Mignolet somehow puts it out for a thrown from a freekick. Goal. Skrtel stupidly gives a freekick having gone behind. Goal. Liverpool only have themselves to blame. It's pitiful.

Jerry, Essex: I've been happy to stand by Rodgers but things are getting ridiculous now. Solid cb in Toure left on the bench, good lb left on bench so we played a rb there. Gerrard's past it. Borini and Can should have started.

Bill in Hereford: Biggest worry for Liverpool now, is how long will Sterling stick around? If he was to go, with all that money wasted from Suarez we would be mid table at best.

James, Watford: Not good enough for Reading. Not good enough for Liverpool. Bye Bye Rogers.

It's not looking good for England, Germany striker Celia Sasic takes advantage of some miscommunication in midfield and slots home after a run from halfway. England players immediately have an on-pitch inquest.

Watch and follow that game on our dedicated page.

Fabio Borini scuffs over the top as he swivels to hit Martin Skrtel's headed knock-down five yards out. Palace fans cheer mockingly. They can afford to now. Karma is not going to get them now.

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SUBSTITUTION

Yannick Bolasie departs to a deserved ovation. Barry Bannan is on in his place.

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Louis Strong: That was actually a master class on free-kicks. Placement was perfect, took his time. Sign him up Liverpool I think you need him!

Dean Horspole: Breaking news! Crystal Palace have signed Ronaldo. What a free-kick!

Saul Fulda: Mile Jedinak! Quality free-kick. Liverpool in meltdown!

Steven Gerrard's effort flies tamely off his instep and over. He cuts a very depressed figure right now..

Can Liverpool pull something out of the fire? Steven Gerrard lines up a free-kick 20 yards out and slightly to the right...

Crystal Palace 3-1 Liverpool

BBC Radio London 94.9

"One of the finest free-kicks you are going to see this season. If Cristiano Ronaldo scored that goal they would be showing it for weeks and weeks afterwards. But you don't expect Mile Jedinak to score free-kicks like that!"

Germany lead in the sixth minute at Wembley and it's a Simone Laudehr header from a corner - watch and follow that game on our dedicated page.

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GOAL

Palace have their three goals like last season. And this time I think it will be good enough for three points.

Mile Jedinak steps up, after Martin Skrtel's foul on Dwight Gayle, and sends a lovely 30-yard free-kick arcing into the top-corner past a despairing Simon Mignolet.

Liverpool has a penalty shout a minute earlier for a foul on Raheem Sterling, but that is set to be only a footnote in another defeat.

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Crystal Palace 2-1 Liverpool

BBC Radio London 94.9

Former QPR striker Bradley Allen: "Palace's players have stuck at it, kept closing players down and their work has been rewarded. But what were Liverpool doing trying to play out from the back like that in these conditions?"

GOAL

Liverpool's defence leaves great big gaps and Yannick Bolasie is eager and cute enough to fill them to potentially decisive effect.

The Palace defender shrugs off Dejan Lovren out wide and sweeps a low cross into the centre where Joe Ledley, with Raheem Sterling and Steven Gerrard trailing, side-foots home through the legs of Simon Mignolet.

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SUBSTITUTION

Neil Warnock tweaks his team in reaction to Liverpool's two changes. Jason Puncheon off and James McArthur on.

England's Jordan Nobbs has just hit the crossbar from 30 yards within the opening 15 seconds at Wembley but nobody is able to turn in the rebound - watch and follow that game on our dedicated page.

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Sam Jones: The entire Crystal Palace XI currently on the pitch cost less than Adam Lallana. Liverpool look so average, Luis Suarez money completely wasted.

Jordan Johnson: I think I would rather have Yannick Bolasie than Lallana in my team.

Max Wattz: All top teams have a player that makes something out of nothing. Eden Hazard, Yaya Toure, Angel Di Maria etc. Liverpool got rid of theirs.

SUBSTITUTION

Emre Can, who many Liverpool fans wanted to start, is going to get 15 minutes. Joe Allen still sporting some protective headwear is off.

England v Germany's friendly is under way at Wembley in front of a sellout 55,000 crowd - watch and follow that game on our dedicated page.

Raheem Sterling gets in down the right, but the Palace defence hack his centre clear. The visitors are getting into a bit of a groove.

Crystal Palace 1-1 Liverpool

BBC Radio London 94.9

Former QPR striker Bradley Allen: "Both teams in different ways are showing promise of a winner. Liverpool look good through their quality on the ball of individual players, Palace you feel could just nick a goal on the break."

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SUBSTITUTION

Adam Lallana off and Fabio Borini on as Liverpool go two up top and Brendan Rodgers looks to tilt the momentum his way.

Liverpool prise open the Palace defence for the first time in the second half. A neat give and go between Joe Allen and Adam Lallana draws the defenders' attention, opening space for Glen Johnson down the left.

Johnson's low cross is spilled by Julian Speroni, but the Palace goalkeeper regains his feet and the ball before Lallana or Rickie Lambert can pounce.

Yannick Bolasie, all elastic limbs and dropped shoulders, is giving Javier Manquillo a torrid time down the Palace left. This time though the Liverpool full-back gets the better of their contest, shepherding a heavy touch out behind for a goal kick.

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Simon in York: There's no room for sentimentality in football. Steven Gerrard clearly doesn't have the dignity to just retire like Gary Neville did so the club need to get rid of him in my opinion. I understand he's desperate to win the Premier League but Liverpool can't continue to indulge him like this. He could be in his 60s or 70s by the time Liverpool surround him with good enough players to win a title. Just get rid.

Bill in Hereford: What has happened to Liverpool? They can't pass forward, they couldn't keep a clean sheet if their lives depended on it (nothing has changed there I suppose) and they don't look half or even a quarter as convincing when in attack as they did last season! I like Brendan Rodgers, he is a very good manager but he needs to sort this out soon.

Jacob in Derby: We (Liverpool) need to just accept that every time we even get close to success, it will always be followed by what our players and manager will describe as a period of 'transition'. Reality is that we'll never hold a period of success like Manchester United or Arsenal did.

Ohh! Yannick Bolasie flings himself at a cross at the far post, but he is a good foot short of making any contact.

Palace's fans are bouncing. Brendan Rodgers has told Fabio Borini to warm up.

Palace have clearly been told to get bodies around around Simon Mignolet at set-pieces. The Liverpool goalkeeper is mobbed at the corner, and Jon Moss decides having to make your way through a mosh-pit crush to claim a corner is a little unfair.

Free-kick to allow Liverpool to relieve the pressure.

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Javier Manquillo gets a fistful of Marouane Chamakh's shirt after getting spun by the Moroccan. He drags down the Palace striker just inches short of the box. A fully-deserved yellow card, and Mile Jedinak's shot deflects over the bar from the resulting free-kick.

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Crystal Palace 1-1 Liverpool

BBC Radio London 94.9

Former QPR striker Bradley Allen: "Dwight Gayle has led the line tremendously well for Palace. He has not stopped running all afternoon for Neil Warnock. Liverpool's defence have not had a moment of peace. This game is there to be won for Crystal Palace if they want it. They need to take a few risks but it would be a massive three points for Neil Warnock's side if they can get it."

Steven Gerrard's shooting boots are somewhere up on Merseyside. The Liverpool skipper has his fourth shot of the match, this time from 25 yards, and he is yet to trouble Julian Speroni.

Liverpool are starting to edge a little closer. Rickie Lambert kicks a Palace defender rather than the ball from Javier Manquillo's cut-back, almost combines with Philippe Coutinho on the edge of the box and then watches Martin Skrtel slash over the top as the ball dropped invitingly to the Slovak at the back stick from a deep corner.

It is far from last season's heights, but is better than the depths of this current campaign.

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Charlie North: Neil Warnock showing once again how good a manager he is. Give him the Man City job they'd win the Champions League in his first season.

Ahmer Murad: Palace defending well and then dangerous on the counter. Liverpool need more penetration and creativity. But where from?

Dennis Waithera: Crystal Palace are becoming a bit of a bogey team for Liverpool.

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YELLOW CARD

Martin Skrtel gets up and jogs back towards his own goal after a cynical body check on Marouane Chamakh up around halfway.

He can't convince Jon Moss that it was just a run-of-the-mill foul though. He is called back to collect his yellow card.

This looks like what the pre-game form lines suggested. Two out-of-sorts sides, short on confidence, struggling to put together a semblance of a gameplan. It is not impressive from either.

Crystal Palace 1-1 Liverpool

BBC Radio London 94.9

Former QPR striker Bradley Allen: "Liverpool are trying to stretch Palace by spreading the play from one flank to another. They're trying to pull Palace players out of position to open space up through the middle."

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Steven Gerrard's brow furrow gets a fraction deeper. The Liverpool captain takes on a free-kick from 25 yards, but his effort just keeps rising and rising, thumping into the Palace fans behind Julian Speroni's goal.

Women's international

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Former England forward

"England's record against Germany is awful but it's a new era now. They've qualified for the World Cup easily and they are looking forward to getting a result against Germany. It's a real test to see how far the girls have come. It's sometimes a psychological hurdle to face Germany and one they can hopefully overcome. At Wembley with 55,000 it will be a big occasion, and hopefully the crowd can get behind them. I think they will play up to the crowd and get a result."

England women are playing Germany in front of a 55,000 sellout Wembley crowd today.

You can watch it on BBC Two, listen on BBC 5 live sports extra and follow updates on our live text commentary, all via the same magic link.

Palace are immediately on the front foot with Yannick Bolasie stubbing a chipped cross into the box, Martin Skrtel making a mess of the clearance and Steven Gerrard relieved to see the ball run to a friendly face after ricocheting off this toes.

KICK-OFF

No changes for either side at the break.

Palace are back out and looking eager - running some shuttles down by the sideline as they await Liverpool to join them.

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Ashley in Plymouth: Those blaming the sale of Luis Suarez forget the run Liverpool had while he was banned at the start of last season. It's Daniel Sturridge we're really missing.

Jack in Lancaster: Suarez wanted to go. Nothing to do with Brendan Rodgers. Too many fair weather fans moaning. Get behind the team.

Scott in Warrington: The difference between this season and last season for Liverpool is that we previously could rely on outscoring teams even if we conceded - anyone remember the 6-3 game against Cardiff? Now, we can barely score, and there seems no chance of keeping a clean sheet, so where on earth should the money in January be focused?

Raheem not living the dream

Good shout Madan (see 14:25).

I was just looking at Raheem Sterling's first-half numbers and they are a bit puny.

He has had only 18 touches (Liverpool's joint lowest total) created no chances and won only one of five 50:50 contests with a Palace player.

Here are his first-half touches mapped out for you to muse over:

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Sean O'Se: I think it is time to drop Steven Gerrard though. These were always the decisions Sir Alex Ferguson always got right at Manchester United.

Madan Roka: Raheem Sterling has been almost invisible out there for me. I wonder if the workload is having an effect perhaps?

Yullaw: Sterling is an overrated player. In two years I think he will decline into obscurity.

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Liverpool had plenty of the ball, but Rickie Lambert's second-minute goal is their only effort on target.

Crystal Palace 1-1 Liverpool

BBC Radio London 94.9

Former QPR striker Bradley Allen: "It's been a contrast of styles with the two sides - Liverpool intricate with their passing and movement and Palace a lot more direct. Yannick Bolasie, in particular, has been outstanding for Palace and caused Javier Manquillo all sorts of problems."

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"It was a wonderful start for Liverpool and Rickie Lambert. Palace regained their composure and came straight back at them. Liverpool again not having things their way at Selhurst Park."

HALF-TIME

Palace finish the half the stronger.

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What a ball! Jason Puncheon takes Javier Manquillo out of the equation with a superb ball in behind the right-back. Yannick Bolasie is scampering in behind, but his first-time shot from a tight angle is a flier, clearing the bar.

Liverpool's defence looks the nervier of the two out there. Once again, some players press, some stand off and Joel Ward finds a pocket of space to send a skimming shot into Simon Mignolet's midriff from 25 yards.

Two minutes added time.

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Andrew: Selling Luis Suarez is proving to be a disaster. He not only supplied all goal opportunities but give us an extra defender by making teams think twice about exposing their backs with open attack. This is going to cost Brendan Rodgers his job.

Roy: The top managers, at the top clubs talk of "only signing players who will improve what they already have". Brendan Rodgers has done the opposite - spending millions on players no better or even worse than what's already at the club!

Mo: I've said it a million times and will say it again, Rodgers is clueless. In Glen Johnson and Dejan Lovren your offered nothing but defensive errors, Joe Allen and Raheem Sterling are playing poorly, and we have no good striking options. What was the transfer market for again?

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Steven Gerrard clips a free-kick deep into the Palace box, but Brede Hangeland, on for Damien Delaney, holds off Martin Skrtel and the hosts break with intent.

Yannick Bolasie inevitably is at the heart of it, swapping passes with Jason Puncheon, before Javier Manquillo dives in to deflect his goal-bound effort over the top.

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Dominic O'Caollai: How do Liverpool go into away games without Lucas?? Steven Gerrard is too slow and cannot track a runner to be in defensive midfield alone! Ridiculous.

Kuni Poonasamy: No width in Liverpool game. Take Coutinho off bring Can on. Need to boss the middle more.

Thelee Ban: Get some muscle in the midfield Liverpool and put on Emre Can.

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Liverpool are building some pressure without ever forcing Julian Speroni to dirty his gloves.

Raheem Sterling stabs a cross against the hand of Martin Kelly at point blank range, but referee Jon Moss is not having any of it.

Then Steven Gerrard rolls back the years as he throws every ounce into a shot from 30 yards. It flies just over the top.

A miss!

Rickie Lambert ghosts to the back post, Joe Allen reads his intentions and serves up a dolly of a cross, but the Liverpool striker cannot get any angle on a header which flops tamely wide.

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Almost very nice from Liverpool, but Philippe Countinho's disguised pass to Adam Lallana fails on two counts.

The ball just escapes Lallana's stretching first touch, while the linesman's flag was up anyway.

Crystal Palace 1-1 Liverpool

BBC Radio London 94.9

Former QPR striker Bradley Allen: "A good save from Simon Mignolet, and in these conditions you may as well have a shot from distance so expect Yannick Bolasie to have a pop again if he gets into a good position."

Yep, he is definitely in the mood.

Palace's Yannick Bolasie warms Simon Mignolet's hands with a skidding effort from 20 yards after twisting and turning Javier Manquillo down the Palace left.

The Palace pressing game is making it hard for Liverpool to find space. Rickie Lambert's height though gives them more old-school options and the big striker should do better when Steven Gerrard arrows a free-kick onto his forehead.

His header flies over from little more than five yards out.

There is a distinct height difference in the two midfields. At the moment, Philippe Coutinho, Raheem Sterling and Adam Lallana are getting muscled out of things by the taller Mile Jedinak and Joe Ledley.

Yannick Bolasie, in the words of the man to my left, is "on one today". The Palace winger, buoyed by his role in Palace's goal, is demanding the ball and running at the Liverpool defence.

He is a menace on his day. And this might be one of those days.

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Ross Gordon: Did Martin Skrtel leave his head in the dressing room? Too slow.

Ashley Williams: Skrtel didn't follow the rebound. Looks slow and off the pace.

Patrick Wall: How does Dejan Lovren keep getting games? Decision making and placement are woeful and Skrtel isn't much better.

Crystal Palace 1-1 Liverpool

BBC Radio London 94.9

Former QPR striker Bradley Allen: "I think Dwight Gayle is the lucky charm against Liverpool! Goal poachers like Gayle follow those chances in and put them away. People wonder why he doesn't play more, and I think he's maybe the kind of player who has suffered from teams not playing two strikers up front."

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GOAL

No prizes for guessing the identity of Palace's scorer. Dwight Gayle has his fourth in two and a bit games against Liverpool as he reacts quickest to get to the loose ball after Yannick Bolasie's low shot came back off the post.

Gayle sorted his feet well to side-foot the ball against the helpless Simon Mignolet and into the net.

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Ryan Cowie: Dream come true for Lambert! Well done Rickie - patience does pay off sometimes.

Vinny Person: Mario Balotelli's surname sounds more exciting than Lambert, plus he costs more, so I suppose that's why Lambert preferred him for so long.

Teme Akl: The face of Lambert after he scores for says a lot! Point proved!

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Takes some getting your heads around that stat. But it is basically good news for the visitors.

Joe Ledley gets in a crucial interception as Javier Manquillo bursts down the left and in behind. Martin Kelly is keen to make amends after he was caught out for the opener, but a horrible high punt over is not the way to do it. That was Palace's first effort at goal.

Joe Allen is back on the pitch by the way. It looks like someone has fashioned a tight-fitting hat out of a pair of old tights to protect his head wound. Mario wouldn't be seen dead in it.

Crystal Palace 0-1 Liverpool

BBC Radio London 94.9

Former QPR striker Bradley Allen: "The early goal has given Liverpool a lift. They are looking good. Palace don't know whether to stick or twist. If they go for it now and Liverpool punish them on the counter attack it could be a long afternoon. Neil Warnock may want to keep it tight until half-time then have a go at the back end of the second half if the deficit is still only one goal."

Joe Allen has trotted to the sidelines for treatment. No-one is going to begrudge him a minute with the physio.

The Welshman has cut the top of his head and his shirt is splattered with claret. The running repairs are continuing.

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Liverpool have kept a clean sheet just twice this season. They might need more of that Saints' old boys magic.

The visitors have looked bright though with Philippe Coutinho getting time on the ball and buzzing busily.

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Ahmer Murad: Dream start for Liverpool! Superb first touch and a great finish! That goal must have meant so much for Rickie Lambert.

Prince Gyimah: Where would Mario Balotelli have been for that sumptuous pass from Adam Lallana?

Mickey Somiah: All down to the Southampton connection. What a peach of a pass from Lallana to Lambert.

Liverpool's fans are in full voice after that opener.

"Poetry in Motion," they are claiming. It is a bit early for that perhaps.

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Crystal Palace 0-1 Liverpool

BBC Radio London 94.9

Former QPR striker Bradley Allen: "A magnificent goal from Rickie Lambert. Martin Kelly switched off, but you have to say Lambert finished that brilliantly."

GOAL

The Southampton connection comes good for Liverpool.

Rickie Lambert darts in behind former Liverpool defender Martin Kelly, Adam Lallana spots the run and picks him out with a pinpoint floated throughball.

Lambert's first touch kills the ball, his second, off the outside of his left peg, slides it past Julian Speroni.

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KICK-OFF

Up and running. Raheem Sterling looks like he has a central role behind Rickie Lambert from Liverpool's early shape.

Fifty-five minutes into their last visit to Selhurst Park, Liverpool fans were dreaming.

Luis Suarez, having just put his side 3-0, ran to retrieve the ball from the net. Manchester City, now only six superior in terms of goal difference, were in their sights. The Reds' first title in 24 years was still possible despite a gut-wrenching defeat to Chelsea a week before.

A little over half an hour later and the visitors were plunged into a nightmare.

Liverpool to kick off...

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The rain has not put off the Crystal Palace cheerleaders, who continue to strut their stuff with grins in place despite the mizzle.

Time to see if the Palace first team can match that professionalism.

The two sides have just emerged from the corner of the ground. Palace already stripped down to shirt sleeves, Liverpool wrapped up in trackie tops.

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Liverpool manager Brendan Rodgers on Sky Sports: "Rickie Lambert's earned the right to have a period of games. Today is an opportunity for him. Rickie is the type of striker that needs a run of games. Mario Balotelli is missing with a groin problem that kept him out of the Italian squad. We haven't scored anywhere near the goals we'd like."

On last year's 3-3 at Selhurst Park towards the end of the season: "I've banished memories. People look at that game as the one that cost us the title, but it was game before. Disappointing the way it ended, but I didn't think it was the game that dictated where the season went."

On Palace: "They are a difficult team to beat. They defend well and have really honest players. They showed great resilience last year. They have a lot of quality and play the game on the counter. Yannick Bolasie is a talent and Jason Puncheon has a great left foot. Palace have got pace that can penetrate behind."

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Benji, Surrey: Fans have stuck with Rodgers but we will start to see that change if Liverpool lose today. Dangerous team selection leaving out Toure after his heroic performance in Madrid, and in light of Lovren's poor start. and again with Can after his great game against Chelsea - Allen has been poor recently. Could backfire quickly for Rodgers today.

Graeme, now in Leeds: Re Adam Matt in Leicester. I can give you twenty million reasons why Rogers persists with Lovren.

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Augustus Waiters: Can only think that Emre Can is getting rest for Champions League. Otherwise, it makes no sense to leave him out.

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A slide tackle by the touchline today could see you end up in the lap of a fan in the front row.

It has been chucking it down this morning in London. The rain has eased off now, but it will certainly take a stud.

Show him onto his right!

So, Lionel Messi broke the Spanish La Liga goalscoring record on Saturday when he scored a hat-trick for Barcelona against Sevilla.

It took the Argentine's tally to a mere 253 - and all this at the age of just 27.

We've put together a piece looking at how Messi has scored his goals (blue goals are left foot, right in green and red with his head) - please do check it out.

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Dan in Edinburgh: Emre Can's reward for playing well against Chelsea is to get dropped. Our best left-back is on the bench and our worst defender starts there. Not sure what Brendan Rodgers is playing at.

Neil Warnock and Brendan Rodgers have reason to be glum.

Palace have taken just one point from the last 15 on offer in the Premier League - a run that features defeats against Manchester United, Sunderland, Chelsea and Hull.

Only twice have Liverpool had fewer points at this stage of a Premier League season, back in 1992-93 and 2012-13.

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Fair to say neither manager is thumping the drum ahead of this one...

Hull v Tottenham (16:00 GMT)

MOTD2 Extra

Discussing Hull v Tottenham which is live on BBC Radio 5 live.

Former Republic of Ireland, Everton and Sunderland midfielder Kevin Kilbane: "Hull have been on quite a bad run of form and not been getting results. They'll target this one and see themselves getting a win."

Match of the Day commentator Steve Bower: "Spurs have changed that many managers. They definitely need to win today and get moving up table. This manager is the one owner Daniel Levy will stick with."

Sunday Times football correspondent Jonathan Northcroft: "The hiring of new head of recruitment Paul Mitchell this suggests they are backing manager Mauricio Pochettino long term."

Women's international

MOTD2 Extra

Discussing England's women v Germany women at Wembley this afternoon.

Former Republic of Ireland, Everton and Sunderland midfielder Kevin Kilbane: "As a one-off game it will be difficult for them. I think it's more the hype surrounding it. However, I think once the players settle down and get that initial spell in the game over with it will become easier."

Sunday Times football correspondent Jonathan Northcroft: "There's a real freshness about the England camp. They are all excited about it. There's a lot of experience about that team and plenty of players who can rise to the occasion. If they can put in a performance in that game there might be an appetite for more."

Whelan situation

MOTD2 Extra

Discussing Wigan owner Dave Whelan who is being investigated by the FA over comments about Jewish and Chinese people.

Former Wiagn midfielder Kevin Kilbane: "I know Dave Whelan. He used to come in and go around the training ground. I don't believe he's racist. From these findings he said if he's found guilty he'll walk away. To hand the reins to his grandson would be early. Probably long term he sees his grandson David as his long-term successor."

Sunday Times football correspondent Jonathan Northcroft: "The FA have a headache of how to punish him if he's found guilty. Can you ban an owner? They would struggle to find the right punishment. He would punish himself if found guilty by quitting, but the FA would need to set a precedent."

Whelan has denied being racist. In an interview with ITV News, Whelan added that he does not expect to be found guilty because "I'm absolutely anti-racist, always have been, always will be".

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Liverpool's goalscoring troubles

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Discussing Liverpool's goalscoring problems this season and the the performances of strikers Mario Balotelli and Rickie Lambert.

Former Republic of Ireland, Everton and Sunderland midfielder Kevin Kilbane: "Because Mario Balotelli isn't producing there will be doubts in the dressing room. Even from a work rate point of view you are not seeing him putting it in. If you're not getting the goals you need to give that. Patience runs thin at a club like Liverpool and you need to produce quickly. The other players like Adam Lallana and Lazar Makovic need time to deliver, but this is a huge game for Liverpool against Palace."

Match of the Day commentator Steve Bower: "He's not even playing today and we are still talking about Mario! Rickie Lambert has been champing at the bit to play. It's clear he needs to start games, play regularly because he needs that sharpness and keep the fitness ticking over. It's difficult to judge him on 10 or 15 minutes here. I think Liverpool fans have to be realistic about when they will see the best out of him."

Sunday Times football correspondent Jonathan Northcroft: "If Mario doesn't produce, other players will resent him. Could Divock Origi come in January? They would need to renegotiate the deal in January with Lille and I understand that the player wants to come. With Daniel Sturridge out injured and Balotelli struggling they look like they need him."

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Liverpool on Twitter: Liverpool's players make their way into Selhurst Park for today's game against Palace

Martin Skrtel looking like a youthful Kojak there...

Unstoppable Chelsea?

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Discussing the form of table-topping Chelsea, who defeated West Brom 2-0 on Saturday.

Former Republic of Ireland, Everton and Sunderland midfielder Kevin Kilbane: "Going forward on Saturday is as good as I have seen from Chelsea. It was an incredible performance from them."

Match of the Day commentator Steve Bower: "They are loving their football, enjoying playing for their manager and with each other, they have consistency, power and defensive strength."

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Tom in Sheffield: One of the first time I've looked at the Liverpool line up and felt satisfied this season, hopefully a fine chance for Lambert to show what he can do, especially with Lallana and Sterling behind him. Would love to see this line up get a run of games.

Kevin Keats in Bradford: Brendan Rogers is losing it. How Lovren, Johnson and Gerrard keep getting picked is beyond me. Can and Borini have to start.

Adam Matt in Leicester: What does Kolo Toure need to do to get a game? Shut out the world's best player? Why Rogers persists with Lovren I just don't know.

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Mike Cheesman on Twitter: Couple of quick questions: Why is Can on the bench? Why is Johnson starting? What the dickens is Rodgers playing at?

Andy Parker: Glad to see Lambert getting a chance today. About time the hungrier players got a chance ahead of Balotelli

Mario about town

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It would not be fair to leave you with just a head and shoulders shot of Mario Balotelli from last night though.

The Liverpool striker opted for pedal-pushing jeans, a denim shirt and a circulation-stopping waistcoat complete with pocket square as he watched Tony Bellew's win over Nathan Cleverly.

Nice.

Scottish Premiership

There is just one fixture to tell you about in the Scottish Premiership today with Aberdeen at Patrick Thistle.

That match has just kicked off and you can follow all the action on our very own Scottish live text.

The relegation battle

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Discussing the struggling teams at the bottom end of the table.

Former Republic of Ireland, Everton and Sunderland midfielder Kevin Kilbane: "When you are at the bottom and conceding goals as QPR are - that is going to bite you in the back. Burnley striker Danny Ings had been struggling with injury at the start of the season but he was on the mark again on Saturday. I saw him last year and thought he could go on to be a Premier League striker. Leicester boss Nigel Peraon is realistic, he knows there will be difficult periods for his team this season. The Foxes will be there and thereabouts in terms of the bottom three all season."

Match of the Day commentator Steve Bower: "I would be surprised if QPR went on a run of three or four wins on the bounce. I don't think they are playing together as perhaps, for example, Newcastle - you wonder where the goals are coming from and they look like conceding all the time. Leicester were defending tightly at the start of the season and Leonardo Ulloa was scoring but the goals have dried up now. It would be different if they had somebody else chipping in with goals."

Sunday Times football correspondent Jonathan Northcroft: "I do not think QPR have been right for a while. They look like a team that have been in a slump for some time. Burnley boss Sean Dyche at the start of season showed his season a results map of Crystal Palace last season - said that like with Palace their start will be horrendous but stick with it, results will come. And they are starting to."

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One man who will not be involved at Selhurst Park today is Mario Balotelli. The striker picked up an injury while he was away with Italy and took the opportunity to take in last night's boxing during his enforced absence, posting a picture on Instagram of himself and former super middleweight champion Joe Calzaghe.

What to make of those teams then?

Has Neil Warnock picked Dwight Gayle just to see the Liverpool defence shudder at the thought of what he did last year?

Will Raheem Sterling be pushed on in support of Rickie Lambert to bring a bit of pace to Liverpool's frontline?

Would Martin Kelly be more useful to Liverpool than the rumoured £1.5m they got for him in the summer?

Newcastle's rise

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Discussing Newcastle's remarkable turnaround. They were bottom of the league on 22 September and are now fifth after a 1-0 win over QPR.

Former Republic of Ireland, Everton and Sunderland midfielder Kevin Kilbane: "In the League Cup at Manchester City, you thought it'd be a walkover, but manager Alan Pardew got them playing that night. They were also 2-0 down at Hull then Papiss Cisse comes on and scores twice - it changes the dynamics. They are in a comfortable position - they won't finish in the top four, but in the top half."

Match of the Day commentator Steve Bower: "Pardew is getting the best out of the players. He's had to sell players again, but got striker Ayoze Perez for £1.5m and he's had to play him. Then Gabriel Obertan, who didn't get many chances last season, scored a crucial goal against Leicester and got the run going."

Sunday Times football correspondent Jonathan Northcroft: "They go on these big runs, circle the wagons and get to the top half of table, then lose games. He's had to assimilate new players. Once he's decided his selection then there's consistency. I've given up trying to predict Newcastle."

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BreakingBreaking Crystal Palace team news

Crystal Palace include Dwight Gayle up front, with Fraizer Campbell dropping to the bench. Mile Jedinak also returns for the Eagles as James McArthur drops to the bench. Martin Kelly is in against his old club, replacing Adrian Mariappa.

Crystal Palace starting XI: Speroni, Kelly, Delaney, Dann, Ward, Jedinak, Ledley, Bolasie, Puncheon, Chamakh, Gayle.

Arsenal's defensive woes

MOTD2 Extra

Discussing the performance of Arsenal's defence against Manchester United and the frailties of the Gunners' backline following their 2-1 loss to the Red Devils.

Former Republic of Ireland, Everton and Sunderland midfielder Kevin Kilbane: "The way Arsenal played, they needed to keep things defensively tighter. They were exposed at the back, particularly with Per Mertesacker and Nacho Monreal, they are individual mistakes. It's naivety and what you expect from young players. You wouldn't see that from a Chelsea back four."

Match of the Day commentator Steve Bower: "Arsenal should have won that game, and we shouldn't be discussing this. You have to wonder how much say is coach Steve Bould having? Surely he can get his experience and opinion and across on the training ground? Chelsea have raised the bar for defence. Nobody seems to be up there, you look at Liverpool and Manchester City and they have frailties as well."

Sunday Times football correspondent Jonathan Northcroft: "Is the culture of the team right? Jack Wilshere is disciplined in performance for England against Scotland but he was all over the place against United. There isn't a culture at Arsenal where if they make a mistake they are pulled up on it. At Chelsea you know if you make a mistake you know Jose Mourinho will be straight on to you."

Liverpool have confirmed that Mario Balotelli and Jordan Henderson were left out because of a groin injury and illness respectively.

BreakingBreaking Liverpool team news

Never believe what you hear. Our rumour-mongers are a way out on Liverpool's line-up.

Liverpool include former Southampton pair Adam Lallana and Rickie Lambert from the start. Raheem Sterling IS included, while Fabio Borini is left on the bench along with Emre Can and Lazar Markovic.

Liverpool starting XI: Mignolet, Manquillo, Skrtel, Lovren, Johnson, Gerrard, Allen, Lallana Coutinho, Sterling, Lambert

Man Utd on the up?

MOTD2 Extra

Discussing Manchester United's 2-1 over Arsenal at the Emirates Stadium on Saturday - and how significant it might be for Louis van Gaal's team.

Former Republic of Ireland, Everton and Sunderland midfielder Kevin Kilbane: "It was backs to the wall and is a big result for them this season. Arsenal created numerous chances, and perhaps United were fortunate. But it was the manner of the result and they look in good shape for the rest of the season. United's young players are starting to put some of their more experienced big earners under pressure."

Match of the Day commentator Steve Bower: "It was all about the result for United. If one of those two teams could get a result then it would give the players that belief. For United's young players it will help them kick on into December. United's young defence didn't buckle and for young players like Paddy McNair and Tyler Blackett they will come back to Manchester full of pride. A year ago McNair couldn't get a game for their Under-21 side and he's come into the senior side and grown."

Sunday Times football correspondent Jonathan Northcroft: "Louis van Gaal said it wasn't his best performance but it was his best result. They were without three first-choice defenders, a couple of kids at the back and were under siege for the first 30 minutes. To get that result after the international break it felt like a big result. There are a few weakness in that United team but some strengths starting to emerge."

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From Anna Thompson, BBC Sport at Wembley: "It's been pouring with rain all night and there are no signs of it abating so the Wembley turf is looking a bit sodden. Will be interesting how it holds up as England Women take on European Champions Germany in a historic match in front of a sell out 55,000 crowd."

Line-up rumours

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Absolutely nothing confirmed as yet, but there are some rumours floating around as to Liverpool's starting line-up.

If the tittle-tattle is to be believed, Brendan Rodgers has gone with Fabio Borini and Rickie Lambert in attack, left out Raheem Stering and included Adam Lallana alongside Steven Gerrard and Joe Allen in midfield.

We shall see...

MOTD2 Extra

Match of the Day Two Extra is go! You are just two clicks away from some of the finest football chat around.

First click: on the Live Coverage tab at the top of this page. Second click: On Mark Chapman's cheery face.

Job done.

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Tanay Apte: I'll take a 3-3 draw today just to see Liverpool start scoring again!

Nico Lennon: Hungover, weather is grim and the London transport system has ground to a halt. Battling through to watch Palace v Liverpool. Should be a cracker.

Chris Fleming: The battle for fourth place looks to be (near enough) between nine teams! I'm sure in a dozen games it'll be back to normal.

They will also doubtlessly be looking ahead to today's matches, including Liverpool's return to the scene of last season's traumatic 3-3 draw with Crystal Palace.

Here are a couple of bits of background reading for you ahead of that one.

Firstly, Marc Higginson's blow-by-blow account as Istanbul 2005 was thrown into reverse.

Secondly Daniel Taylor's article reflecting on the same evening and whether Liverpool could have dug in their heels to resist Luis Suarez's subsequent move to Barcelona. His Guardian article describes Suarez as a "brilliant swine". Which sounds like the way an RAF pilot might refer to a talented Luftwaffe counterpart.

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MOTD2 Extra

MOTD2 Extra is coming up soon on BBC Two, Radio 5 live and the website - with the programme starting at 12:15 GMT.

This week Mark Chapman is joined by former Republic of Ireland, Everton and Sunderland midfielder Kevin Kilbane, Match of the Day commentator Steve Bower and Sunday Times football correspondent Jonathan Northcroft.

Among the subjects up for discussion are Manchester United's win at Arsenal, the rise and rise of Newcastle and the battle to avoid relegation.

Cheers Saj, the lights of the Match of the Day 2 Extra studio are just getting warm.

T-minus 10 to transmission.

Handover time

That is it from me. Thanks for your Get Inspired anecdotes and other tweets and texts. I will now hand you over to "Magic" Mike Henson who will be your guide for all of Sunday's match action.

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Marc Dyson: Grimsby Town's strike force of Kevin Drinkell and Paul Wilkinson at fortress Blundell Park in the 80's inspired me.

Jon Rowlands: Watching Peter Schmeichel in goal for United inspired me to do so. People thought I was mad that I didn't want to play outfield and score goals!

Luke Parsons: David Beckham inspired me to play football. I always tried to bend it like Beckham! Rarely happened though. He was a dead ball artist.

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James Patten: Our Sunday game got called off for the fifth week running. Our last game we got hammered 4-0 at home.

Garry Philpott: Sheppey United U15 lost first seven games. Changed manager and won last two games. Hoping to make it three in a row. Teamwork is the key!

Chris Blackley: Called off again! Youth football season needs to be moved to spring/summer.

How did your Sunday league team get on today? What or who inspired you to start playing football?

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On Chelsea after the leaders' 2-0 victory over West Brom: "They're miles ahead. The best team in the Premier League and I think they'll win it by a mile.

"They didn't start brilliantly against West Brom but they started to get balls into the box and Diego Costa thrives on that."

Chelsea continue charge

Before we conclude this early segment of Sunday's football live text, I guess I have to mention new champions... I mean leaders Chelsea.

They cruised a 2-0 win over 10-man West Brom on Saturday, Diego Costa scored again and Mourinho again played down the fact his side are outstanding title favourites.

Give them the title now?

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Travel latest

This is for those going to watch sport today in and around London, including England Women v Germany at Wembley at 15:00 GMT and Crystal Palace v Liverpool at 13:30 GMT:

BBC Breaking News: Charing Cross Station in London closed after fire on train, says London Fire Brigade.

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Ollie: Enfield-Winchmore Hill are 3-1 down at half-time at home, captain is off injured. Inspired comeback to win 5-3.

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Adam Hodge: I hated football until I discovered football cards. Made me want to watch the players for real and play like them.

David Booth: I couldn't stand football as small kid, but my friends used to play it so I forced myself to play too, and now I love it!

Alex Smith: When my dad took me to my first ever football match at Ashton Gate I was inspired.

What or who inspired you to start playing football - and have you been in action this weekend?

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Pellegrini should get inspired

Anyway, maybe Manuel Pellegrini needs to take himself away from the maelstrom that can be Premier League football and head on down to Prestwich, Salford or Failsworth today. Maybe he can get inspired by Sunday league football ahead of his side's clash against Bayern Munich...

Alan Shearer on Match of the Day

On Manchester City: "Going forward, there's no problem but defensively, I think they're a million miles off where they should be. They're all over the place. If they defend like that against Bayern Munich in midweek, they'll be in big trouble."

City on song

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Plucky (champions) Manchester City managed their second win in seven games with a 2-1 win over Swansea.

Football folk have been a little bit critical of Manuel Pellegrini's men of late, but at the start of Saturday they had two more points than they had at this stage in last season's title-winning campaign.

Here's the bad news - they are eight points behind Chelsea. Match of the Day's Alan Shearer isn't impressed by them either.

Rangers struggling

Sunday Mail

Over in Scotland, Rangers need to get inspired by somebody or something soon - they are nine points behind leaders Hearts in the Scottish Championship after losing 2-0 to them on Saturday.

Gers manager Ally McCoist believes the gap is "not insurmountable". Hmmm...

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Ellie: Liverpool uni medics women are taking on the vets this afternoon. Hoping to continue our winning streak! Come on girls!!

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lan Drysdale: I was inspired by World Cup Italia 90 - it was love at first sight and never looked back.

Golden Cannon: Match Of The Day was inspiring. Every time someone got the ball when we played football someone would sing the theme tune.

What or who inspired you to start playing football - and have you been in action this weekend?

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Robbie Savage on Match of the Day

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On West Ham defender James Tomkins, who went down clutching his face after Everton's Kevin Mirallas pushed him in the chest: "It's embarrassing. I did something similar in a cup final once, to try to gain an advantage. I look back on it and I was embarrassed and humiliated. It's not something you want to see."

Alan Shearer on Match of the Day

On Stoke City winger Victor Moses' apparent dive against Burnley: "I've given him the benefit of the doubt previously but I can't protect him at all on this occasion. Plain and simple, it's a dive. He thinks he's going to get hit by Michael Duff but the tackle doesn't come, he just goes down anyway.

"Why Martin Atkinson didn't show him a yellow card, I'm not sure. It's not nice to see."

On Everton's Ross Barkley, who took a tumble during Everton's 2-1 win over West Ham: "He's very guilty of a dive and you could see he's embarrassed because he gets up half a second later. Hopefully he'll learn from it because we don't want to see that."

Oscar winning

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Acting. Laurence Olivier, David Niven, Jim Carrey (pictured) - should we add Stoke's Victor Moses, Everton's Ross Barkley and West Ham's James Tomkins to that list?

That trio (the latter three) were hotly debated on Saturday's Match of the Day on the theme of diving and feigning. What did you think?

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Neil H: Congratulations to the Essex U17 Centre of Excellence Girls who won 4 - 0 yesterday against Cambridge. Well done Hannah on your hat trick! All off to Wembley to support the Ladies. Come on you Lionesses!

We want to hear how your team got on this weekend.

An England v Germany aperitif

And before the heavyweight clash between England Women and Germany at Wembley - BBC Two & BBC Radio 5 live sports extra 14:45-17:00 & live text coverage - check out a video on the Get Inspired site of a Football Association, the Premier League and the Football League Trust project to get more women and girls involved in the sport.

Women's international

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England Women's striker Toni Duggan: Unbelievably excited to be playing at Wembley in front of 55,000 people and so many friends/family. Feels like Christmas.

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Get Inspired

Hey, we are all about football here - but apparently there are other sports you can get involved with. The BBC Get Inspired site tells you how. That tennis coaching sounds good, although Littlehampton is a tad too far for me...

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Rio Ferdinand: Wrapped up warm... Now ready for the little man's Sunday football.

Who else is off to play Sunday football? Have you already played this weekend? Did your team get hammered? What was the pitch like?

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Messi becomes La Liga leader

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A few miles south of England, a small Argentine was rewriting the record books - figuratively speaking - by becoming the highest goalscorer in La Liga history.

Lionel Messi scored a hat-trick and his 253rd goal as his Barcelona side defeated Sevilla 5-1. The previous record was held by Telmo Zarra, who scored 251 goals in 15 years for Athletic Bilbao between 1940 and 1955.

Barcelona are back up to second in the table - two points behind Real Madrid. Champions Atletico are third four points adrift of their city rivals.

Former England defender Rio Ferdinand: #Messi sees the game without any blurs whatsoever. Record goalscorer in La Liga....at 27yrs old.

There is more from Rio coming up....

BBC football coverage on Sunday

So it is another jammed-packed day of football on the BBC. Here is what is coming up on TV, on the radio and online:

MOTD 2 Extra, 12:15 GMT - BBC Two and BBC Radio 5 live

Crystal Palace v Liverpool, 13:30 GMT - London 94.9 (UK only)

England Women v Germany, 15:00 GMT - BBC Radio 5 live sports extra & BBC Two

Hull v Tottenham, 16:00 GMT - BBC Radio 5 live

606, 18:06 GMT - BBC Radio 5 live

MOTD 2, 22:30 GMT (23:25 in Scotland) - BBC One

Sportscene, 22:30 GMT - BBC One Scotland

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Eton Rifles FC: Lining the pitch before I follow with a plastic bag clearing dog mess. You don't get that in the Premier League.

Did you win this weekend?

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So, carrying on the theme of amateur football, have you been in action this weekend?

Whether you play for a junior team, turn out for the seniors or figure somewhere in between, we'd love to hear how you've gone on this weekend. Hat-trick hero or the man (or woman) who let a last-minute strike dribble through your legs? Muddy pitch or top-class 3G? Up to the top of the table or stuck at the bottom?

Get in touch using #getinspired, text in on 81111, or go to the BBC Sport Facebook page.

And remember - we'd love to see your photos as well.

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Eben Philip: Two teenagers in the heart of defence against Arsenal. Louis van Gaal -The only manager with guts to do that in a crunch game.

Alan Shearer on Match of the Day

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On Louis van Gaal's use of Robin van Persie for Manchester United: "He had 12 touches of the football, three of them were corners. He wasn't comfortable on the right-hand side and Van Gaal is not getting the best out of him.

"He was getting pushed off the ball too easily and to make matters worse he got taken off again. In a game of that magnitude, he'll be bitterly disappointed."

Luckily for United, they had Wayne Rooney, scorer of their second goal. It has been a good week for the England striker, who also bagged against Slovenia and Scotland.

Reds go marching on, on, on

What about Manchester United? Fourth in the table. In what looks a one-horse race - OK, what is a one-horse race - the places behind Chelsea appear to be up for grabs.

Defensively, Louis van Gaal's team were magnificent in the 2-1 win at Arsenal - bear in mind Chris Smalling, Tyler Blackett and Paddy McNair were the three picked to marshal a potent attack.

BBC Sport's Chris Bevan was at the game - you can read his thoughts on the website.

Alan Shearer on Match of the Day

On Arsenal's defending: "Arsenal will be kicking themselves, they should have been out of sight at half-time. It's just naive and it doesn't look as if they're learning.

"They had nine players forward when Rooney scored the second goal. If there were two minutes left, you could understand it but when there's 15 minutes left, there's no need for it."

Gunners misfiring... again

Sunday Mirror

Prior to the Sunday action, it's always worth a look back at Saturday's football entertainment.

Starting with Manchester United's 2-1 win at Arsenal. What is it with the Gunners? A stronger squad, but a bit of mess at the back.

They were formidable in attack, and had they converted a handful of their 23 efforts - that's right, 23 - then perhaps we would be full of praise for Arsene Wenger's side, however...

Arsenal midfielder Jack Wilshere came off with an ankle injury, but he was in the thick of the action and even had time to nuzzle the chest of United's Marouane Fellaini - at least I think that's what he was trying to do.

Anyway, it seems the Gunners want to hold on to him by offering a new deal - let's see what the future holds for the 22-year-old England international.

Padraig's story

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For those who love a good inspirational story, check out this BBC Radio 5 live audio clip about Padraig McKissock.

The Belfast teenager scored 33 goals in the 4-a-side Homeless World Cup to help Northern Ireland win, and now has teams in the Irish Premiership after him.

Your local football inspiration

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We will bring you live text coverage of both of those matches - are you a Red filled with dread or Spurs fan who is wondering whether Mauricio Pochettino is the right man for your club? Let us know.

What is guaranteed is that Sunday's teams will play in modern stadiums - but I bet they would rather be playing on a muddied pitch, with no officials, enjoying two-minute half-time breaks and having a dog chase the ball.

For them and you BBC's Get Inspired have handy links of how to find a local team and also how to get involved in community projects around the country.

So, before we get stuck into Sunday's Premier League action, we want you to let us know who or what personally inspired you into getting involved in football? If you have any pictures, send them in.

• Was it your primary school teacher?
• Was it a relative?
• Did you slice the oranges?
• Were you a regular person running the line?

Contact me using #getinspired text in on 81111, or go to the BBC Sport Facebook page.

Chelsea driving off

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Maybe they should award 20 points to whoever beats Chelsea this season.

However, unlike in Formula 1, it might not have any impact come the final day of the season.

You see, Jose Mourinho's men are now seven points clear at the top after 12 games following Saturday's 2-0 win over West Brom - one bookmaker paid out last week on Chelsea winning the title.

Liverpool and Tottenham were expected to challenge the Blues this season, but both are a staggering 18 points behind.

They both have a chance to... well... reduce the deficit today:

Liverpool v Crystal Palace (13:30 GMT)

Tottenham v Hull (16:00 GMT)