Champions League - reaction

1. Injured Shaw stretchered off after long delay
2. Moreno & Narsingh with headers
3. FT: Man City 1-2 Juventus
4. City led through Chiellini own goal
5. Morata winner with crisp 20-yard strike

That's all from us tonight then.

You can read the very latest on Luke Shaw's injury here or read all of tonight's football reports here.

Good night and see you all tomorrow.

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What next?

Tonight is the first time that Manchester United and City have both been beaten on the same Champions League night.

They will have to bounce back quickly - United face Wolfsburg at home in their next Champions League game on 30 September, while City travel to take on Borussia Monchengladbach.

More from Louis van Gaal:  "It is the same game as against Swansea. We dominate the game, create chances but we are not finishing."

Van Gaal on Shaw

Manchester United boss Louis van Gaal: "Luke Shaw is in hospital, he will be transferred with us, maybe, otherwise a day later and shall be operated in Manchester probably. It is awful."

'A very bad tackle'

Manchester United boss Louis van Gaal: "It is awful. The boy is in his second season and he has been playing fantastic. And now this happens.

"He had the oxygen mask on and was crying in the dressing room. You must judge for yourself. If I say it was a penalty and a red card then I am a bad loser.

"It was a very bad tackle."

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Shaw set for operation

Manchester United defender Luke Shaw suffered a double fracture of the right leg and will be transferred to Manchester to be operated on, the club have announced. 

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We are still waiting to hear from Louis van Gaal.

More to come from Eindhoven

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Phil, Bristol:  Gutted. Hard to know where City went wrong. Juve defended very well, and Buffon pulled off a couple of blinders. But Sterling should have scored twice.

Tony, Manchester:  Disappointing result but people are forgetting we were playing the Italian Champions and last seasons finalists. Long way to go.   

Gavriel Seiter:  Unlucky tonight. On the bright side my United fan friends can't make fun of me tomorrow. No shame in losing to Juve.

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We are waiting on full confirmation on the extent of Luke Shaw's injury but we will let you know as soon as we have it.

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Sympathy for Shaw

Pat Nevin

BBC Radio 5 live at the Etihad Stadium

"The injury to Luke Shaw was difficult for me to watch, and I can sit happily and watch Korean horror movies. 

"It actually hurt to watch because I've been through it a couple of times myself. I know the horror of thinking about whether it's going to be right again, whether you're ever going to get back. 

"With modern hospital treatments I am sure he will, but it was a horrible, horrible moment in what looked like being a key season for him."

Juve end their wait

Kompany injury

Confirmation that Manchester City captain Vincent Kompany was withdrawn with a calf injury tonight.

More on that when we have it.

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Martin, Bristol:  Let's all just jump on the 'Premier League isn't good enough' bandwagon! I feel it's the right reaction to judge a league based on the results, not performances, of two English teams in Europe! Imagine losing to last year's finalists and to some questionable decisions despite complete domination away in Europe's premier competition... Shocking!     

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'We've got a lot to learn'

I didn’t see it [the Luke Shaw injury] but a few of the players witnessed it, it was very sad and we are trying to find out how he is. We missed that cutting edge in the final third. In the first half they scored from their only chance and they punished us on the break. It’s a very disappointing night. We’ve got a lot to learn.

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Is that the difference at this level? Juventus scored two goals from almost nothing while Wilfried Bony and Raheem Sterling wasted some great chances for Manchester City.

'We played better than Juventus'

Manchester City manager Manuel Pellegrini: "It's disappointing, I don't think we deserved to lose. We had better chances and played better than Juventus. It was a typical Champions League game, both teams didn't create many chances but we had more possession. It was not a tactical problem, Juventus just scored two beautiful goals."

Juve's defence stand out

Pat Nevin

BBC Radio 5 live at the Etihad Stadium

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"Paul Pogba really caught the eye, Juan Cuadrado worked hard, but it was the Juventus defenders who really caught they eye. They played so well."

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Pete Roach:  The only good thing for both of the Manchester clubs tonight is that the other lost.

Jon:  Terrible night for United. Moreno should've been off, ref poor. Mata, Fellaini useless. Must take chances, created enough.

Bhavin Shah:  More upset about Shaw than the defeat - didn't deserve the draw considering their keeper didn't make a 2nd half save.

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A bad night for Manchester's clubs in the Champions League as Ronaldo fills his boots once more.

Your reaction please:

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Brighton flying

Brighton open up a five-point gap at the top of the Championship after beating Rotherham, with Middlesbrough in second.

Catch up on all of the results and action here.

Power outage

Conor McNamara

BBC Radio 5 live at the Philips Stadion

"The Dutch journalists were celebrating so vociferously that one of them kicked my power point out of the wall and I was put off air. 

"The PSV players are doing a lap of honour round the pitch. It's a a famous night for them but a costly one for Manchester United with the injury to Luke Shaw as well."

'They were lucky'

Manchester City's Yaya Toure, speaking to BT Sport: "I think the Italian team defended well and I think they were lucky today. We just have to be strong and try to bounce back in the next game. We missed a lot of chances today. We have to learn from it and try to do better."

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Elsewhere in Europe

It's full time in Tuesday's Champions League games. The rampant Cristiano Ronaldo has bagged a hat-trick in a 4-0 win for  Real Madrid over Shakhtar Donetsk, while fellow Group A rivals Paris St-Germain opened their campaign with a victory over Malmo.

Wolfsburg have beaten CSKA Moscow courtesy of a Julian Draxler goal, while Atletico Madrid won 2-0 in Galatasaray.

Borussia Monchengladbach were back in Europe's top competition after a 37-year absence but lost 3-0 to Sevilla and Champions League debutants Astana were beaten 2-0 by Benfica.

Double woe for Manchester tonight then.

Both sides can take positives from their displays but the overall feeling is one of disappointment and ultimately frustration. 

FULL-TIME

BIG celebrations in Eindhoven as PSV come from behind to take victory in Group B.

Luke Shaw's suspected broken leg will throw more cloud over this game as far as Manchester United are concerned. They were on top for large spells but were just not clinical in front of goal. 

Caution to the wind time as Manchester Unietd flood black shirts forward. PSV smell a third on the break and are almost in on goal but Daley Blind just about hacks it away. 

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INJURY TIME

The crowd in Eindhoven are all on their feet as we approach stoppage time. It may not quite be a smash-and-grab, but close from the Dutch champions.

THREE MINUTES ADDED ON.

Same old story?

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What it is about City and the Champions League? They came up against a top side tonight, bossed the game for long stretches but came undone when it mattered.

Pat Nevin

BBC Radio 5 live at the Etihad Stadium

"We keep talking about how much Juventus love defending, but at no point in this game has Wilfried Bony looked threatening. 

"The one clear opening he had he ballooned high and wide."

FULL-TIME

City lose their opening game in the Champions League again.

A huge reaction from Juventus. They know this is a big moment in terms of Group D. 

INJURY TIME

Experience personified as Giorgio Chiellini buys a free-kick from Wilfried Bony. Into added time...

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Lee Macleod:  Best league in the world? Don't make me laugh!

Richard Fridl:  PSV had two shots all night and they are up! Their best player so far? JuanMata. What a shocker he has again.  

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Memphis Depay is ever lively, and his low cross from the right evades a clutch of players, including substitute Marouane Fellaini, and runs on through.

Five minutes left in Eindhoven. 

Phil McNulty

BBC Sport chief football writer

"It's a familiar, familiar feeling around Etihad Stadium - Manchester City finding life tough in the Champions League even when they are dominant domestically. There is just an unease around the team and supporters when it comes to this tournament. It still feels like Manchester City need to convince themselves that they belong here."

Pat Nevin

BBC Radio 5 live at the Etihad Stadium

"Juventus are very comfortable in this situation, defending deep. They are where they want to be now. That was almost something brilliant from Yaya Toure - how many times have we seen him do that? 

"It's what Manchester City need right now."

Maxime Lestienne has been a danger down PSV's left and after he blasts over former Newcastle man Luuk de Jong wastes a glorious chance to wrap this one up.

In on goal, onside, hammers way over the top...

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GREAT SAVE!

Quality early hit from Yaya Toure, no backlift, plenty of dip and power but once again Gigi Buffon is equal to it, a full-length dive and turn away. 

Nicolas Otamendi was rolled slightly for that Alvaro Morata goal but it was by no means a mistake. A brilliantly taken goal from a striker who had been feeding off scraps all night.

Three minutes left. City have played largely well tonight but have been wanting at the fine margins at either end.

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Pat Nevin

BBC Radio 5 live at the Etihad Stadium

"Juventus will go to three at the back now, with two wing-backs. And that is one of the hardest back fives you will face in world football.

"It's also worth noting, after Vincent Kompany came off, who came on to replace him? Nicolas Otamendi. And who got rolled for the Alvaro Morata goal? Nicolas Otamendi."

SUBSTITUTION - Aguero on

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Injured on Saturday, saviour on Tuesday?

Sergio Aguero is on for Manchester City, replacing Samir Nasri. How fit is he?

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Ash Wiliams: Wow another quality night of English teams in Europe. City and United were winning and now both losing.  

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Anthony Martial, jet-heeled again, springs away from the PSV defence but from a very tight angle he drags a shot wide.

United have 13 minutes of normal time remaining. 

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Elsewhere in Europe

Can nothing stop Cristiano Ronaldo? The man has just completed his hat-trick against Shakhtar Donetsk by heading in after a Marcelo shot was parried by keeper Andriy Pyatov. That's eight goals in two games for Ronaldo.

Not too bad. 

Elsewhere in Europe

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Astana are the first team from Kazakhstan to take part in the Champions League but they have gone two down against Benfica after goals from Nicolas Gaitan and Konstantinos Mitroglou.

An Edinson Cavani header has doubled Paris-St Germain's lead against Malmo, while Sevilla are also 2-0 up against Borussia Monchengladbach after an Ever Banega penalty.

Pat Nevin

BBC Radio 5 live at the Etihad Stadium

"Is this another sob story for Manchester City in the Champions League? Yet again?  

"It's an absolutely brilliant finish, and what a beautiful turn by Alvaro Morata. Joe Hart couldn't do anything about that." 

GOAL - Man City 1-2 Juventus

Another fine goal from last year's finalists as Alvaro Morata scores a belting drive! On his left foot he hits it early, it's going wide until the last second and curls just enough to kiss the inside of the post and go in.

A superb goal.

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SUBSTITUTION

Paulo Dybala is on for Juventus, replacing goalscorer Mario Mandzukic. Into the last 10 minutes now as Jesus Navas warms up.

Plenty of huff and puff

Manchester United have had 12 shots to PSV's four, are bossing possession and territory. But in the stat that counts, they are still behind. 

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Joe Tren: All the other European giants winning with clean sheets...No English teams winning or playing particularly well.

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Vincent Kompany took his place on the bench as per a normal substitution, so perhaps the big man isn't injured after all? That is good news - but also a big call for Manuel Pellegrini.

Thirteen minutes remaining at City. 

Samir Nasri is away after great play from Fernandinho, Kevin De Brune is on down the left but Nasri gives it away cheaply. Such a frustrating player at times.

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Pat Nevin

BBC Radio 5 live at the Etihad Stadium

"Vincent Kompany has been caught square once or twice but it has to be an injury. Why else would you take him off? Surley Manuel Pellegrini's not annoyed about the goal they conceded?

"I still think it's unlikely we'll see Sergio Aguero come on too but right now you have to think about it. Wilfried Bony has had enough of an effect in this game."

SUBSTITUTION - Kompany off

This must be an injury?

Vincent Kompany trudges off as a marvellously bearded Nicolas Otamendi comes on for his debut. 

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Memphis Depay and Anthony Martial have linked up really nicely at times tonight and the Dutchman is nearly in again against his old club. Last man clears his lines though.

Still 22 minutes of normal time left in Eindhoven, where the second half kicked off late. 

Pat Nevin

BBC Radio 5 live at the Etihad Stadium

"Mario Mandzukic is onside, his run is perfectly timed and it's a brilliant pass from Paul Pogba. What a ball. He put it on a plate for him. 

"Mandzukic had been really quiet up until now. Against the run of play for the second half, Juventus equalise." 

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SUBSTITUTION

That sets us up nicely for the final 20 minutes. City switch one record signing with another as Kevin De Bruyne replaces Raheem Sterling. Sterling should have scored at least once tonight. 

GOAL - Man City 1-1 Juventus

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What. A. Cross!

Paul Pogba looks up to whip in a wonderful, wonderful ball from the left, Mario Mandzukic only has to make a slight touch and he does to guide it on to the post and in. 

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Josh Hammond: Mata, what are you doing?! HIT IT FIRST TIME, SON!

James Foster: Rojo's just not good enough. Darmian also uncharacteristically sloppy in this game.      

Andrew Morris: That's what happens when you don't take your chances. Manchester United haven't been clinical enough & are being punished.

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CLOSE!

Manchester United will wonder just how they trail in Eindhoven. Bastian Schweinsteiger unlocks the PSV defence with a lovely floated pass over the top, Juan Mata is onside but takes his eye off it as he assesses his options in the middle and the ball skips away under his studs. Take that down and it's goal time. 

It is very surprising that Vincent Kompany wasn't penalised before that goal. City fans won't care. A win here would make a great start to their campaign. 

Elsehwhere in Europe

Cristiano Ronaldo has just taken his Champions League tally to a record 79 with his second penalty against Shakhtar Donetsk after left-back Marcio Azevedo was deemed to have handled the ball.

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Ryan D'Souza:  Kompany may as well have piggy-backed on Chiellini.

JavelBleach:  Astonishing home reffing! The same ref should be made to make amends in the return game.

Mike Newton Ellis:  Karma, Juventus. Remember Celtic?

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GOAL - PSV 2-1 Man Utd

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PSV lead! An excellently-taken goal too. Andres Guardado starts it with a ball down the left for Maxime Lestienne to chase, he whips in a terrific cross on the run, Marcos Rojo gets under the ball and Luciano Narsingh stoops to head powerfully into the net.

Not turning into a great night for United. 

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Pat Nevin

BBC Radio 5 live at the Etihad Stadium

"I'm not one to hold grudges but I can remember Juventus playing at Celtic Park a few years ago and they got away with the most terrible fouling, time after time, after time.

"There will be a few wry smiles from Celtic fans about that Manchester City goal. The good chances are building up for the home side."

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GREAT SAVE!

Wilfried Bony gets a shot away on the stretch before Juventus counter well. Alvaro Morata's backheel keeps the ball in play, Stefano Sturaro gets a shot away but Joe Hart makes a big save!

Pat Nevin

BBC Radio 5 live at the Etihad Stadium

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"Giorgio Chiellini felt Vincent Kompany was climbing all over him.

"I said earlier the referee had been lenient..."

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Memphis Depay looking the business in Eindhoven, this time playing a nice one-two with Anthony Martial, but his firmly struck shot is saved easily by goalkeeper Jeroen Zoet. 

GREAT SAVE!

Raheem Sterling is denied again! But again, he should have scored. A £49m forward has to put these away.

Wonderful play from Wilfried Bony to step over the ball and allow David Silva away, he tees up Raheem Sterling on the left and again his shot is tame and easy for Gigi Buffon to claw away. Buffon is then up quickly to save Silva's follow-up too. 

Elsewhere in Europe

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Borussia Monchengladbach have made their return to Europe's top competition after a 37 year absence but they have gone behind against Sevilla after a Kevin Gameiro penalty following Yann Sommer's foul on Vitolo.

Meanwhile, Real Madrid's night looks to have got a little easier. Shakhtar Donetsk midfielder Taras Stepanenko was sent off for picking up two bookings before Cristiano Ronaldo's penalty puts the Spaniards 2-0 up after a controversial decision by the referee. He gave the spot-kick after a Ronaldo shot appeared to hit Darijo Srna on the back rather than his arm.

That's Ronaldo's 78th Champions League goal and puts him one ahead of Lionel Messi.

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GOAL - Man City 1-0 Juventus

Manchester City lead! And they have a double dose of fortune.

David Silva's corner from the left is headed into his own net by Juventus defender Giorgio Chiellini, with Vincent Kompany towering above him.

Kompany had his arms all over the Italian centre-back. Nine times out of 10 that's a foul. 

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Manchester United beginning the second half firmly in control, with their midfield bossing the ball. But apart from the odd flurry of brilliance from Memphis Depay, or Chris Smalling's careering run through, they have created little. 

Yaya Toure has been quiet tonight, and it is a night when Manchester City need their big players to step it up. A very slow and dull opening seven minutes to this half. 

KICK-OFF

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Back in play at Eindhoven.

'A tactical battle' is how you may describe this game. The home crowd are growing frustrated. 

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Pat Nevin

BBC Radio 5 live at the Etihad Stadium

"We were talking before kick-off about how much Manchester City have tightened up at the back, and tonight they're playing against Juventus - famous for having had, for years, one of the best defences in football. 

"Hardly surprising then, that the score is 0-0."

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Class act

A huge ovation as Sergio Aguero is out to warm up for Manchester City. His availability is a huge boost for City. Can they find a way through? Or is 0-0 a decent result?

KICK-OFF

Under way again at a quiet Etihad. 

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A 20-year itch?

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Support for Shaw

Manchester United full-back Luke Shaw was taken off on a stretcher with a  suspected broken leg  in his side's match at PSV Eindhoven. 

The 1% vote

It is not just at the football stadiums of Europe that we are having some top-class drama this evening.

Our vote has now finished. We asked which English team will go the furthest in the Champions League this season. Well, 32% of you went with Man City, 31% with Man Utd.

There was 21% of the vote for Arsenal and Chelsea, poor Chelsea. Well, they came home fourth with 16%. Don't they know how well Jose does in his third season at a club?

Manchester on top in terms of possession and territory, but the scores are level. 

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Seaguuuuulllsss!

As it stands, Brighton are going five points clear at the top of the Championship. Big.

Follow the latest updates here.

How long until we see some substitutions from Manuel Pellegrini. De Bruyne and Aguero both sat on the bench this evening. 

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Support for Shaw

Manchester United full-back Luke Shaw was taken off on a stretcher with a suspected broken leg in his side's match at PSV Eindhoven.  

HALF-TIME

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All square at the interval.

The huge talking point - if you are just tuning in - is a suspected broken leg for left-back Luke Shaw.

Manchester United can rightfully say that they deserve to be ahead at the break. Memphis Depay and then Ashley Young put two very good balls across the area, just crying out for a touch. 

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'Juve no mugs'

Phil McNulty

BBC Sport chief football writer

"Juventus are showing all their know-how here. Manchester City have had a couple of opportunities but last season's Champions League finalists fall firmly into the "no mugs" category. Chances will be at a premium here and City will have to be much more clinical when they come along."

Half-time stats

Manchester City will be pleased to be passing Juventus, last year's Champions League finalists, off the park. But they need to sharpen their finishing.

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Matthew Penistone:  In injury time at the end of the half. It had to be Moreno who scored didn't it. That is football for you!  

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INJURY TIME

There are EIGHT MINUTES added on in Eindhoven, Going the distance. 

Pat Nevin

BBC Radio 5 live at the Etihad Stadium

"A goalless draw isn't a result that would totally devastate Manchester City but they really will want to win their home games. It's certainly the correct score so far. It's been like a game of chess. 

"I think Manuel Pellegrini will be desperate to get his players in at half-time to make them understand how important a victory would be in helping them get out of the group. City have to attack more."

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GOAL - PSV 1-1 Man Utd

Against the run of play, PSV get back into it! Hector Moreno - the man whose challenge ended Luke Shaw's night - heads in a corner via the head of Daley Blind.

Scrappy, but PSV won't care.

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HALF-TIME

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Elsewhere in Europe

Julian Draxler puts Wolfsburg in front against CSKA Moscow. His initial header was saved by Igor Akinfeev but the attacking midfielder reacted first to put away the rebound.

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Sympathy for Shaw

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John Dunthorne:  Sterling looks out of his depth, and Bony too. City just do not do Europe, lack of confidence?

Tom Miszkowski:  What a piece of skill from Memphis.

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GREAT SAVE!

Just call him Franz!

Chris 'Mike' Smalling sets off on a crazy run after picking Maxime Lestienne's pocket on halfway. On he goes, and still, and still! Beats the last man with a little turn, drills in the left-footed shot and Jeroen Zoet beats it clear.

What a goal that would have been!

Heat maps

Aleksandar Kolarov is running riot down the left for Manchester City - meaning Juventus winger Juan Cuadrado is being pressed back and struggling to make an impact in the final third. The graphic below shows Kolarov's movements (left) and Cuadrado's.

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CLOSE!

He's on it now! Memphis Depay fires early and hard again, right across the face of goal. 

Conor McNamara

BBC Radio 5 live at the Philips Stadion

"Memphis Depay showed lovely movement in the penalty area, such quick feet to nip in between two defenders. It's a brilliant goal, and he did celebrate it - against the club he left just months ago."

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CLOSE!

Fernandinho almost opens the scoring for Manchester City with a rasping shot from just outside the area. He put his laces through that.

GOAL - PSV 0-1 Man Utd

This boy can play! In the Champions League anyway!

Another brilliant European goal from Memphis Depay. Daley Blind plays it into him on the left of the penalty area, he has so much to do but does it superbly. He glides in between two challenges with ease, gets the ball onto his left foot and slots into the corner.

A wonderful goal against his former employers.

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CLOSE!

Close! Juan Mata's delivery from the right is wonderful and Anthony Martial gets into space - but he heads wide after Jeffrey Bruma recovers well to put him under pressure at the last minute. 

CITY STAT

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Pat Nevin

BBC Radio 5 live at the Etihad Stadium

"I'm going to try and be kind to Wilfried Bony but I really can't be. 

"That is dreadful. Absolutely dreadful. He's not just missed that, it was a good six yards wide. Awful. He must be trying too hard, with Sergio Aguero looking on from the bench."

CLOSE!

Wilfried Bony's Manchester City career in microcosm. A great touch  takes him past the Juventus defence, it's a great chance, just need some composure - he blasts the shot high and wide.

100% power, 0% accuracy. 

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Sympathy for Shaw

Elshewhere in Europe

Antoine Griezmann has scored twice in seven minutes to putAtletico Madridin command in Turkey. The French international diverted a Juanfran cross past keeper Fernando Muslera to score his first before tapping in after team-mate Diego Godin's header from a Koke cross.

Gareth Balehas gone off injured for Real Madridbut the La Liga side take the lead againstShakhtar Donetsk.The Ukraine side's keeper Andriy Pyatov drops a cross to leaveKarim Benzemawith a simple tap-in.

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It went under the radar in the midst of Luke Shaw's injury but should Manchester United have had a penalty for that incident?

I'd like to clear it up but we haven't seen a replay due to his injury.

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Adam, Edinburgh:  Absolutely, truly, unbelievably gutted for Luke Shaw. Real commitment and desire this season and it could all be over. Hope he's back ASAP.  

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Sympathy for Shaw

As is often the case when a game has a long stoppage, the fizz has fizzled out in Eindhoven. Time to regroup. 

Pat Nevin

BBC Radio 5 live at the Etihad Stadium

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"Juan Cuadrado's pace looks very impressive. But you get the feeling that at some point it'll be either Paul Pogba for Juventus or Yaya Toure for Manchester City who end up doing something brilliant to break the deadlock."

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The pictures of Luke Shaw's injury are really very concerning. We shouldn't speculate about the nature of his injury but put it this way, I wouldn't bank on him playing again for at least six months.

Conor McNamara

BBC Radio 5 live at the Philips Stadion

"We're going to have to have at least 10 minutes added on here. Eventually Luke Shaw was raised on to a trolley-stretcher, and there was warm applause as he was taken off the pitch.

"The game had been buzzing but it's flat now as the players try to re-find their rhythm."

CLOSE!

City zipping it around but still lacking a cutting edge. Left-back Aleksandar Kolarov gets a free-kick away but it curls just beyond the post. 

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Pass, pass, pass

Nobody can accuse Manchester City of not getting the ball down and passing it about. This is the move which ends in Wilfried Bony's blocked shot.

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Steven Taylor:  Luke Shaw has been amazing with Smalling this season. We just cannot go without bad injuries for a season. Gonna be a big miss.  

Richard:  He's been our best player all season and now he's injured. Can't believe Luke Shaw's luck.  

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SUBSTITUTION - Shaw off

After a long, long, long delay, Luke Shaw leaves the field on a stretcher. We will bring you news as soon as we have it but the England man is on the gas and air. A sporting round of applause from all four stands as Louis van Gaal comforts Shaw as he goes down the tunnel.

On comes Marcos Rojo

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Conor McNamara

BBC Radio 5 live at the Philips Stadion

"I've counted about nine different medical staff come on the pitch to attend to Luke Shaw. At first they brought a stretcher and then that was sent back with a new one more like a trolley coming on. There's been various bits of equipment coming out of silver cases, and the players are keeping warm knocking the ball around. 

"They've only shown the replay once on the screens here, and it does not look good at all for Shaw." 

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Luke Shaw is still down.This is undoubtedly serious now as the players resort to playing passes to each other to keep warm.

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He's here, he's there

Less than 20 minutes in and Paul Pogba has covered almost every part of the pitch. Point to prove?

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The potential severity of Luke Shaw's injury is illustrated by the fact that he is still having treatment. A long wait for the unfortunate left-back. 

Since that flurry of crowd backing City have indeed stepped it up. David Silva has got on the ball more, and that can only be a good thing for his side. A class act.

He links up with Raheem Sterling neatly on two or three occasions. Elusive. 

Phil McNulty

BBC Sport chief football writer

"Manchester City have never quite looked at home in the Champions League - and there seems to an extra layer of anxiety among their fans when Europe's elite such as Juventus come to town. It has already been in evidence here. Maybe just a little relaxtion required all round."

Conor McNamara

BBC Radio 5 live at the Philips Stadion

"Luke Shaw had made a brilliant run, he drove all in the way down the line towards the penalty area and was eventually hacked down.

"It doesn't look good for him at the moment. You could see it was bad from the reaction of both the Manchester United and PSV players as they called for the stretcher."

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Juve showing their pedigree and class now, keeping the ball well and frustrating City. The home fans try and drive their side on. Wilfried Bony links up well with David Silva and has a shot cleared away. That's better. 

Luke Shaw has started the season well and this is a brilliant run, he glides past two men and gets a shot away. The challenge comes in from Hector Moreno and catches Shaw - and the England man is in trouble.

A stretcher is called for. Shaw in pain.

Here's Angel Di Maria's goal in graphic form...

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Pat Nevin

BBC Radio 5 live at the Etihad Stadium

"I'm not sure Paul Pogba was offside - he was trying to hold back. 

"The ruling is though, that Mario Mandzukic has had an effect on Joe Hart, so the decision is correct. Really impressive start from Pogba. He's gliding through the pitch right now, he's run away from Yaya Toure two or three times already." 

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Ooooh a big call!

Juventus have the ball in the net as Paul Pogba stoops to head home Juan Cuadrado's cross. But the flag is raised.

Pogba was clearly ONSIDE but Alvaro Morata was offside in the middle. He went for the ball too, I think that's the right call.

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No sign of the earth moving for Manchester United in Eindhoven yet. Anthony Martial has been busy though, using his pace and strength well at times.

He's clearly a better option up front than Marouane Fellaini...

Earthquake in Zagreb?

You can listen to updates from that game on BBC Radio 5 live tomorrow evening - the main commentary game will be Chelsea v Maccabi Tel Aviv.

Elsewhere in Europe

It has taken four minutes for the first goal of the Champions League group stages to be scored and Paris St-Germain's Angel Di Maria has got it. The Argentine winger races past defender Yoshimar Yotun before producing a clinical finish into the far corner. That's Di Maria's first club goal since he scored for Manchester United against Yeovil in January.  

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Look who's in town

City's chairman is making a rare appearance in the stands tonight.

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Pat Nevin

BBC Radio 5 live at the Etihad Stadium

"Juan Cuadrado has made a brilliant start down Juventus' right wing. The lad is running with pure confidence. He looks nothing like the player we saw at Chelsea."

Is it too early to say Raheem Sterling (number 7) appears to be a little isolated?

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Juventus grasping a bit of control back after a frantic start, they look very open every time City come at them though. No holding player in that midfield. 

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Almost the opener! Easily done too as Memphis Depay is sprung over the top, at real pace down the left. Depay looks up and fires in a low cross, Anthony Martial gets across his man at the near post but can only get a toe on the ball, and it's straight at Jeroen Zoet in the PSV goal.

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Chris Smalling, captain of United tonight, is forceful to win the ball easily and play it back to David De Gea. United bossing the early possession. 

Pat Nevin

BBC Radio 5 live at the Etihad Stadium

"Super save by Gianluigi Buffon. Manchester City broke through with such ease through midfield. That will be a bit of a worry for Juventus. They were cut to shreds.

"City have started with Samir Nasri on the right and Raheem Sterling on the left. That means Nasri is up against Evra - for now. Because that may adapt. Sterling's pace could be useful on Evra. 

"And another thing - Paul Pogba and Yaya Toure are matching up in midfield - that really should be fun."

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GREAT SAVE!

City should score!

They win the ball back easily in midfield and Juventus are in real trouble. City have men over, Yaya Toure releases Raheem Sterling on the left of the box. His first-time shot is not the best though and Gigi Buffon saves with his feet.

Good save, but not a great strike. 

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Anthony Martial's first involvement is a defensive one as he hares across to harry his man and win it back. Dirk Kuyt-esque. 

Man in the middle

Tonight's referee, Damir Skomina, reportedly had a red-faced moment a few years ago when his home address appeared on a forum after he asked an Albanian hotel if they had found the Fifa tracksuit he had left in his room...

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KICK-OFF

Paul Pogba offers a prayer as we get under way in Manchester.

KICK-OFF

Under way in Eindhoven...

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Manchester United strikers past and (possibly) future in the stands as James Wilson sits a row behind Ruud van Nistelrooy. United in a black and neon red/pink number tonight.

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Freddy Harper-Davis:  Because we havent got the depth unless someone has an incredibly lucky run like Chelsea in 2012, Arsenal most likely to.

Andrew Griffin:  Because Chelsea are playing badly.

Kuntal Majumdar:  Because Platini said so.

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Joe Hart is City's Mr. motivator, minus the spandex. He's barking out orders, encouragement and appreciation to his team-mates behind him in the tunnel. Every City fan tonight has got a free scarf by the looks of it.

Juve skipper Gigi Buffon gives Hart a friendly slap on the back before shaking the officials by the hand. Legend.

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LINE-UPS

PSV : Zoet, Arias, Bruma, Moreno, Brenet, Narsingh, Propper, Hendrix, Guardado, Lestienne, de Jong. Subs: Pasveer, Pereiro, Schaars, Poulsen, Locadia, Vloet, De Wijs.

Man Utd : De Gea, Darmian, Smalling, Blind, Shaw, Schweinsteiger, Ander Herrera, Young, Mata, Depay, Martial. Subs: Romero, Rojo, Carrick, Valencia, Fellaini, Schneiderlin, McNair.

Referee : Nicola Rizzoli (Italy) 

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Man City: Hart, Sagna, Kompany, Mangala, Kolarov, Fernandinho, Toure, Silva, Sterling, Nasri, Bony. Subs: Caballero, Fernando, Aguero, Jesus Navas, De Bruyne, Demichelis, Otamendi.

Juventus: Buffon, Lichtsteiner, Bonucci, Chiellini, Evra, Cuadrado, Pogba, Hernanes, Sturaro, Morata, Mandzukic. Subs: Neto, Zaza, Alex Sandro, Barzagli, Lemina, Dybala, Pereyra.

Referee: Damir Skomina (Slovenia)

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Barcelona's front three does make them hard to look past for the Champions League doesn't it? No team has ever retained the trophy...

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Victor Madhow:  Because they don't have a Ronaldo/Bale/Benzema or Neymar/Suarez/Messi strike force that can hit a total of 60-80 goals per season.

Hon.UgopeterUche : Because the authorities have blatantly refused to introduce a winter break.  

Jay:  Because Mourinho's got the blues.

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One thing Manchester City have learned in the Champions League is that you just can't play two central midfielders.

Interestingly, it looks like Juventus are doing exactly that tonight. Bold?

A better time...?

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Tino Asprillia. Bring him back Tommy...

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Manjeet:  An English club will not win the Champions League this season, because Leicester City have not qualified.  

Tommy B, London:  Because Tino Asprilla doesn't play for Newcastle any more. And Newcastle aren't in the Champions League. 

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Home fortunes?

With this year's final being hosted in Milan's San Siro, Juventus may have some added enthusiasm to go all the way and make history.

Only two teams have ever won the Champions League on home soil: Borussia Dortmund (1997, final in Munich) and Juventus themselves (1996, final in Rome), while Manchester United lost the 2011 final in London and 12 months later Bayern were beaten in the showpiece in their own stadium.

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'City finally solid at the back'

Pat Nevin

BBC Radio 5 live at the Etihad Stadium

"You notice teams that don’t have pace in Europe. They will only get so far. I think Raheem Sterling will make a massive difference when he turns on the afterburners in his career at Manchester City.

"But what’s been most noticeable is City's lack of tinkering at the back this season. You tend to win championships and trophies when you don’t give goals away and they look really strong there."

Twenty minutes to go until kick-off, we've all missed the Champions League haven't we?

I know I have. Manchester United's front four looks more mobile tonight with Anthony Martial up there. Can that bring out the best in Memphis Depay?

Battle of the new boys

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Will Kevin de Bruyne and Anthony Martial star for their respective Manchester clubs this evening? We should find out soon enough.

Martial starts, while Kev is on the bench again. Here's how they fared as subs at the weekend.

You can see more lovely graphics of the weekend's action here.

It could be like a sea of mint humbugs in the away end tonight...

Is letting Paul Pogba go Sir Alex Ferguson's biggest mistake at Old Trafford? He didn't make many...

Yaya v Pogba - who wins?

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Over on BBC Radio 5 live, host Mark Chapman and Pat Nevin have been grilling Italian football journalist Gabriele Marcotti on Juventus' plans for tonight. 

Marcotti: "It's quite an attacking line up. I think they looked at it as a game in which they could afford to gamble. If they sat back and played for draw, they'd lose. Maybe they thought: Let’s unleash Juan Cuadrado on the break and see how Bacary Sagna likes it.

Nevin: "And who wins in the physical battle between Yaya Toure and Paul Pogba tonight?" 

Marcotti: "It’ll be a tremendous battle. Yaya is probably stronger, while Pogba is more dynamic, I mean he's 10 years younger. It will be one of many fascinating subtexts this evening."

Too expensive, even for City?

Phil McNulty

BBC Sport chief football writer

"One of world football's hottest properties is currently going through his warm-up at Etihad Stadium.

"Juventus midfield man Paul Pogba, who was allowed to escape from Manchester United, attracted Manchester City's attention in the summer but a £70m price tag, plus the 22-year-old personal demands, made the deal too rich for even their Abu Dhabi-based owners...and every other elite club it appears."

How's stat?!

The danger man

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Real Madrid are likely to be in the mix for an 11th Champions league title come May, but they could face a tricky customer tonight.

Shakhtar Donetsk striker Alex Teixeira has scored nine goals in seven appearances this season.

Tale of the tape

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City still very much 'New Kids On The Block' when it comes to the Champions League.

Can they hang tough? Kick-off just half an hour away.

Welsh forward Gareth Bale says he feels "more involved" at Real Madrid as the 10-time European Cup winners take on Shakhtar Donetsk.

Bale was criticised in a trophyless second season at the club after making a record £85m move to Real in 2013.

But he is more content now he is playing centrally, having scored twice and added three assists this season.

"I feel like I am more involved this year now," Bale, 26, said.

"The first year you are running off adrenalin from having just signed - you are so happy to be at the club and that drives you on.

"But in the second year I felt a little bit left out wide and not getting so much of the ball but now I feel involved in the play and I think that is showing in the games - that I am able to assist goals and score goals."

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Phil McNulty

BBC Sport chief football writer

"Raheem Sterling gets what he wanted when he decided to leave Liverpool as he makes his first Champions League start for Manchester City against Juventus.

"The £49m forward did, of course, have Champions League football at Liverpool last season, but was part of a bitterly disappointing campaign that never even made it out of the group stage. It was also a personal disappointment for Sterling, particularly when he failed to make manager Brendan Rodgers' experimental starting line-up against Real Madrid in The Bernabeu.

"Sterling and City will be looking for improved Champions League fortunes this season after failing to make the impact their heavy expenditure warrants so far."

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Rocket Ronnie

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'Is England just an outpost on the edges?'

Pat Nevin

BBC Radio 5 live at the Etihad Stadium

"The real question behind a lot of talk about the sides likely to win the Champions League this year is: Is England just a small outpost on the edge of Europe? Getting even an English finalist seems a long distance away right now.

"Obviously it’s not just an outpost and the domestic league itself is incredibly exciting, but are English teams getting closer in Europe? I’m not convinced."

Elesewhere in Europe...

Tonight Zlatan Ibrahimovic goes up against his former club Malmo of Sweden for the first time in his career. 

The Paris St-Germain striker has tweeted this photo from the Parc des Princes dressing room...

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Zohan:  Because there are at least two vastly superior clubs in Europe.

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Win your home games

The old adage in the Champions League group stage is, win your home games and you'll be pretty much there.

However, City won just one of their four home fixtures last season – against Bayern Munich last November – and have only three wins from their last 11.

Problems there.

Busy night of Championship action

It is busy times in the Championship tonight with 10 games taking place. 

For most teams, it is their seventh game of the season and the table is slowly starting to take shape. Brighton, the surprising early pacesetters, host bottom-of-the-table Rotherham while Middlesbrough meet Brentford in a repeat of last year's play-off semi-final.

We've got dedicated live text commentary here on the action covering all the goals as they go in, and you can also get the latest scores online via Final Score.

Sergio inclusion 'unexpected'

Manchester City manager Manuel Pellegrini, speaking to BT Sport:  "It's the first game of the group, it's important to qualify like we did in the last two seasons. It's a good game at home against the strongest team in the group.

"Sergio (Aguero) is not 100% fit. It has been an unexpected good recovery. It's important for the team to see that if we need him, he can play."

Striker crisis?

Between them this summer Manchester City and Manchester United offloaded the following strikers and attacking players:

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Robin van Persie would probably have started tonight...

Edin Dzeko, Radamel Falcao, John Guidetti, Robin van Persie, Nani, Javier Hernandez, Marcos Lopes, Adnan Januzaj, Angel Di Maria and Stevan Jovetic.

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...as may Javier Hernandez...

Five games into the season, both clubs have one fit, proven, first-team striker available.

Madness!

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...while Edin Dzeko would have done a job for City. All sold!

'I had no choice'

It's fantastic to be here again. Anthony Martial scored a goal, but Wayne Rooney is injured and Marouane Fellaini is a little bit ill so I didn't have any other choice. He had to play.

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A real confidence booster...

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'Man Utd need good start'

Pat Nevin

BBC Radio 5 live at the Etihad Stadium

"I certainly think Manchester United are good enough to get through their group without too much difficulty but they do need a good start tonight.

"And looking at the team selection, it’s clear that Louis van Gaal thinks they can go out and win against PSV Eindhoven tonight.'

Team news

Manchester United

Anthony Martial's wonder goal against Liverpool on Saturday is good enough to earn his full Manchester United debut following his £36m move from Monaco. Ashley Young also starts as Michael Carrick makes way. Ander Herrera moves back alongside Bastian Schweinsteiger. 

PSV are unchanged following their 6-0 win over Cambuur last weekend. That includes striker Luuk De Jong, who scored a hat-trick in that game, former Chelsea defender Jeffrey Bruma and the wonderfully named midfielder, Jorrit Hendrix. 

Man Utd XI: De Gea; Darmian, Smalling, Blind, Shaw; Schweinsteiger, Herrera; Young, Mata, Memphis; Martial.

PSV XI: Zoet, Arias, Bruma, Moreno, Brenet; Hendrix, Guardado, Propper; Lestienne, De Jong, Narsingh.  

Back home

Manchester United have their own scout in the side tonight as Memphis Depay returns to the club he left in the summer.

Depay scored 22 Eredivisie goals last season as PSV won the league. The Dutch side are 12 games unbeaten but have lost seven of their last nine Champions League games.

Team news - Man City v Juventus

Manchester City

So, two changes for Manchester City - the small matter of Raheem Sterling and David Silva returning to the forward line in place of Jesus Navas and Sergio Aguero. The latter is only fit enough for a place on the bench.

Yep, the bench that's got more than £157m worth of talent on it.

Juventus make six changes, with ex-Manchester United duo Paul Pogba and Patrice Evra joining on-loan Chelsea winger Juan Cuadrado in the starting XI.

Man City: Hart, Sagna, Kompany, Mangala, Kolarov, Silva, Fernandino, Toure, Nasri, Bony, Sterling. Subs: Caballero, Otamendi, Demichelis, Fernando, Navas, De Bruyne, Aguero.

Juventus: Buffon, Lichtsteiner, Bonucci, Chiellini, Evra, Sturaro, Hernanes, Pogba, Cuadrado, Mandzukic, Morata. Subs: Neto, Barzagli, Alex Sandro, Lemina, Pereyra, Zaza, Dybala.

Coming up on BBC Radio

BBC Radio 5 Live

Cycle through the Live Coverage tab at the top of this page and you can listen to build-up to tonight's Champions League fixtures on BBC Radio 5 live.

Later you can listen to full match commentary of the 19:45 BST kick-off between Manchester City and Juventus. 

And there'll also be updates from Manchester United's away tie with PSV Eindhoven, plus the eight games taking place in the Championship tonight. 

Elsewhere in Europe...

It's a big night in Spain where Sevilla, on the back of winning the Europa League, return to the Champions League. They will host  Borussia Monchengladbach, who last featured in the competition in 1978.

Paris St-Germain will face Celtic's conquerors Malmo in the French capital while Kazakh new boys FC Astana make their group stage debut in Benfica's historic Stadium of Light.

How much for the privilege of watching Manchester City's Uefa Cup first round first leg at home to Juventus back in 1976? 

£1.40.

City won the first leg 1-0 by they way - Brian Kidd got the goal. 

But they lost the return match in Turin 2-0, and Juve went on to win the competition that year.

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Can Chelsea repeat their success of 2012?

There are worse ways to spend an afternoon...

Group stage, group stage, last 16, last 16.

It's been a story of incremental gains in the Champions League for Manchester City in their four seasons in the big cup.

Can they now make a giant leap to compete - properly - with the big boys from La Liga and the Bundesliga?

'City are adaptable'

Pat Nevin

BBC Radio 5 live at the Etihad Stadium

"With the Manchester City team selection I think manager Manuel Pellegrini is probably trying to second guess what kind of system Juventus are going to play.

"The players he's chosen have done well for him so far, and they've all got the ability to adapt and change things if necessary.

"But the biggest positive about City's form for me this season? Yaya Toure and Vincent Kompany are back."

As City gear up for their Italian test, rivals Manchester United are in the Netherlands for their first Champions League game since a quarter-final defeat to Bayern in April 2014.

Missing out at all last season is set to cost the club £35m - or a teenage striker.

And it's a big night for Anthony Martial. who starts tonight after his stunning cameo at the weekend. Operation: Hit Fellaini has not been deployed on European soil.

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It's a long way to the top...

BreakingTeam News

The breaking team news is in - Anthony Martial starts for Manchester United, while David Silva and Raheem Sterling are in the City team.

Sergio Aguero is on the bench.

Turin Brakes

While Manchester City fans have seen their side get off to a flier, and enjoyed the arrivals of Kevin de Bruyne and Raheem Sterling, it's been a somewhat slower start to the season for Juventus fans.

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Replacing Tevez's goals and influence is a tough ask.

First, a troubling transfer window which has left the club in need of some serious remodelling.

Out have gone key players Carlos Tevez (Boca), Andrea Pirlo (New York City) and Arturo Vidal (Bayern Munich). Arguably Juve's three best players.

In have come the experienced Sami Khedira and Mario Mandzukic and the exciting Paulo Dybala, but like any Old Lady undergoing major work, the cracks are showing.

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While Pirlo just does not give the ball away...

Juve are 16th in Serie A with one point from their first three games. Ouch.

As early season testers go, a visit from last year's beaten finalists will do just nicely.

Juventus are in town keen to kickstart their own struggling campaign...

'No excuses'

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Five wins out five, without conceding a goal.

Two £50m signings to strengthen an already potent attack.

A new stand, and a bigger crowd.

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Just the £100m + in new attacking talent

It's no wonder that Manchester City captain Vincent Kompany said yesterday that "We have to be better. It cannot be what it was in the previous years."

Is this the year City take a stride forwards in the Champions League?Tonight may well prove an early barometer...